Sunday, September 20, 2009

This Cartoon Seemed Far-Fetched In 1948

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Kingland said...

The "ISM" juice actually does what it says --it reveals the truth about whatever your "ism" inclination is, which is that all "isms" are false. This drug, were it to really exist, would be the most prized product on the planet! Notice the irony of the great big blue government hand preventing the laborer from unionizing, while simultaneously preventing the capitalist from owning anything! Wow! Talk about an enlightening elixir? One might almost call it ... LSD!

ljrstras said...

I guess I'm just not understanding quite a few of the folks who wrote comments about this "CARTOON". It seems very obvious to me that the message isn't who's in political power, but rather political power itself. If we don't wake up and realize that this Country stands for individual freedoms without the control by our political leadership, we will loose much if not all that has been fought for since the revolution. Some these comments I've read are simply trying to lay blame for a predicament that no one but ourselves is to blame. We are lazy American people and seem to increasingly looking for the easy way out and being content to have somebody else be responsible for our every action. I really think the point to the entire cartoon was to wake people up and promote free thinking again. It shure seems like were heading toward the "Snake Oil sales pitch". But this could be just a coincidence.

Bob said...

@ljrstras,

I agree. I exercised my free thinking by studying the candidates and by choosing the candidate that best matched my ideals. I continue to exercise my free thinking by continuing to follow the actions of the president and making sure that he continues to live up to these ideals.

When he pushes for something I disagree with, I let it be heard. When he pushes for something I agree with, I let it be heard.

He is our public servant whom we voted in to serve us. So far, he has been doing a pretty good job, in my humble opinion.

approvedworkman said...

Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there a thing of which it is said, "See, this is new"? It has been already in the ages before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things, nor will there be any remembrance of later things yet to be among those who come after.

kendelmar said...

What is "Amazing" to me is that in all these posts about a cartoon that is over 60 years old, that no one has mentioned the BIGGEST PROBLEM that we face ! The War in Iraq !!! Remember who put us over there ??? Yes, our fearless leader Bush who never spent one day of his life looking down the barrel of an M16 pointed at a so called threat to our " freedom ". I can
only imagine that he was too busy
learning a new cheer back at Yale
when we were invading Viet Nam.
At least the senior Bush knew to get the hell out of the Middle East
because it was a no brainer NOT TO fight a war with Iraq. The ONLY Reason we went into Kuwait was because it was a great opportunity
for " Capitalist Pigs " like Dick
Cheney/Halliburton and other selected contractors to extinguish
the oil well fires that Saddam had promised to set if we went into Kuwait! Millions of $$$$$$$ were
spent on putting out these fires !!
I did 13 months in Viet Nam in 1867-68. Did we not learn ANYTHING from that debacle ??? Oh
yeah, I know that War is great for
our economy ! It creates jobs for people to make war toys and then we
can rebuild whichever country we
happen to destroy in the process.
Well folks, that isn't happening over there! Just look at how many
people were killed this past weekend in downtown Baghdad, 155 !
Who cares, they were not Americans,
however they were human beings and 24 were children !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After nearly 8 years of this INSANITY, do you really think we should still be there in Iraq ???
If we had ALL THE BILLIONS of dollars wasted on this HUGE MISTAKE
we could have bailed out every
American taxpayer and we would have
a MUCH BETTER ECONOMIC POSITION than what we have now ! Will we ever realize that we are not the
World Police ? Let us take care of Our Country and quit pushing our
Control Policies on people who basically dislike us and our so
called Capitalistic Values. Don't
get me wrong, I LOVE AMERICA. it is
the government that I really DO NOT
TRUST ! It really doesn't matter if you are a Republican or Democrat, that is part of our Freedom of Choice, HOWEVER.
This war in Iraq is the DOWNFALL OF OUR COUNTRY ! WAKE UP
AMERICA ! We need to get our priorities in order ! Yes, we need
to eliminate Osama bin Laden, but
I really don't think he is hiding out in Baghdad. By now , he is
probably living in luxury in Florida. Of the 19 hijackers
involved with the 9/11 attack, how
many of them were born in Iraq ???
This may come as a surprise to some of you, but almost every one
of them was born in Saudi Arabia !~
Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia
instead of Iraq ??? Oh, right, I
forgot they are the Good Guys that sell us our OIL !!!!!!!!!!
Our country will not recover until
we get the hell out of IRAQ .
Remember those famous words of the
cheerleader Bush spoken on the deck of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln, a real President by the way, on May 1, 2003. "Mission Accomplished " . WAKE UP AMERICA !

kendelmar said...

Typo on my Viet Nam time. 1967-68.

joemama said...

I love all the fear mongering and scare tactics from the cartoon and many of the posts here.

Gov't run healthcare has been proven to work better and cost less in over 30 other countries.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

The public option is not a government takeover of healthcare. It's another option for people who are having trouble getting insured. Like those with pre-existing condition.

You can try and throw scary "ism" labels at things instead of rationally discussing them but that isn't honest. You would have to throw those same labels at our other institutions that share that "ism" like Fire and Police departments, our military and post office, and our public universities and schools.

Having a government option for your health insurance doesn't take away your freedom. It gives you more freedom and choices. It certainly improves the freedom of the millions of people that don't have healthcare now.

The real problem with our government is that it's infested with corporate interests and Wall St. agendas now. We've let corporate money buy just about anything they want passed at the expense of the people. Including the health insurance money currently lobbying against healthcare reform.

RedRiverD said...

I think it was said best in a movie which stated that;" it was up to those who had the ability to take responsibility to stand up and do what was right, even if, at the time, it was "wrong"!

Gunnison Valley Futures Secretary said...

Bob, if God had wanted our earth populated with ostriches, he would have made all of us ostriches. If you think that Obama and the self professed communists, etc. that he surrounds himself with and his past associates with "radicals" who want to redistribute wealth in America are good for this country, you'd best stick your head in the sand. God gave us brains to think and reason. He allows us to choose what is right and wrong based on His teachings. Alot of people have made alot of very bad decisions in electing this man. Note his low approval ratings. over 15% of the people who voted for him now say they "disapprove" of how he is governing. Obama duped alot of idealistic "hopeful" people. Only GOD gives hope! Otherwise, on earth, HOPE is just an excuse to do NOTHING. Obama is doing nothing in the best interest of this nation. Wake up, man. Or, just put that head into the sand and HOPE we don't all wake up one day our sovereignty is gone! When I was a child I was an idealist...now, I am a realist!

Bob said...

@Gunnison Valley Futures Secretary,

It sure is a good thing that my vote cancels out your vote.

God bless democracy.

walter said...

The only way to pay the national debt I am sorry to say is for the fed to take over all private property and sell it to our creditors. We have now gone beyond the point of no return. wish you all good luck I old enough will not have to see too much of it.

Bob said...

@walter,

Such optimism and compassion. Maybe you should run for President. Of course, I'd leave out the doom and gloom... that rarely gets votes.

Joe said...

It's hilarious how each side (each "ism") is so quick to judge as evil the "other side". Capitalism, socialism, communism, and , yes, even conservatism and patriotism are all "isms". Too many of the posters here have failed to get the message of the film. Partisan politics is being used by the real villains as a means to divide and conquer us all, yet we Americans just keep on getting riled up by our favorite ideology.

"Question Authority" - always.

daisy said...

what is in ISM??? and was there really an ISM or was this video shown just to show that freedom is the best thing we have and that we should never give it up? is this ISM a type of drug???

Nancy Jo said...

for all of you still arguing party affiliation, watch The Obama Deception on youtube (don’t worry they talk about Bush too).
it is not about black or white, democrat or republican, muslim, jew or christian, it is about a totalitarian government (listen to the news talking about a Global Governance) that is trying to take over the world, and doing a damn good job of it. If we don't start to stand up and fight for our liberties NOW, as a people "We The People" we will fall to total tyranny and all our freedoms will be lost. Wake Up People, and I say that with much love in my heart. We need you on our side. Study the Constitution, The Bill of Rights, the Deceleration of Independence, all the things they DIDN’T teach you in school and claim your freedom… before it’s too late.

wpdkaye said...

A free nation or Obamanation...pass this cartoon on to as many as you can...maybe it will wake up a sleeping society and we will AGAIN stand up for our rights and freedom. The government HAS taken over the banks, the automobile industry, medicine and many of our freedoms...and we still sleep.

Nancy Jo said...

Bob,
this is not a democracy. the United States of America is a REPUBLIC. A democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

wdpkay,
One thing you have wrong, the government has NOT taken over the banks, the Banks have been taking over America since 1913. The Federal Reserve Bank, the World Bank and every other bank out there ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. The US borrows money from bankers and then has to pay it back with interest, there is NO WAY we will ever be out of debt UNLESS we END THE FED. Again, something they don't teach in schools. If any of you doubt that the Federal Reserve is NOT a government entity, look in the blue pages of the phone book, it's not there... although you might find it under Federal Express in the Yellow Pages.

Everyone, America is being destroyed by design. do some research or write me off as one of those crazy conspiracy nuts... but I ask you this first, for just a moment, consider... what if I am right?

Please stop fighting amongst yourselves, it is what they want, they want us distracted with party affiliation, and race and religion so we don't notice that they are enslaving us. PLEASE WAKE UP!!

Bob said...

@Nancy Jo,

C'mon, that's an old trick.

The democracy I was referring to was a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. You are correct that we are a constitutional republic. This doesn't negate the fact that we rely on a representative democracy.

Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people, as opposed to either autocracy or direct democracy.

This is exactly what the United States is... the only exception that makes it complicated is majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law.

Stating a one-liner like you did is akin to saying, "Humans are not animals, they are homosapiens." Both are true. We are members of the Animal Kingdom. We are most certainly not plants, for instance. Yet, those who view "animal" as being "lower life forms" might disagree. That's fine. It's just splitting hairs. It's just debating over semantics. That gets us nowhere.

Stinez said...

That’s an interesting look at the past.
And a good reminder to limit the inclusion of unneeded outside forces into industries they have no right controlling.





Like the healthcare insurance industry…

RickAHyatt said...

The real reason for all the high-pressure tactics to keep Obama's true mixed-race and true

birth certificate quelched is because he shares the same bio-father and I and other

"Manchurian Candidates" do. (On the white side)
Former Ministerium Fuer Staasscherheit (Stasi) Master Spy Markus Wolf (A master of false

documentation and crafted Legends) had Celiac's disease (He told me), a particular
gift for espionage operatives, and he used his resources to pick
women of the same genetics, in order to create proverbial "Manchurian
Candidates." That he had intended to run on a life-long operation of
the destruction of western capitalism by subversion from within. (See my website)
But I was used by US Agencies in the '70's to lure him to the West, where he was
"Turned," from the East, by placing me in US Army M.I. & sending me to
Germany. He became a "Consultant" for the US since, drawing out the enemy agenda in advance,

and drew up the Patriot Act, for example.
Every future Obamamania theme was preempted in advance by the CIA and the Bushes.
A lot of other spies were lured out, too.
Gen. Wolf was gifted in many things, to include applied psychology, and PSYOPS, (He designed

many of our anti-war songs - Peter, Paul & Mary...) but his medical expert for personal

terror and assassination was apparently a former Nazi SS Munthausen concentration camp

Doctor "Death," Aribert Heim.
But only now can I share my entire genetic "Espionage family" with the world:
http://www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com

"Telling the truth during times of universal deceit will be a
revolutionary act." George Orwell, "1984"

tylerjewell said...

I would say that proof of how much power the government has is how dependent we are on one man to take care of all our problems. I'm also marveling at the lack of understanding of how our monetary system works. Somebody go read Mises, Hayek, and Rothbard before you start talking about economics please. END THE FED! Please quit blaming capitalism.

Kayla said...

Amazing insight into what the greatest fears of those that drafted the Constitution for a free society and Country.
There are so many great comments down this list from many "Great Americans" most of which reflect personal beliefs for how America went wrong and who or which governing body is responsible for the current disemboweling of the greatest country on the planet.
However, perhaps we have all mislead for blaming the puppets for what is their only job...distracting the general population with rhetoric and other topics of mass hysteria such as {laboratory created) disease(s) [repeat after me...H1N1 AKA Swine Flu (from Mexico) ties in beautifully with the topic of illegal immigration; buzz, buzz, buzz].
While we are distracted and blown out by the Current Affairs, the real masters of deception and control are [and have been] choreographing the fate of this nation and the world economies well into the future...decades before you and I came into this world and planned out for decades after we return as dust back to this world.
Granted it is long and at times a little tough to stay focused through show, but well worth your time...watch the YouTube video (in segments if you must) and you may just realize that the "Country Politic" is a power game on the grandest of scales and we (the out-crying citizens) have all unknowingly volunteered to be mere pawns in the slaughter.
You know the adage: he who has the money makes all the rules! ...Follow The Money. Watch the video...The next question you will ask is how do we [Americans & Humanitarians] organize to dis-empower the puppet masters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Teri-Lynn said...

Bob, I think you need to rethink your position on what defines a Christian, because, obviously you don't get it. Even though I believe Obama is set on destroying this country, and he's the worst president since J. Carter, I don't resort to name-calling. Bush is a good man who did his level best to protect this country, regardless of the lies, the hatefulness and the outright cruelty he was subjected to. I'm proud that this country had such a caring man leading us through such a dark time. If Gore had won the white house, we probably would have lost a lot more than the ~3000 lives on 9-11. I don't believe our response would be as strong; I strongly believe Saddam would still be terrorizing his people; I believe Iran would already be firing nukes toward our borders; I believe our rail and air would be permanently grounded; and, most importantly, I believe my freedom to worship God, would be much closer to be suppressed than it already is. I love my God; I love my country; I love George W. Bush for all that he sacrificed; and I love and honor the troops who fight and die for my right to complain about those who don't understand or appreciate what is being so willingly given, regardless of their antagonistic and often hateful views.

Cleveland Sandy said...

RIGHT ON ESTHER

Respect the Office?

Respect the Man in the Office? No, I am sorry to say.

I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.

Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama !

I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it.

I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President !

I do not share Obama's vision or value system for America

I do not share his abortion beliefs

I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of redistributing wealth

I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August);

I do not share his view that America is Arrogant

I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation

I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%;

I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegals than our American Citizens who need help

I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage

I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend

and Israel is our enemy who should give up their land

I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public)

I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America

I do not share his strategic views of the Middle East

I certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran

Bottom line: my America is vastly different from Obama's, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my GOD to do what is Right

For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs

They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our country

They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant

They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years
They have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our country
They have made every effort to remove the name of GOD or Jesus Christ from our Society

They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code

They have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech
Unite behind Obama? Never !

I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil

PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers

Majority rules in America , and I will honor the concept; however I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and his "goals for America "

I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country ! Any more compromise is more defeat

I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-GOD crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America

"Error of Opinion may be tolerated where Reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson

GOD bless you and GOD bless our Country


"In GOD We Trust"

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

I WANT THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE BACK.....

In GOD We Trust

joemama said...

Sorry Cleveland Sandy, you may not share his views but the people who voted for him in a landslide obviously do.

Obama has actually not attacked the right to bear arms or free speech. He is also not anti god or marxist.

You make up a lot of stuff or there's some nutcase making up a lot of stuff that you're falling for.

Right now we're just trying to make sure everyone has access to healthcare. A truly Judeo Christian idea. As opposed to Bush who started a war in Iraq even though they posed no threat to us, decidedly not something Christ would do.

Not that christian or not christian has anything to do with running our country as the founders clearly declared it NOT founded on any particular religious belief.

Maybe you quit spewing hate and discuss things in some sort of ration non-fear mongering way?

Warren D said...

There was an earlier message by one who shared my first name.

In case any readers think it is I and that I share his beliefs, I don't.

President Bush did what we elected him to do. He led and he led when we needed him to lead. His second term was somewhat of a disappointment, but he still continued to lead, and now we have someone in office whose failure to lead is there for contrast.

We can certainly learn something from this video.

I saw this cartoon sometime in the 1950s in school. I remember the "Doakesmobile." I am grateful to be reminded of the rest of the message.

BJH said...

After reading all of the previous
comments, all I can ask is: Where were all of you nay-sayers the past 30 years?? I am 69 years old,
and after the Johnson Give Away
Programs, and the "do it if it feels good generation"; I realized
that all the liberals wanted was
the POWER (no matter how long it took) so they could CONTROL the people. I have written in editorials, screamed this, etc.
Now..are we there yet??? Be grateful that you are living in
this Country. If you think there
should be more give-aways, more
regulations by govt., then may I
suggest Canada, UK, or maybe Cuba?
It is time to unite as Patriots of
this Republic and fight the way
our Founding Father's fought to
save this Nation, and Our FREEDOMS.
Pray (no matter WHAT religion) for
Our Nation, and that we can all
come together for this common cause.
BJH

joemama said...

Actually Bush didn't do what we elected him to do. He ruined the economy with his tax cuts that weren't paid for and an unnecessary war in Iraq that wasn't paid for and also made us less safe. He assaulted our Constitution with warrantless wiretaps and gave the government the ability to hold US citizens indefinitely. He fooled a lot of you into all this with fear mongering. And for that Bush will go down as possibly the worst president in history. I believe he left with the lowest approval a president has had.

Now we have a real leader there for contrast.

joemama said...

Hey BJH, it's the conservatives that wanted the power to control the people as proven by Bush.

The public option isn't really a giveaway as they'll be a premium to pay. They won't be denying you coverage though for pre-existing conditions as private insurance does. That means more freedom for Americans.

Seeing as you are 69 years old I wonder if you are on medicare? If you are I suggest you drop that government health insurance immediately and move. I suggest Antarctica.

Bob said...

@Teri-Lynn,

Wow, that came completely out of left field. Are you speaking to another "Bob" or did you get the wrong person?

"I think you need to rethink your position on what defines a Christian" - I never "defined" a Christian to begin with, so I'm not sure why you think my position on Christianity is wrong.

"I don't resort to name-calling." - Are you implying that I resorted to name-calling? Please clarify.

"Bush is a good man who did his level best to protect this country" - I agree.

"If Gore had won the white house, we probably would have lost a lot more than the ~3000 lives on 9-11." - I disagree. I think we would have lost about the same number.

"I don't believe our response would be as strong" - I believe that is probably likely, though our "response" should be to get Bin Laden who was responsible for orchestrating the attacks. So far, we have still not stopped him. I'm not sure how you can get less "strong" than not stopping he who orchestrated it.

"I strongly believe Saddam would still be terrorizing his people" - Probably so.

"I believe Iran would already be firing nukes toward our borders" - I doubt that. Nobody is really doing much to slow down Iran, because they find ways around the "rules". At the same time, we're not exactly trying to help them move faster. So, Iran's rate of progress is limited only by Iran's capabilities, not by our capabilities.

"I believe my freedom to worship God, would be much closer to be suppressed than it already is." - I'd be interested in your sources regarding Gore's (I'm assuming you're still talking about Gore, here) interest in taking away freedom of religion.

"I love my God" - As do I.

"I love my country" - As do I.

"I love George W. Bush for all that he sacrificed" - We should all respect the amount of work he did while our public servant for eight years, and we should certainly love him as a "neighbor", whether we agree or disagree with his policies.

"I love and honor the troops who fight and die for my right to complain about those who don't understand or appreciate what is being so willingly given, regardless of their antagonistic and often hateful views." - I agree, though I wonder who's antagonistic and/or hateful views you are referring to here. Or, are you just referring to hate experienced outside of this particular thread?

Again, I'm not sure if you were meaning to direct your message toward someone else... or if there was some other "Bob" in this thread, but I'm not sure why you singled me out, judged me on several fronts, and preached to me about several things that I believe we already agree on.

In short, was it something I said?

joemama said...

Damn, Cleveland Sandy was thick with the misinformation. How about we go through this post with some thought.

All of you should try it.



Respect the Office?

Respect the Man in the Office? No, I am sorry to say.

I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.

Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama


Hey, I'll respect that. You might have to acknowledge that that many didn't respect it when we didn't agree with Bush though.



I do not share Obama's vision or value system for America

Minorities should have a voice. Tell what you think.

I do not share his abortion beliefs

What beliefs?

I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of redistributing wealth

Which you imagined? You made that up. What the hell?

I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August);

Link?

I do not share his view that America is Arrogant

Take it out of context, smack it, rub it down.

I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation

America is a secular nation. All religions ok. Not sorry.

PRH....... said...

Bob: Spoken like a true Idiot...do you wash those Knee Pads for Obummer everyday? Or do you wear em' dirty all the time?

walter said...

I was repeating what was told to me by a Senator about 18 years ago.

TheSwabbie said...

Clowns ~ you cant even talk about anything without saying President Bush was to blame, take it back ONE further. Clinton was the one who lambasted us with the CRA (community reinvestment act) which FORCED Banks to write loans to people who could NOT get them before for houses/property they could not afford. Who made the most money? Barney Frank, Chris Dodd.. Dont believe it - Google it.. they cleaned house. Many Republicans tried to bring oversight to it, guess what? The DEMOCRATS STOPPED IT.. why? Dodd was the Chairman overseeing it. Corruption all over Washington. For you people who think Obama is the answer.. you are FOOLS. He has taken away more ownership from corporations than any President in History. He has brought more taxation and will bring more than any President in history. GWB Presidency did NONE of this. Fools.. fools.. just like the Morons who wanted "ISM's Potion" letting the Government do everything for you.. BULL! Grow up!

Bob said...

TheSwabbie,

The ones who got loans through the CRA are not the ones foreclosing right now. It's the other ones.

TheSwabbie said...

Joemama you are DELUDED. Obama has taken more power and CONTINUES to take more than GWB EVER DID! President Bush NEVER weaseled his way into owning ALL the major corporations in America by the US Government! What .. are you BLIND? you must be one of those Dimwits who thinks the Government OWES US everything and is suppose to provide everything huh. The only thing President Bush did that you can bring up is the Patriot Act - which was a GOOD thing to go after Terrorist and stop another Attack. If thats ALL YOU GOT... you are an Imbecile to compare him to Obama and what he and the Dems are trying to do.. WAKE UP OUT OF YOUR STUPOR.

TheSwabbie said...

Bob - the CRA foreclosures were the FIRST ONES.. they are LONG GONE... thats what started it all.. Do you not understand economics? Have YOU been asleep? Aparently.

TheSwabbie said...

Obama IS a scourge on our Country.. he is only a ONE Termer for sure. Why do you think he is furiously trying to get ANYTHING done.. he knows his time is limited. He did not win by a landslide, it was by narrow margins. He's seen the handwriting on the wall as well as other Dems AND Republicans who are RINO's. The majority of people in this Country are CONSERVATIVE.. NOT liberal. The next largest block is Moderates.. which TEND to go with Conservatives... 2010 and 2012 are going to be bloodbaths for dems because of what they are trying to do right now with their power grabs and higher taxes.

joemama said...

Hey TheSwabbie, I'm sorry but you're wrong. Loans made through the CRA proved to be as profitable as loans to any other segment of society.

The real problem was the derivatives, but I'm glad to see that you support stricter regulations on the banking industry. Something that Obama supports. It's weird that you're a clown who can't talk about anything without saying Obama is to blame though.

So if you check actual facts you'd see that Obama has not taken more ownership from corporations than any president. What has happened in reality is that Bush and Obama gave bailout money to corporations that asked for it. In exchange there is some oversite to safe guard our tax dollars until they give our money back.

I'd like to make special note of your blatant lie:

"He has brought more taxation and will bring more than any President in history."

That is flat out false. Please go review the tax rate under Bush, Obama, Reagan, and the tax rate during the 50's and come back once you've seen reality.

You are being a fool. Someone has lied to you and told you our tax rate is higher. Who was that?

Also, nobody needs the government doing everything for them. However government run fire department make sense as does a public option for healthcare. It's proven to be more effective and efficient than our bloated inefficient for profit system. But we'll still have that for profit system. Americans will just have another option and more freedom.

Hey The Swabble..

Obama has taken more power and CONTINUES to take more than GWB EVER DID! President Bush NEVER weaseled his way into owning ALL the major corporations in America by the US Government!

In reality Bush and Obama both passed bailout bils to save some our industries. You must be blind if you forgot about Bush's TARP. Also neither of those gave us ownership of any major corporations let alone all of them. We are safeguarding our taxpayer money until we get it back but we don't own them.

"you must be one of those Dimwits who thinks the Government OWES US everything and is suppose to provide everything huh."

I'm not sure why you would think that. No, I do not think the government owes us everything and should provide everything. I would like to see all Americans have access to healthcare though and am willing to pay my premium for a public option. I'm glad the elderly and disabled have acces to Medicare too.

"he only thing President Bush did that you can bring up is the Patriot Act - which was a GOOD thing to go after Terrorist and stop another Attack."

I actually didn't bring up the Patriot Act but it certainly didn't stop any attacks and did limit the freedom of Americans. It's interesting to know that you are for less freedom.

"Obama IS a scourge on our Country.. he is only a ONE Termer for sure. Why do you think he is furiously trying to get ANYTHING done.. he knows his time is limited. He did not win by a landslide, it was by narrow margins."

Bush was a scourge, Obama is a two termer, and Obama certainly did win in a landslide by very large margins. Sorry, all you have to do is look up the election results. BIG margins. ;)

"The majority of people in this Country are CONSERVATIVE.. NOT liberal. The next largest block is Moderates.. which TEND to go with Conservatives"

Sorry to disappoint you again but Republican approval ratings are at a all time low. Moderates tend to go with Liberals, especially since the Conservatives turned all psycho lately.


http://dccc.org/blog/archives/republican_approval_ratings_at_all_time_low/

2010 and 2012 will be a bloodbath for Republicans just like 2006 and 2008 were.

Semper Wulf said...

Excellent cartoon! Kids need to see this today! Hopefully the Cartoon Network and other channels havem't purged it for it being "Politically Incorrect" a term the Russian Communist Party coined in their war against all other viewpoints. I might want to add that a lot of what the Left in this nation believes today actually was invented in Department 13 of the KGB during the Cold War. The Russian Commies used their networks to flood this country with their evil propoganda. It is time to outlaw Communism and Facism and the other ism's. Join The Christian Constitutional Union Network today, see us at Facebook, MySpace and Flickr.

joemama said...

Sorry but politically correct was a term first coined by the Supreme Court. Also it's mostly what the Right believes that was invented by the KGB,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness#Early_usages

Bob said...

TheSwabbie,

I respect your opinion, but I don't believe you.

JLambert said...

After reading some of these posts and posts from other websites, I'm not sure there is going to be much to unite Americans in the near future. There is definitely a cultural/political/social divide in this country and I'm not sure there is a way to mend it. People who are conservative are vastly different from people who are liberal in their values and perspective on government's role in citizens' lives. "Can't we all get along?" How? When one believes in the right to kill an unborn baby and the other doesn't? When one believes that two men or two women have the right to marry and the other doesn't? When one believes that morality is relative and the other doesn't? How does one compromise on values that cannot be compromised?

Keith Hughes said...

So if what solution do people have to make sure we are not "run" by health insurance companies and large corporations. What freedom are we giving up if we have national health insurance or regulate business in order to create a safe clean environment that's fair for all to compete? The choice between gov. regulation and pure capitalism is not a choice between communism and freedom, that is a red herring. Smart political choices which allow for competition and create an environment which promotes the general welfare (constitutional language)is why the constitution allows for change. According to the cartoon we should get rid of Medicare, Social Security and the EPA..... And by the way the Christian forefathers, including Washington and Jefferson were deitists which reject the trinity and the existence of a God who can interfere with human free will. Where were these fire yellers when Bush was abolishing the FISA court and expanding Medicare?

chriss said...

Geniuses - the bottle says "ism." Again you choose that your 'ism' is better than another "ism." It is pure partisan-ism that is keeping us from recognizing our greatness. Which "ism" bottle do you drink from? Look in the mirror that cartoon could be about you. Think, that you might be wrong.

Bob said...

@chriss,

Agreed. Think that we might be wrong. However, if we think that we MUST be wrong, then where would we be? We'd be a bunch of people who each thinks someone else has all the answers.

So, when we think for ourselves, we might be right... when someone else convinces us how to think, they might be wrong.

This video, while spot-on, leaves open possible interpretations which lead to selfishness and the "every man for himself" attitude.

Eric Potruch said...

Ron (October 19, 2009 4:29 PM) -- Your views represent what is dangerous about the influence of religion on politics. As a Jew, I don't want a GOD party. That would be unconstitutional, against all we wish to preserve. What I want is for people to stop insisting that the GOD-ly way is the only way. Keep your intrusive view of God to yourself. In fact, to anyone on this discussion board who believes we need to embrace Christianity as a way out of our mess, I say go to f***ing H*ll!

As for the cartoon, didn't watch it, it's propaganda if it's the 1940s. Obama is currently the right person to lead us out of this mess. The Republican Party is a den of Christianist morons (spelled correctly, you redneck b*stards!), the Democratic Party a collection of weaklings, and the only one I've seen with the patience, calm, and steadfastness of purpose to preserve what's great about this country is our President, Barack HUSSEIN Obama!

walter said...

People of this great country need to remember this nation is not a
democracy it is a republic and we need to start following the laws of the republic not the excessive amount of lawyers,we have now days

andrea said...

scary bob,...scaaary, bob.

Scot Workman said...

Dr. Ism even looks like Obama! Says one thing and does the exact opposite! Communism here we come...

Jan in CA said...

Where I live (Silicon Valley and BioTech Bay) there are plenty of innovators developing new products and services and many entrepreunial pursuits that sometimes "make it" and sometimes don't. Yes, capital from own's resources and/or from venture capitalists is needed, along with sweat equity and risk-taking. Many people do what it takes and bring others along with them. I don't see "loss of freedom" in economic pursuits here, in spite of hefty state taxes.

A problem is higher education. Here in CA we are now educating FEWER students in the state colleges and universities than in the recent past due to budget shortfalls and cutbacks. I hear that the same is happening (to a lesser extent) at the excellent private universities here -- they are taking in fewer freshmen. This does not bode well for the future. It is educated and technically trained young people who develop the present and create the future.

Capitalism is, overall, a good thing. However, don't overlook the fact that it was unregulated capitalism among the financial institutions, markets, and personnel that brought on the disaster of 2008. There are still several chapters to go in that ongoing disaster.

I'd guess that there are many here who oppose the outsourcing of Americans' jobs and importing of Indians, Chinese and others on
on H1B visas to work in our high tech firms. Not to mention illegal workers who regularly cross our borders, both north and south who generally take lower skilled jobs. Well, that is what unregulated globalist capitalism has wrought. The multinational corporations have absolutely no loyalty to any nation or workers therein. They are loyal and driven to enhance only their "bottom line" for the enrichment of their officers, directors, and stockholders.

Yes, capitalism is good.
REGULATED capitalism. And voluntary self-regulation has rarely worked. Strengthening and enforcing government agency regulation is absolutely necessary, else we will all end up as peasants beholden to our lords and masters (in the private sector) for our very survival. Feudalism 21st century style.

Eddie said...

Fuck you Christopher (~20th-25th poster) Its assholes like you who keep banning material due to its lack of "Political Correctness" The reason why this offends you is because, deep down, you have socialistic ideals. You are among the groups of people who demand political correctness to the point where it will remove every good piece of literature, art or film until we are left with nothing but a bland society where being politically correct comes before knowledge. You're no better than a Nazi burning books...

hobo said...

I love how everyone here automatically throws the boot at 'liberalism' without realizing that the ones they are against make up a minority definition.

Conservatives aren't perfect either and once could think of a host of things wrong on that side as well, but human nature forces up to point the finger at something no matter how little we know of it's definition.

I'm not supporting either- I'm just saying it's sad how one sided you people are.

Pauline said...

Propaganda cartoons like this were designed to scare people into not thinking.

If Americans knew their history (I'm a history teacher) they would quickly recognize the lies in this cartoon. Plenty of them!

Apparently, from reading the blog responses here, very few know their own history. Maybe the government SHOULD step in and create national education standards that force US students across the country to actually learn US history.
Here in NY we have the highest education standards and a cartoon like this is met with laughter and head shaking from our high school students. Also our teachers' credentials here are welcome anywhere, because of the rigorous training we get. A Masters in teaching is absolutely required for certification. Our students deserve nothing less!

We would be happy to travel the country and educate those on this blog who seem confused about their own history and think this propaganda cartoon is timely and honest.

And just in case anyone hadn't noticed,or read polls or newspapers lately, the recent elections did overturn the old administration and handed the power to a more liberal group of politicians who represent the majority of the nation.
The majority is now in control. The People.
And, happily, it is a more humane, and kind-hearted group of Americans who are being represented by a majority in the White House.
And more freedoms are soon to be given to all Americans, rather than taken away.
Taking away freedoms seems to be a Republican thing (Defense of Marriage Act).
I'm not sure why, since they love their freedoms and love shouting about it in town halls.

Taking away people's rights and ending their freedom is not supporting freedom...

hobo said...

Oh, that and it appears that your all bible thumping Christians. Don't get me wrong, the basic values of Christianity are all good. Don't steal, don't kill so on... But Religion and state should stay as far away from eachother as possible.

Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Asatru, whatever! The moment you start thinking with 'god' is the moment you start acting like an idiot.

We accuse Islam of being violent and taking over (and I admit it is) but at the same time Christianity is doing the same thing on a different level!
"Behead those who hate Islam!" they say, while Christians shout "You'll go to hell if you don't follow Jesus!".
Where is the difference? Hate for homosexuals, hate for other beliefs, hate for other methods of thought- it's all the same.

Roy said...

So Robert J. Sodaro. Would you call yourself a believer in relatism? Or someone who would say there are no absolutes?

Geoffrey said...

you all see what u want
move beyond left & right
christian or islam
we live in a world of controlled monetary cycles
its the fed & 16 amendment
not clinton or bush or obama
wake up usa

TA81557 said...

This president has applauded the successes of men like Momar Kaddafi, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro these men are dictators who rule with an iron fist. One of our presidents advisors were recently heard touting the merits of Chairman Mao a man who killed (40+million) people in order to maintain his tyrannical control over China. I think the president’s philosophy of anti-business, large government and American subordination to foreign governments will spell the end of this country. It’s sad that the corruption in both parties has created the situation we are in today.

Fixourcountry said...

To Lora: Please do not throw stones until you check out your own spelling and grammar. You have misspelled "abysmal" and I do believe there is a dangling participle in there also.

It is sad to see all the bickering in America today and we DO need to fight for it. Very few practice personal responsibility nowadays. We should step up to the plate and take care of our own and throw out political correctness lest we "hurt anyone's feelings." We should help ONLY those who CANNOT help themselves. Hunger is an impetus to doing work!

It appears that we are heading down the tubes and it grieves me. If the politicians would just let the free market take over, things would correct themselves. It is their greed for money and power that have ruined this country. That and the fact that very few care enough to educate themselves on the issues are to blame. Too many want something for nothing and I don't believe that is what God intended for our lives.

Fixourcountry said...

To Lora: Please do not throw stones until you check out your own spelling and grammar. You have misspelled "abysmal" and I do believe there is a dangling participle in your post also. It is sad to see all the bickering in America today and we DO need to fight for it. Very few practice personal responsibility nowadays. We should step up to the plate and take care of our own and throw out political correctness lest we "hurt anyone's feelings."

It appears that we are heading down the tubes and it grieves me. If the politicians would just let the free market take over, things would correct themselves. It is their greed for money and power that have ruined this country. That and the fact that very few care enough to educate themselves on the issues are to blame. Too many want something for nothing and I don't believe that is what God intended for our lives.

davis said...

"2) There is a backwards-hanging American flag (in the first minute, the blue star field is ALWAYS in the upper left)"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=american+flag+pictures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=XADrSreGMNPflAeppsywCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQsAQwAA


THE FLAG IS NOT BACKWARD. YOU KNOW YOU ARE CROSS-EYED IF THE WORDS "MALT SHOP" APPEAR FORWARD. THIS IS AN EASY PROBLEM TO FIX. SIMPLY REFER TO THE LINK ABOVE, AND THEN UNCROSS YOUR EYES. GLAD I COULD HELP WITH THAT. I MAY HAVE SAVED YOU FROM A HEADACHE. NOT TO MENTION, FURTHER SCRUTINY BY OTHER EDUCATED BLOGGERS.

Johnny Warren said...

Statism, Progressivism

davis said...

"2) There is a backwards-hanging American flag (in the first minute, the blue star field is ALWAYS in the upper left)"

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=american+flag+pictures&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=XADrSreGMNPflAeppsywCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQsAQwAA


THE FLAG IS NOT BACKWARD. YOU KNOW YOU ARE CROSS-EYED IF THE WORDS "MALT SHOP" APPEAR FORWARD. THIS IS AN EASY PROBLEM TO FIX. SIMPLY REFER TO THE LINK ABOVE, AND THEN UNCROSS YOUR EYES. GLAD I COULD HELP WITH THAT. I MAY HAVE SAVED YOU FROM A HEADACHE. NOT TO MENTION, FURTHER SCRUTINY BY OTHER EDUCATED BLOGGERS.

Miguel said...

People get a life, the cartoon reflects the times when Communism was a real threat to the world, that is no longer he case (NOW IS ULTRA LIBERALISM) but everything applies still today. yes we are multicultural, more open to religious freedom, etc, but the basic precepts that founded this great country were not those of the democratic or Republican parties but the people.Give it a rest,this cartoon should be played in national television with NO DEBATE period.

Historical it is, right it is, in principle!!!

Larry said...

It is interesting reading all the comments. Everyone blames someone else. We need to hold ourselves accountable for our actions. We need to look again at the cartoon and we will see what happened when the took a drink of ISM that is what is happening now. Some said to compromise so we will get along. That is part of our trouble those in DC compromise and we get something for each senator then they vote for a bad bill. We need to stand up for our VALUES and vote and act that way. That is if you have VALUES.

Natalie said...

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/

Our real hope lies here

Natalie said...

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/

Our real hope lies here

Warren said...

Friends, in order to fix our Republic we must understand how it got broke. It worked really well for quite a while as the Constitutional Republic our Founders designed it to be. Its powers were very limited and defined by the Constitution, and further clarified in the Bill of Rights. But human nature being as it is, we may be assured there were men working on ways to circumvent it, even as the ink dried on the parchment.

It was a very sturdy document though, and withstood such assaults for generations with only incremental damage. However, once the erosion began it could only accelerate, until it became utterly disregarded by those sworn to uphold it.

In my opinion our Constitution had but one fatal flaw: it should have included a provision making its violation by anyone an act of Treason, carrying the penalty of death.

walter said...

Hyundia Motors not very good

Mopp said...

I get so angry at "us" not standing on our own two fee. We have turned over our values to the elected in Washington. Why do we not hold them accountable? Why do we continue to vote them back into office when they choose what they want, not what we have told them we want?
Stand up, People! Independant, Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. Get a backbone and keep America, AMERICA!

DocLarry said...

It is the partisanship that is the problem. This stems from a lack of respect for other individuals and their rights to hold differing views and perspectives. If we could all respect others and respect ourselves, there would be far less aggressive, passive, and passive-aggressive behavior in the world. This, in turn, would make it easier for us all to respect and accept each other as equals.

joemama said...

Sorry Warren, the real problem is with corporate interests in Washington. Corporation buy the legislation they want passed. We have corporations-as-people for campaign contributions.

Until we get the lobbyists and corporate interests out we don't have a government for the people. This is one of the problems with capital-ism run amuck.

Hopefully we'll get healthcare reform in spite of the corporate lobbyists. It would be a real improvement for America.

RonaldAnders said...

We were in the downward spiral well before this was made in 1948. Remember that the Federal Reserve, neither Federal nor Reserve in reality, was created in about 1913. The income tax was passed I think in 1918.

cberning said...

Does anyone have Obama's or Nancy Pelosi's email!!! They need to see this!!!

bmcgee3 said...

Some said that "he" didn't look like a socialist to him. So what does a Socialist look like. Well someday look at a picture of Marx, Stalin, Casto, Mo. Shall I go on.

Bell4Christ said...

Everywhere I turn I read or hear of someone concerned for our freedom, but for as many people there are that complain I don't see things changing. Is it because we are just sitting around doing nothing but flapping our lips? Stand up people and stop complaining. Or sit down and shut up. Start doing something about it. If half the people who complained actually did something we might see some change and regain our lost freedoms. If you won't who will?

BK said...

Be careful what some people call "Freedom". There are those who claim they are for freedom, but are against allowing certain religions or nationalities to be part of the American dream. There are those who claim they are for freedom, but want to regulate people's sexual activities, or restrict freedom of speech if it concerns America's militarism, or unscrupulous business practices. There are those who define "freedom" as the right to ship your job overseas to a third world worker so that they can make more profit for themselves, or the right to run an investment scam with your money, or charge you exorbitant rates for things you need to survive. There are those who simply want the freedom not to have to pay their fair share of taxes, while enriching themselves off taxpayers and against the taxpayer's interests.
When this video was made, a 40 hour a week job bought a house, raised a family, and paid for a dignified retirement. When this video was made, America really was number one in standard of living, education, and opportunity. The average worker could afford to buy a house, a car, visit their doctor, and obtain a college education.
For the past 40 years, those standards, and our real freedoms to have a good life with a reasonable standard of living for the hours we work, has been steadily eroding, while a very small percentage of the population have grown disproportionately rich. If you really are interested in freedom, if you are interested in Democracy and capitalism, as opposed to fascism and feudalism, you will realize that freedom is something Americans give themselves, and use your power in the voting booth.

Jan in CA said...

What BK said.

DC :O) said...

Could this possibly be his majesty, Mr. Obama, who's vision is spoken of herein?? WOW!! This sure sounds familiar!!! Will the Freedom Lovers be cast off to Gitmo????? THINK ABOUT THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up and VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jan in CA said...

The truly dangerous "isms" these days are:

corporatism

[and the ideology that a corporation is a "person" endowed with constitutional rights. You may blame this ridiculous notion on decisions by conservative majorities on the Supreme Court -- activist jurists indeed!]


cronyism among the rich, elite, connected, and powerful

feudalism -- 21st century style, where the top 1% of wealth holders indeed hold more than the bottom 95% combined. We used to call this a "banana republic."

We no longer live in a democratic republic. We live in a plutocracy that dupes citizens by presenting a veneer of democracy via regularly scheduled elections. "Drink this Kool-Aid, dear Sheeple. Now, go watch American Idol."

But it is merely the best democracy (or to be accurate, democratic republic) that money can -- and does -- buy.

If you want real change, the idea of corporation as "person" must be made illegal.

Then, reign in the lobbying "profession" -- which has many things in common with the oldest "profession" in the world. Yes, this means tightly REGULATE it. Or ban it altogether. In DC and in State capitals as well.

Then, develop new and equitable ways to finance campaigns for political office that emphasizes the views of common citizens, not corporate toadies.

After that, we might begin to make some progress.

phil olowski said...

When I'm president, I'll first and foremost, eliminate the domestic enemy (IRS). Want to pay a voluntary tax? slap cash check or money order in an envelope marked FED (or State) tax drop in any mailbox. 1OO Housewives will replace the fired congress members and will disburse "voluntary tax envelopes". Anyone attempting to or who does diminish the US Constitution will be tried and hanged. ...next...

Jim said...

Pitiful outfit.

Oliver said...

It may have already been posted but I think it is important to note, again. That if the Federal Government,the President and the politicians in this country continue to vote their party views, because they see themselves more capable of deciding what the peasants need,and not the voters views all us that have posted here will end up in a camp waiting to be executed for our thoughts and the courage to voice them. We have allowed this to happen and we must take back our country and hold the politians responsible for their votes. Clean house and start over, all new faces, no more old clicks, business as usual. I have a friend who is an excellent State Prosecutor who states he never votes for the encumbent politicians as one term is enough time to steal and join a gang. Vote for the new guy. Prosecute the corrupt politicians. Take note of the punishment for corruption in most States. Remember the laws were made and passed by politicians. You will find they are misdemeanors or the punishments are fines easily paid by the "elite" (as they see themselves)of society. We CITIZENS know what our forefathers and relatives fought and died for and we are not stupid uneducated peasants but we have become self centered and lazy. Think of your loved ones, friends, yourself in the future years, stand up and vote. Don't let special interest groups rent buses, hire the homeless and drunks, buy their votes and bus them to the polls and outnumber us. Take your friends, families, sons, daughters and responsible people who understand that what is at stake is just not a handout or temporary fix, or as is politly written in the media as "empty promises". Call it as you see it not an "empty promise" but a LIE! As an Elite person once said, "Let them eat cake". We know what the people did about that. Be what you are, Americans with a proud heritage, use the sharp edge of the vote to sever those "Elite Heads".

Ronald said...

Jim Says:
To Esther:
“Everyone blames Bush, who had to deal with Clinton's pushing the mortgage companies to give loans that they knew people couldn't pay back.” I believe if you look at it you will see that it was the mortgage companies who gave mortgages without caring if they would be paid back because they could sell them after giving them. That is lack of ethics on their part.

You make a fair point but the structure within which these self-serving acts might prosper could only exist if the loan could be sold to a government sponsored guarenteeor like FNMA. Here is where I contend the well-intentioned but 100% over politicalized process began its fateful downward spriral. This is (IMHO) indisputedly a failure of the Clinton administration. Nobody since (not even Obama) will dare touch this one. How do you tell prople that we won't make money avaialble to them for a new house. This is disaster number two waiting to happen. Personally, I call loans to those who will likely never pay it back charity - your Federal gov calls it policy.

joemama said...

Olivers says "That if the Federal Government,the President and the politicians in this country continue to vote their party views, because they see themselves more capable of deciding what the peasants need,and not the voters views all us that have posted here will end up in a camp waiting to be executed for our thoughts and the courage to voice them."

What the hell are you talking about Oliver? We're actually not in any danger of being put in a camp for voicing our opinions. That's some psycho fear mongering. And your idea of voting people out of office no matter how good a job they are doing is ridiculous.

How about we just vote on the merits of the candidate?

Jim said...

I read as some of you totally missed the point. This cartoon is about what is happening today. Pres. Bush had to contend with a mess left by Pres. Clinton (mortgages given to people who couldn't repay directed by the DEMOCRATS in congress)and a war brought to us by the cowardly actions of Pres. Carter and Pres. Clinton. I am retired military and I was a mortgage broker so I saw this first hand. In case you are too stupid to understand the wolf is Mr. Obama and the ISM he is offering is the CHANGE Mr. Obama is offering. He is liar and the change is the loss of our freedom and our country. We need to throw the bums out. All the incumbents in congress and the liar in the White House need to go.

joemama said...

No Jim, you missed the point. The cartoon is propaganda. But it does resemble what was happening a couple years ago.

Obama has had to contend with the mess left behind by Bush. Bush's wars and disastrous tax cuts were not payed for and have sunk the country into deep financial trouble.

The housing problem wasn't caused by giving loans to people who couldn't afford them. The same percentage of low income people actually repay their mortgages as higher incomes. The problem was with the derivatives. ou should know this unless you were a really bad mortgage guy.

Low income and high income people both often saw their payments double.

Bush was a liar and attacked our freedoms and tried to take away our country. We got rid of the liar and put someone much better in the white house in that landslide victory. GO USA.

Kent said...

For the first time in my adult life I must say that I have lost faith in my government. Not it's people but the politicians who work for the lobbyists and to be reelected, the mega to-big-to-fail corporations and their extravagant bonuses for their failure, the big money lenders who take the taxpayers money and yet jack up the credit card rates and lend not to the small business who is struggling.
I followed the American dream, believed in it.Raised in poverty, went to Vietnam, worked through college on the GI bill, became a moderately successful businessman only to now find, at 62, a failed business, bankruptcy and starting over again. No health insurance, no job, no confidence that our leaders really give a damn, except for themselves.
How do we as citizens take back our country when we have become slaves to the materialistic, mind washing?
America has become a fading flower and empire crumbling at its foundation and yet, our leaders are in a wealth grab before the ship sinks and to hell with the passengers.

joemama said...

Good news Kent. You'll be able to get health insurance through Medicare or the Public option soon.

Bob said...

Cute cartoon and I'm certain that a lot of actors got paid for their work. The idea at the end is a little fuzzy, unless
someone is using the idea of "the state" as the boogy man. I guess someone is trying to relate government laws,
whether they be town, city, county, state, or federal, to this "boogy man fist". One thing that most people forget is that
it has always been these government agencies that have put forth ideas that have helped our country to expand and
prosper. And to make and pass laws to protect our air, water, and land from those that would destroy it for the sake
of money and profits. Not a single law has ever been voiced by those that would really like to use these irreplaceable
resources, for the purpose of protecting them and the continuing use of them by our citizens. Ford had a great idea
about building cars for everyone - and made a fortune - but until our government built those roads, a weekend in
the car with the family, was a muddy mess. Most of my property taxes on my car, go to local schools while I don't
have a single child using them. To provide private use for education, fire, and police, would not be affordable for most
of our citizens, that's why we have to "share the load". Thank God, the law of the jungle hasn't been allowed like
some people think it should be. The current situation with regards to health care is a perfect
example. The media talks about a trillion dollars for this health care that is meant for those that really need it.
Hardly a mention about that trillion dollars that is to be spread over a decade. That's about 100 billion dollars a
year for a nation that spends from 3 1/2 to 4 trillion dollars A YEAR. One of Benjamin Franklin's sayings would be very appropriate now - "penny wise and pound foolish". So we don't spend that trillion dollars over a decade and after
10 years, that medical bill eventually grows to a trillion dollars a year because it wasn't taken care of "back then".
If people are tired of laws being passed that are inconvenient for them, let's pull all those modern conveniences that
have grown from 1948 to 2009 and then go back to that era again. Sorry Charlie! You can't put the genie back in the bottle......................................

damien said...

I see when i read these comments that we seem to have some people left who can think for themselves. I dont think the union was designed to allow workers to combat the large businesses. If this was the purpose today, it would be very useful. Now it lobbies for laws and controls over business bringing the legislative and judicial government into it, which i think is the wrong direction. I watch as WE have lost our sense of community, compassion, and other things taught by the bible and our mentors. Funny how the poor communities as i drive around have bbq on sat, church on sun, kids play ball outside, etc. but the wealthier areas of town are quiet. Parents are not there anymore. TV and sports are more important than math homework. I think we all could use a turn in the broke out of work, cant pay for food line and it is coming soon enuf i feel. When everyone agrees there is usually a problem because it is the different expierences and opinions that help conclude the best solution. If the country falls apart tommorrow, it doesnt matter if Jesus is the one leading the way. Pray that Gods will is done and it will be. Then and only then can u live everyday and not worry about what tommorrow brings.

damien said...

I see when i read these comments that we seem to have some people left who can think for themselves. I dont think the union was designed to allow workers to combat the large businesses. If this was the purpose today, it would be very useful. Now it lobbies for laws and controls over business bringing the legislative and judicial government into it, which i think is the wrong direction. I watch as WE have lost our sense of community, compassion, and other things taught by the bible and our mentors. Funny how the poor communities as i drive around have bbq on sat, church on sun, kids play ball outside, etc. but the wealthier areas of town are quiet. Parents are not there anymore. TV and sports are more important than math homework. I think we all could use a turn in the broke out of work, cant pay for food line and it is coming soon enuf i feel. When everyone agrees there is usually a problem because it is the different expierences and opinions that help conclude the best solution. If the country falls apart tommorrow, it doesnt matter if Jesus is the one leading the way. Pray that Gods will is done and it will be. Then and only then can u live everyday and not worry about what tommorrow brings.

El Cascabel said...

Dr. ISM won a Nobel Peace Prize!

Bill said...

It still is far-fetched... Nothing wrong with reminders of the value of freedom and liberty. How about some edutainment on the following freedoms currently pervasive in America: the freedom to go bankrupt when your insurer denies coverage (even you even have an insurer); the freedom to work yourself crazy to earn enough money to buy all the things the materialistic society says you need; the freedom to go deep into debt because nobody gets things they can afford nowadays (hmmm... except the boys pulling the scheme on the unsuspecting populace)...

Bill said...

It still is far-fetched... Nothing wrong with reminders of the value of freedom and liberty. How about some edutainment on the following freedoms currently pervasive in America: the freedom to go bankrupt when your insurer denies coverage (even you even have an insurer); the freedom to work yourself crazy to earn enough money to buy all the things the materialistic society says you need; the freedom to go deep into debt because nobody gets things they can afford nowadays (hmmm... except the boys pulling the scheme on the unsuspecting populace)...

cgoyette said...

Our government is out of control!

The linchpin to usher in a new age of governance for our country, and the rest of the world for that matter, is to return to a system of sound currency. First step in accomplishing this goal is to abolish the Federal Reserve and the central banking system at large, returning the issuance of currency to the State. This measure will not only protect what we have labored to acquire but will also provide an incentive for us to save.

Second, we remove the personal rights granted by law to corporations, which are ours and ours alone. Endowing corporations with personal rights in effect grants them immortality, which defies human existence.

We may now proceed to dismantle the federal government of all powers not bestowed to it by The People in accordance with our Constitution. This action will return power to the states whereby its people can determine how much power they desire their state government to possess. Whatever power removed from state governance will flow to still smaller, local governance. This process will continue until the individual is returned the power they rightfully deserve, their God-given right to freely determine their own destiny.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe any of the steps outlined above will happen until the states reestablish their militias. The federal government will not willingly give up the tyrannical power they have so patiently acquired. The states will have to actively engage with the federal government and forcibly take back the power they so naively and selfishly relented to them.

This is a tall order! The People need to get angrier still before any of this can happen. Who will lead this effort? Do we have the determination, courage, and awareness necessary to create a New Individual Order?

Give me freedom or give me death! Prepare for revolution!

Wait a minute! I believe there’s another way. Let’s pick it up from the question of whether we have the determination, courage, and awareness necessary to free ourselves from State imposed tyranny. We are at the cusp of a new age, an age of awareness whereby The People need only will and truly feel their freedom and they will have it. The ruling elite know this, which is why they are so desperate to complete their global agenda, i.e. the New World Order, before we awaken. They know that once a critical mass of people awakens, their opportunity to enslave the world will cease to exist.

We are quickly approaching the end of the Mayan calendar, an end that yields to a new beginning. This is what mystics, including Jesus Christ, have been foretelling for millennia. The biblical “second coming” does not need to be a violent confrontation of good and evil. It can more easily be accomplished peacefully whereby the power of consciousness representing truth and love overwhelms all else.

On the outside, I am belligerent and resentful of the tyrants controlling our fate from behind the cloak of darkness. However, I’m empowered from the consciousness within from which no tyrant can penetrate.

We have the power, we can overwhelm the powers that be, and it's time we start using it.

The Truth said...

God bless America and God bless our commander & chief president Obama! If you don't like it, quit yer bitchin & LEAVE!!!

Fixourcountry said...

Joemama's comments are typical of the uneducation of so many Americans nowadays. Does he not realize that tax CUTS actually raise government revenues??? Needs to take an economics course and also take a lesson from what Ronald Reagan did to pull us out of the disaster that Jimmy Carter put us in. Obama has quadrupled the debt in just a short time. Wait until his taxes go up in 2010 when the Bush tax cuts are repealed. He won't be so in love with Obama then! We should pray for America. My business (self employed realtor) has been crippled by Obama's lame policies and if housing is suffering, you can bet that other businesses are also. Joemama, if small businesses suffer, there are very few jobs, as they are responsible for 70% of the jobs in the USA. Helllloooo...nothing but class envy at work here. Personally, I have never worked for a poor person (with the exclusion of being self employed!)

Repubnomore said...

I got this cartoon from a bunch of rightwing nutcases. Why would they be spreading this around? I mean, the greatest threat to our freedoms and the American way of life was under the last administration, who sent our jobs to China, listened in on our phone calls, examined our credit card purchases, tortured our prisoners, and jumped in bed with fundamentalist "Christians" who tried to invade my private life by telling me what I could and could not do in my bedroom and interfered with my reproductive rights. And, furthermore, the administration was on vacation for 8 months of the first year, ignored warnings about al Quaeda, and possibly could have prevented 9-11. Then he took my son to war on false intelligence that he knew was false. Now why on earth would those rightwingers want to remind us of what the last administration was like?

Rev. Spike said...

!!!

Gil said...

In all due respect Bob,...

Like the farmer who didn’t know Oats from Wheat The tobacco your smoking has got to be Marijuana because Christianity has nothing to do with it! If it did, He would never have made it into office...

You can thank the liberal left coupled with the ignorance of those who simply voted by color. Personally speaking I don’t care what Race the President is so long as he or SHE is qualified! This clown clearly is not!!!!

I submit to you & your clouded thinking that you put down the crack pipe Sober up & get your misguided self to Church and pray that after the service God helps you to get your facts straight!

vickor said...

100% agree with ljrstras. For me this not anti-Obama cartoon. This is pro-American one. This is why people loved USA, this is why I always dreamed to come here. This is why I more and more disappointed when I made it. That's the last chance to revive America.

Rae Sanborn said...

Harding College's cartoon says "Working together is the secret of American prosperity"! So True!
Unfortunately, their cartoon failed to forsee the unbridaled abuse of our 1st Amendment (thru our airwaves) by the likes of Rush Lumpjaw, whose convoluted, 100% Devisive, mantra is aimed only at obscene self enrichment -- at the expense and destruction of our country!

jim said...

Victor said...

Are you so blind and ignorant, Victor to say such a thing in the midst of what is happening?

jim said...

People are so far out there they'd rather buy into their drug fantasies than stand for their own freedom. Call it complacency, pacifism or whatever you want. It boils down to cowardice. We might as well throw America on the table and place bets on it. That's all that's left. (No pun intended.)

jim said...

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: COULD WE POSSIBLY VOTE OURSELVES PRISONERS?

DON'T VOTE YOURSELF INTO CAPTIVITY. BEWARE OF THE ELIXIR. THE MAN WITH THE POTION. THE MAN WITH THE CHARISMA.
THE MAN WITH THE POWER (which belongs to the people.)

FREEDOM NOT GAINED IS LOST.

UNFORTUNATE AS IT MAY BE, SHARING IS NOT CHARACTERISTIC OF HUMAN NATURE. IT MUST BE TAUGHT, ACCEPTED AND PRACTICED (ask your kids).

IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN WHAT YOU HAVE, SOMEONE WILL TAKE IT (just because you wouldn't doesn't mean they won't).

MAINTAIN (Y)OUR FREEDOM (that's sharing).

WHEN IT GETS RIGHT DOWN TO IT, YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO SHARE TO THE nTH DEGREE, DO YOU?

SO, DOES THE PROSPECT OF THE CARTOON HOLD TRUE AND IS IT JUST A MATTER OF TIME THAT AMERICANS WILL BE CAPTIVES BECAUSE OF COWARDICE?

WOULD WE RATHER FIGHT AMONGST OURSELVES BECAUSE A POLITICAL FOE IS LESS RISKY TO CONTEND WITH THAN OUR REAL ENEMIES?

A HOUSE DIVIDED SHALL NOT STAND.

FIND YOUR FRICKEN BRITCHES, PULL 'EM UP, TIGHTEN THE BELT AND STAND WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR, DESPITE YOUR DIFFERENCES. OR FALL IN THE DITCH WITH YOUR PROPHETICALLY BLIND GUIDE.

PLEASE NOTE: NO NAMES MENTIONED, NO ACCUSATIONS MADE AND I LOVE Y'ALL.

jim said...

I can see plainly we will dither over whose fault this is until it is too late to do anything real about it. Stop trying to be right in an argument and do the right thing while you are still allowed to do so. Scoff and think it's not happening and we'll be out of time before you know it. What then? Lock and load? I doubt it. If we won't even do the necessary now, how will we then? The change sold us is missing the silver platter, but we can still gain it by vote rather than conquest, for the time being. Vote freedom, not equality. The difference is equality is dictated.

jim said...

Think this over: You were created equal. Equality is a natural fact. Why must it be defined and dictated? How does a law presiding over a natural characteristic make it more so? Or, does law actually change (the definition of) equality? And if you change equality, what is it then?

Let’s see . . . equality . . . umm . . . changed . . . uhh . . . mmm . . aha . . . inequality!

So the formula is EQUALITY + CHANGE = INEQUALITY.

Add a small dose of CON and you have FRAUD.

What is fraud when it occurs in government?

More so, what is fraud when it happens to you?

Repubnomore said...

Well, Bob...I don't so much about God's sovereignty in our elections, but I know that I voted for Barack Obama because I am a Christian who believes that there are more moral issues that abortion and gay marriage---issues like taking care of the elderly and the sick, educating our children, and providing affordable healthcare to all Americans, and keeping jobs here so people can support their families. If you want to call me a liberal for believing those things, then thankyou very much. I am liberal and proud. After all, the one after whom I patterned my life was a liberal too--Jesus Christ. We are all in this together, but you see the losing side is just yelling from the sidelines instead of helping us get out of this mess. They don't really care about America, they just want to see our President, God bless him, fail. We need to pray for him that he succeeds. I prayed for the fool we had before (Bush) but he was so enamored with himself, he thought God was spelled "D-I-C-K C-H-E-N-E-Y."

The Impish One said...

Actually they weren't "Christian" the founding fathers were agnostic before anything America was not founded a
Christian country it was founded a country open for all, with a seperation of church and state which we no longer really enjoy as religion has made its way to deep into politics something that should always be frowned upon. Welcome back to the Holy Roman Empire. I am a staunch American and a vetran. I'm sick of the crap that we need our leaders to be Christian. Personally I'd be begging for competent leadership. But I dont see or hear any cries for that. Well American You wanted him you got him as president now shut up and deal with your mistakes.

Bob said...

Absolutely, people. Fight to keep your freedom. Show the fear-mongering controllers that you won't buy into their propaganda. Show your willingness to protect your freedom by dismissing their arguments and forming your own individual opinions.

Bob said...

@Repubnomore,

I agree with you. To have a healthy society, we need opposition to every opinion. This doesn't mean, however, that opposition should exist just for the sake of opposition, which is the trap many have fallen for. Instead of learning the facts for themselves, gaining wisdom, and opposing things which are truly bad... they listen to propaganda, then regurgitate it. That's why I'm glad that the vote of the wise always cancels out the vote of the unwise.

Mary Ann said...

wild!

Bob said...

@The Impish One,

I couldn't agree with you more. While some of the founding fathers may have been Christian... and others may have been Atheist... that didn't really matter, because they had the wisdom to know that religion doesn't belong in politics and politics doesn't belong in religion. True Christians would learn from Jesus' teachings (as well as from the writings of Paul)... and know that true freedom comes from keeping church and state separate.

I don't believe our leaders "need" to be Christian, but I would sure prefer it this way... as long as they were a good example of Christianity and kept religious doctrine out of law.

This is what concerned me about Bush to a minor degree... and so far, Obama has been maintaining a good distinction as well.

Bob said...

@Hobo,

If a Christian has hate for anyone, then they do not have the Holy Spirit in their hearts. Christianity isn't a medal you can wear around your neck or a patch you can sew on your jacket. It's a journey. The destination is love and compassion for all... including homosexuals, love for those with other beliefs, love for those with other methods of thought, etc...

There are some people out there who don't believe we ever landed on the moon... and they will present all sorts of "scientific fact" to prove this... even to this day.

If you don't let these people make you think that science is crazy or that all scientists have no sense... then don't let a bunch of confused Christians spoil the whole bunch for you.

I am a Christian.

I believe same-sex marriage should be allowed under the law.

I do not have hate for any groups.

I am not perfect... so certainly I can have my temporary moments of anger towards certain people who have hateful ways... but I always reset my moral compass to steer me away from such things.

Bob said...

So is every bankrupt business the fault of the government? C'mon, people... the government can't bail you out every time... if you fail at business, maybe it isn't your calling to be a business person.

Bob said...

@Gil,

Thanks for the offer of marijuana, Gil, but I'll pass. I've never touched the stuff and I never plan to. Not for me. (Of course, I've also never touched tobacco... and never will.)

I'm not sure how you can say that Christianity has nothing to do with anything, unless you either disbelieve God exists, or you think God is not in control, or you just subscribe to a different god.

Not sure what position you are in to determine Presidential qualification better than everyone else, but clearly you think you are the only intelligent voter. Can't wait to see how many votes you get with that attitude when you finally run for President. (Or are you just an armchair political complainer?)

You say I need to get my facts straight... but so far you have not provided any evidence to prove any facts I have provided as false... nor have you provided any facts of your own to the contrary. You sound like the snake oil salesman in this cartoon.

Gene said...

As long as this Countries citizens remain pitted against one another freedom will be in jeopardy. On one side, it is all one presidents fault and the other side quickly responds with, "it was another". This has been coming for a very long time and there is plenty of blame to go around. The hateful rhetoric accomplishes nothing and yet it seems as if it is by design. You can choose to continue this dribble or begin to contribute constructive criticism, regardless of which side of the fence your on...

Sauce Goddess said...

Wow. I love our country and that we can have a debate like this over a video made in 1948. The video is very prophetic and does make me think.

Bottom line is that is WE as a people are our Government. WE OWN IT and we pay for it with our taxes. If we want some thing different then we need vote differently. We still live in a country where that is allowed.

As of the time I write this we are still free to do that. For how long, who knows. Let's hope our freedom to be happy and help others do the same never ends.

Chaotic said...

I looked at which candidate best fit my ideals... and I voted. Now, it is MY JOB, as a voter, to continue my interest in how my country is run. I continue to watch issues and make myself heard (pro or con). I write my State Representative as well as other states'. I write to U.S. Senators and to the White House. I do non-violent protests. I march.
And I know that, regardless of the color/gender/religious affiliation of the person in the White House, it is the MACHINE behind the person that needs to be changed. he person is not as important as the PEOPLE... the PUBLIC.... that needs to be monitoring what is going on behind the facade. Do you really think G.W.Bush made all his decisions alone? Or do you think was he prompted/persuaded? If we do not watchdog the MACHINE that is our government, changing the face we put on it does not change anything EXCEPT that...the face.
We, the people, have allowed the MACHINE to use the media to strip us of our thirst for truth by tricking is into believing what THEY tell us. As responsible people we can't sit back and allow this to continue. We are entitled to the truth, and we are not getting it... because we are not DEMANDING it. There are major deceptions at work in the American Government and the longer we ignore them, the more we become them. When founded as a nation, we were entitled to some basic liberties needed to sustain ourselves. Most of those are no longer ours. They are regulated by the MACHINE that is our govt today. So Feel free to argue for or against Obama... and while you are doing that, some of us will be watching to keep what remaining liberties we have just that... liberties.

Chaotic said...

Furthermore, i agree with cgoyette's statement :: "Once a critical mass of people awakens, the opportunity to enslave the world will cease to exist."

Stand up, people... take notice, pay attention, be heard.

Oliver said...

What I am talking about is that if the apathic Americans continue to sit on their ass and not speak up for themselves and demand accurrate representation in government that it is a real possibility that such things can happen...or are you one of those people that deny that the Holocaust happened?

Victor said...

It maybe one of Aesop's fables but it sure rings true today. From the fable the Wolf and the Lamb:

A tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny!

Russell said...

Do I really need to point out that capitalism is also an 'ism'.

It's important to be vigilant against tyranny. But, can anyone name a single freedom that we've lost in 60 years?

Ronnie said...

Re: Robert J. Sodaro said...
Here’s what I noticed.

2) There is a backwards-hanging American flag (in the first minute, the blue star field is ALWAYS in the upper left)

If you are refering to the flag hanging vertically, then the blue will be on the right side of the flag. It is only on the left side if hanging horizontally.

Ronnie Smith

Auburn said...

So, democracy is people who want things and promise congressmen their votes; and in return for those votes, the congressmen promises that Government will do things for them and they pass laws like welfare and anti-capitalist measures.

And what is that called? DEMOCRACY

Unless you take the votes away from the poor and lazy people.

Ever seen ANY democracy that didn't become more socialist and anti-capitalist as time went on? Its natural. The only remedy is dictatorship.

Did Reagan create either smaller government or lower taxes? Nope. He increased the size of government. Bush on the other hand just kept increasing the big government and spending, but lowered taxes. And look where we are now?

No politician has shrunk government yet. Clinton actually came the closest.

So I gather that Capitalists think we should go to another system of government than Democracy? because thats the only way you'll ever decrease the size of government.

Bob said...

Auburn,

We're a representative democracy, sure... but this is tempered by the Republic, which gives power to the minorities.

Some feel we are more of a Republic than a Democracy. Others feel we are more of a Democracy than a Republic.

I feel both are right... in that we are an equal mixture of the two... where in some cases, the majority wins and the minority loses... and in other cases, the minority has power of the majority.

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Jon said...

OK---so don't read this cartoon between the lines. Take it at face value. Don't blame any administration for the problems we face today. Blame our "APATHY". When in graduate school, in my political science class, we had a local congressman give us a presentation. The one thing I came away with was the statement "You elect us because you cannot make the important intelligent decisions that are needed." This guy never got re-elected. Think about that! We are what we make things to be. Why are more and more older citizens selling everything they own and hitting the road in an RV? Political intrusion into their lives. I've asked and that was the answer that I've received more than not. I don't think running away is the answer, but they are tired and they think they need to. The men, women and children in this country have stood and fought for what was right time and again. Perhaps it is time to do that again!

Warren said...

Auburn & Bob:
"When asked what type of government the American people were going to participate in, by a well-meaning woman, a stern Benjamin Franklin warned that our new government was going to be "A republic, madam, if you can keep it.""

Ours is supposed to be "a government of laws, not of men". Our Founders were very careful to avoid creating a 'democracy', which would be just the opposite. They gave us a Constitutional Republic; democratic, in that the citizens elected their representatives by vote. But it was to be fundamentally a Republic, with clear Constitutional restraints to bind the power federal government would be allowed to exercise over the States, and the People.

I just wanted to clear that up; since the federal government has presumed to direct 'public education' I doubt if it's taught in schools these days.

Please pray for our Republic.

Bob said...

@Warren,

Right. You just repeated what I said, but reworded it. Thanks for agreeing with me. Whether you call it greenish blue or bluish green, we're still on the same page.

We are in a Constitutional Republic perpetuated by a Representative Democracy.

Warren said...

Yep Bob... or at least, we USED to be. I believe almost every major problem this country has ever faced has been a direct result of a departure from the principles set forth in our Founding Documents.

Everything government provides, it controls, and I know (as our Founders knew) that government is inherently an evil thing. So they carefully crafted our Republic to be self-limiting, confining its powers to those issues enumerated in the Constitution. While they were at it, they gave the government certain functions for which it is responsible, and they did not give it the power to shirk those responsibilities.

Today I am retired on disability, subsisting on Social Security, which should not exist. Am I glad I get that check every month? You bet! Am I grateful for it? Of course not! The scumbags are begrudgingly returning some of the money they've been embezzling from me all my working life! If they'd minded their own business and let me keep my earnings I might have invested that money to better advantage. Of course I might not have, but as a free man that should be my choice, to prosper or fail by virtue of my own resources. As it now stands, THEY control the fruit of my past labor and dole it out as they see fit.

There is no Constitutional justification for this, or for so many things the federal government now controls. It's now minding OUR business and neglecting its own, such as securing our borders. And these are just a couple of examples in which it has assumed powers NOT granted, while shirking responsibilities Constitutionally required of it.

Just a few thoughts from my cave...

Joe said...

Obama was for change. People just didn't realize he is for a change from a Christian and Biblical standard to a non-christian diverse standard that will accept non-christian ideas.

kendelmar said...

To Rae Sanborn, I totally love your reference to Rush Lumpjaw ! Now there is a SCARY GUY ! How short are the memories of some when they forget the old Rush was standing on corners to buy oxycontin . I believe he was addicted to the this painkiller while he was spewing out his poison on the airwaves. If you think things are bad now, just keep listening to that windbag. Now there is a TOTAL THREAT ! !!! As far as all of this Christian
stuff, have any of you looked at
any of the photos from the Hubble
Space Telescope and seen the many
new galaxies that have been discovered ???? I wonder how many days it to the Divine One to create those ??? If you look at the real problem on this planet,
not just the USA, it is our ability
to continue to wage war and kill our fellow human beings in the name of God!!!
Amen brothers & sisters !!!!

Bob said...

@Warren,

It is my opinion that we still are. Until someone says that no laws can be changed, I will still believe that we are a Republic which is defined by Representative Democracy.

Keep in mind that Obama undid a bunch of the things Bush did already. If Obama can do that, he (or a future President) can "undo" Social Security. In the meantime, just because you are in the minority doesn't mean that the capacity for change isn't there, it just means you are surrounded by people who don't think like you.

Bob said...

@Joe,

I'm not sure what this Christian and Biblical standard is you are talking about. Unless you're talking about the Bible.

The Constitution, on the other hand, has nothing to do with Christianity. If it did, the First Amendment wouldn't exist as it does.

Just because man's laws says you won't be thrown in prison if you cheat on your wife, this doesn't mean you are forced to cheat on your wife. While the Bible may hold more important moral truths for mankind, it doesn't mean that man's laws needs to be based on it. The only thing man's laws need to be concerned with is giving people the freedom to make religious choices (First Amendment) and then get out of the way.

This is already the case. So, unless you think that Obama is repealing the First Amendment, you're clearly confused.

Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.

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Certo said...

Line by line response to ROBERT J SODARO:

1) The cartoon presupposes a Christian America (“To Mom it is church on Sunday morning”), leaving out all Jews, Muslims, and all other non-Christian faiths,

RESPONSE: Maybe you weren't alive or old enough in 1949.

Two things: One, no matter the beliefs or lack thereof of some of the founders, they all took a back seat to biblical, Judeo-Christian law... at least within the context of the Ten Commandments. If you don't already know, go read America's found documents and letters. They are rife with rhetoric that is unquestionably Christian. The power of the church in early America became somewhat like what they fled in coming here. Rhode Island was a safe zone established by Roger Williams from the tyranny of the European-style Christian church.

Two, for the duration of this great nation, Jews who have made their homes here understood and accepted the Christian influence over our government. It has been in the name of Christianity and the overall fact that America is Christian that even they have borne many hardships. African slaves soon embraced Christianity and established chapels and a strong core of Christian dogmas. Consider the National Anthem: "Battle Hymn of the Republic." "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord," says the first line. No other religion can write such a line. Other religions are looking for messiahs, etc. But only Christianity is looking for "the coming of the Lord." Never mind Matraia; early America rejected Christmas. (For those who would argue that many things done were not from "true Christianity," that distinction is moot in this discussion. They, for the most part, believed their distinctives were true and acted accordingly.)

Today, Israel is attempting to maintain the same idea of tolerance. Modern Israel's religion began as Judaism. The only problem is that their tolerance has allowed another religion that wants to obliterate the former religion and establish the tyranny of one religion. Today's American "melting pot" has flamed up so that the smelting pot itself has lost its temperment.

Remember, He who speaks hollow words draws from an insufficient bank account.
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2) There is a backwards-hanging American flag (in the first minute, the blue star field is ALWAYS in the upper left)

RESPONSE: I believe someone above pointed out the rotation of the flag in the cartoon. But no one has yet to prove your canard that the stars are always in the upper left. Walk out to any flag pole and if needed, walk around to the other side. You'll be amazed.

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Certo said...

Line by line response to ROBERT J SODARO continued:

3) It is sexist (the jury whistling at the woman on the stand)

RESPONSE: I don't know where you've been or how old you are; but one thing is evident: you lack some basic knowledge of American behavior. Just as true as many treated African immigrants and natural born "Negroes," as less than equals, sexism was, and still is, interwoven. It has been only in the last several years that the problem has come to the forefront. The military has had to deal with it through the years. If you think there hasn't been many bad judgments from the bench due to a "looker" on trial, you are indeed ignorant. There have been men, especially Black men, wrongfully imprisoned and killed over lies involving white women. While the scene in the cartoon may indeed be be "sexist," it reflects both the times and the point of the entire message.

Next time you speak, make sure you know the facts and present balance.
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Oh, yeah, anytime a people give up their civil liberties for a small measure of security, they gain neither liberty nor security.

RESPONSE: Historical lies crimp freedom. Brainwashing destroys free, objective thought in the absence of truth. Your very comments, by default, are freedom robbing.

Oh, maybe you missed the observation by "John Q. Public" when he stated our system may not be perfect. And as so many others, mainly focused on defending their Christianity, have stated, your petty jibes miss the point of the cartoon.

Might I suggest you spend some time in an old library?

Certo

Certo said...

I have no idea why the first post is duplicated. No, I didn't double-click Publish, etc. Please know I don't like it either.

Certo

Warren said...

@ Bob, I largely agree with you here. But the Constitution set specific functions to be assumed by the federal government, and the 10th amendment basically says if the Constitution does not grant a specific power to the government, it cannot assume that power, period.

Of course the Founders knew future circumstances would arise to necessitate changes, so they included a process by which the Constitution may be amended. But they wisely made this a difficult process in order to limit our human tendency to make permanent, fundamental changes on the basis of frivolous or temporary whims.

My point to all this (and I believe, theirs) is if the People or government decides there should be, say, a Department of Education, that's just fine, but FIRST an amendment must be passed to accommodate it, because the Constitution makes no such accommodation. This same reasoning can cover a vast portion of power the government has by now seized with no Constitutional authority whatsoever.

I should be clear about something of myself here: I'm neither democrat nor republican. I consider partisan politics nothing but a distraction, a dog-and-pony show to keep us divided so the real evil can proceed apace. Think about this a minute now. When the Republicans are in power, one segment of the population (gays, pro-choicers, etc.) suffers a loss of Liberty. When the Democrats are running the show, the opposite (Evangelical Christians, pro-2nd amendment folks, etc.) suffers the same. In either case the only winner is the federal government, seizing ever more power and treasure from the States, and the People. My friend, this is precisely what our Constitution was designed to avoid.

And BTW, I too am a Christian, but I believe we agree our government must be religiously neutral. My religious beliefs will affect my vote to a point, but not to the extent of limiting the religious freedom of anyone else. None of us is entitled to any greater Liberty than we are willing to extend to others. For instance, on the issue of same-sex marriage: I don't personally believe in it, but what business is it of the government? To me marriage is a sacred covenant between a man, a woman, and God. And to some folks it might be something else entirely, but in any event I don't believe God has requested the government's help with this. To me the very fact that government makes this personal matter its business is far more obscene than anything consenting adults might choose for themselves.

Bob said...

@Certo,

I would have forgiven your double-posts as a technical problem unrelated to you, but now you've added an additional post only apologizing for the behavior, and that just makes it worse. ;)

(j/k)

Maybe I'm making it worse by replying. :D

Perhaps there is a poorly designed web accelerator or caching mechanism that is responsible for the double-posts.

Bob said...

@Warren,

On the matter of same-sex marriage, we both agree completely and you said it well. The only thing I want to add to it is... God has the power to forgive. Forgiveness has no place in government. The law is the law. So, when we implement God's will as the letter of man's law, we ignore God's grace and forgiveness.

Anyway, regarding the Department of Education... and presumably all other departments of the Cabinet... I refer you to Article II, Section 2.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; HE MAY REQUIRE THE OPINION, IN WRITING, OF THE PRINCIPLE OFFICER OF EACH OF THE EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS, UPON ANY SUBJECT RELATING TO THE DUTIES OF THEIR RESPECTIVE OFFICES, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

The Constitution does not go into what the executive departments will be, how many there will be, or what their duties should be.

The first cabinet, that of George Washington, consisted of only four department heads; those of State, Treasury, War, and the Attorney General. The names are familiar: Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Henry Knox, and Edmund Randolph held the offices respectively. What had been four departments is now fifteen.

And then there is Article I, Section 8:

[The Congress shall have power...] To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Now, you can argue that the Arts and federal influence in education are not "necessary" nor "proper," but at some point Congress certainly thought so. How I see it, what happens is Congress continues to make one law after another after another that it deems necessary and proper. Over time, these laws have common themes. Education... The Arts... and so on. To help manage the mess, there was a need to build a federal institution (department) to enforce these themes of law, which is constitutional.

Again, the Department of Education cannot simply make its own laws... it only exists to provide the "opinion, in writing" based on already existing laws approved by Congress.

So, if you're looking to point fingers regarding laws... don't point at the lawyers... or at the judges... but at the law itself and how or why it got passed... and which Congress passed it. Likewise, the problem doesn't lie with the Department of Education or any other department of the Cabinet... but, perhaps, in the various laws passed by Congress in those individual themes.

With each subsequent Congress... and each passing day in which laws can be passed or changed... we have the opportunity to fix these problems. However, again, the problem doesn't lie with the people hired to manage it all... they're just federal officers, hired to manage the boat loads of information... but it lies with members of Congress who passed the specific laws you have a problem with. The recourse we all have is to pick our representatives wisely... and if we can't trust any of them, to run for office ourselves.

Katie O'Keefe said...

Didn't know they made color cartoons way back then! The message I see is one of self reliance. ALL of us need to learn to push AWAY from the table of government services. All the layers of all the departments of our government are weighing us down, like so many extra pounds of FAT.

If you're lucky enough to be a government employee, congratulations! You probably have better job security, benefits, pension, than those of us in the private sector. I can't say that I'd blame you for voting to keep government growing. (I know how it goes: if you don't spend all the $$ in your budget, you lose it - for the following year too).

But you probably still couldn't outnumber the rest of the private sector votes.... unless-----many of us were being bought out by some kind of services / subsidies to which we've become addicted.

And now, there are simply more on the receiving end than there are on the paying-into end. So we are now seeing what happens when there really is no budget, and no one responsible enough to say "no".

Warren said...

@Bob,
Well, let's look at this: "[The Congress shall have power...] To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

The way I read this, it confines Congressional lawmaking to 'all powers vested by this Constitution'. Again using education as an example, since no such power was thus vested, it seems clear to me if Congress wanted to pass such laws a Constitutional amendment would be required.

Please understand, I'm not trying to be argumentative here. I am seriously trying to understand the Constitutional justification for some of these actions. I respect your thoughts on these matters and am not trying to change your thinking, but to understand it better.

Bob said...

@Warren,

This raises the question... do you believe that the only rights we have are the rights that are clearly outlined in the Constitution (mainly, the Bill of Rights)? Or, do you hold the belief that, as determined by the people, we have rights that predate the Constitution which were not meant to be trampled on by it, and we have rights which can post-date the Constitution that do not require an amendment to be rights held by the people?

I believe the Ninth Amendment suggest that we have certain rights, by the will of the people, whether or not these rights have been outlined in the Constitution. Likewise, I believe that the right to an education is one of these rights.

Finally, I feel that it is within the power of Congress to enact laws to protect these rights, which they have.

Have they gone about it perfectly? Absolutely not. And that's where the people need to make themselves heard through their representatives, or by becoming representatives themselves.

Warren said...

@Bob,
I don't believe the Constitution was intended to 'give' us rights, but to limit the power of the federal government. That is, unless a particular right was not explicitly reserved for the federal government in the Constitution itself, any decision on the exercise of that right fell to the States, then to the People.

I agree everyone is entitled to an education, and will certainly get one, of one sort or another. But I expect our definition of 'education' differs considerably. Also - and I consider this of the utmost importance - remember that everything the government provides, it also controls. Also as I mentioned earlier, I consider any government to be inherently evil, and our Founders obviously did too. They sought, through the Constitution, to limit its reach, and therefore the impact of its mischief.

Bob, children are born with starving minds, ready to soak up knowledge as quickly as they can access and process it. I have a number of problems with public education other than Constitutional issues. First, each child has a different rate for processing information, and this begins at birth. Also I believe at birth that processing rate is wide open, only to be gradually throttled down by various stimuli, or lack thereof. Under favorable circumstances,by the time an 'average' child enters kindergarten age (s)he should have accumulated a vast amount of basic knowledge, while maintaining much of the intellectual hunger from birth.

Public education contributes to problems here in at least two ways. First, it encourages many parents to rely far too heavily on it for the children's education, squandering if not stunting their most valuable learning years. I believe these years need to be spent in a gently challenging, stimulating home environment because it is here the foundation is set for their life's learning.

And second, would YOU entrust your child's education to anything as corruptible as a federal government? These days I can assure you I would not. Public education has become public indoctrination. It was bad enough when I was in school in the '50s & '60s but I assure you today in many ways it is much worse. Children's natural curiosity was limited and channeled to a great extent back then; now it is all but denied.

I had the mixed blessing/curse of a very keen mind. When my natural talents and intellectual curiosities were found to be inconvenient they were discouraged. That was, and is, the nature of public education. I really pity today's gifted children who are forced to endure such unmitigated boredom, with our incompetent government deciding what should or should not be taught. Young children strive to learn until that natural urge is conditioned away. I know sadly this happens in far too many homes, but it can be counted upon to occur in a public school environment. The truth is, there is much truth the government doesn't want us to know, and we certainly can't expect it to be taught under federal guidance in public schools.

I expect you will disagree with much of what I have written here and again, I hope you won't view this as an argument. I can learn little from those with whom I completely agree, and I am no teacher. I find it both refreshing and enlightening to engage in civil dialogue with reasonable, intelligent people. Thank you for your responses.

Bob said...

@Warren,

"I expect you will disagree with much of what I have written here and again, I hope you won't view this as an argument."

No worries. I really do agree with most of what you're saying, I just don't quite see it with as much of an emphasis of an evil government trying to take over the world. However, power does corrupt... and there is no doubt that there is much corruption in government.

Personally, I think one of the biggest mistakes was changing how the President and Vice President is selected. Previously, all of the candidates ran equally... not as pairs... but as potential Presidents. The one with the most electoral votes became President... the one with the second most electoral votes became Vice President. (I may be over simplifying it, but it was roughly along these lines.)

Then, at some point, it was decided that this could be a "problem" if we end up with a President and a Vice President who disagree with each other. Nothing would get done, I'd imagine they'd think. Bad move.

What this really did was took out another element of healthy debate from the White House. The last thing we need is a bunch of "yes people". Of course, having just a bunch of "no people" hurts as well. Our representatives and other public servants should really stick to what the people they represent want, and stop thinking along "party lines".

You said it best with, "I can learn little from those with whom I completely agree."

On a side note, it sounds like we had similar educational backgrounds. In 4th grade, I got in trouble a lot. I was bored. So, sometimes they would send me to the kindergarten class as punishment. When this didn't work, they sent me to sit with the 5th grade class with a particularly intimidating teacher. While sitting in the back of that class during my "punishment", I found a nice brand new dictionary on a bookshelf. I stole it. In addition, the teacher was teaching long division to the 5th graders. I had never heard of this before. It piqued my curiosity.

When I got home, I asked my mom about long division and thankfully, she was in banking... so the process was still relevant to her. She taught it to me, and this started me on the road of being "ahead of my class".

Fast forward a couple of years. In 6th grade, the teacher recognized that I was doing exceptionally well in Math, so he gave me a test... to test my comprehension of algebra. I did very well, apparently. He taught an 8th grade algebra class and he was working (fighting) with the school administration to let me be in his 8th grade algebra class when I entered 7th grade.

They denied his request. The reasoning was that if I took algebra in 7th grade, they'd have nothing more advanced to provide for me in 8th grade, as algebra was the highest class in that particular school (6th-8th was middle school then). So, I was essentially "forced" to deal with the pace of Mathematics at the rate the school was prepared for. Ultimately, I reached Calculus in my senior year of high school. I also managed Physics and Advanced Physics in high school.

I still have that (stolen) dictionary to this day... and most of what I have learned has been outside of school. I taught myself programming around age 12, because it fascinated me. Once in high school, I tried taking a computer course, and it was all about PASCAL, which seemed ancient to me at the time. I learned nothing new from it, short of learning (and quickly forgetting) PASCAL during that year of high school.

Bob said...

So yes, I definitely feel that there is a problem with our public school system. I don't believe this is a problem with the Department of Education, however. I feel that there were problems with schools that the Department of Education resolved... but there are some problems that such a bloated department can never solve.

I'm very hopeful that the Internet can eventually solve some of these problems. By putting classrooms "online"... the best solutions can rise to the surface. There will be no more concern about a single poor quality school in a low population area either closing down entirely or staying open and remaining poor quality. Instead, as long as we fight to make sure everyone has Internet access, hopefully we can provide options of education online.

Back to the topic of the Department of Education. I believe less than 10% of funds for elementary and secondary education comes from the Department of Education. Over 90% comes from State, local, and private sources. So, I think the Department of Education's role is a little overblown. As far as I am aware, it only exists to "fill in the gaps" where State and local governments are in a bind and have no other solution than to cease providing education for a group of individuals.

Before the Internet existed... what would one expect to be done in an area where no private option (or only one private option existed with no competition)... and the public option was failing, with the State or local government unable to dig themselves out of a hole?

While I agree that free competition should be left "as-is" and sometimes this means that there are successes and sometimes there are just failures, I don't always agree that some parents should have to just deal with the fact that there are no options to educate their child, short of trying to teach their child everything they know, or uprooting their family and moving to another location.

I don't think it's unfair (nor totalitarian) for the federal government to, at the request of the people through their representatives in government, make a safety net available so that the availability of education options are a right and not merely a privilege.

If the Department of Education starts supplying 20%, 30%, 40% and so on of educational funding, then I will absolutely agree with you that it needs to be chopped off at the legs before it gets out of hand.

The great thing is, even though we have some common ground that we agree on, we still have the freedom to disagree with each other. More importantly, let's hope that never gets taken away. Actually, let's not just hope... let's MAKE SURE that never gets taken away.

Certo said...

Line by line response to ROBERT J SODARO:

1) The cartoon presupposes a Christian America (“To Mom it is church on Sunday morning”), leaving out all Jews, Muslims, and all other non-Christian faiths,

RESPONSE: Maybe you weren't alive or old enough in 1949.

Two things: One, no matter the beliefs or lack thereof of some of the founders, they all took a back seat to biblical, Judeo-Christian law... at least within the context of the Ten Commandments. If you don't already know, go read America's found documents and letters. They are rife with rhetoric that is unquestionably Christian. The power of the church in early America became somewhat like what they fled in coming here. Rhode Island was a safe zone established by Roger Williams from the tyranny of the European-style Christian church.

Two, for the duration of this great nation, Jews who have made their homes here understood and accepted the Christian influence over our government. It has been in the name of Christianity and the overall fact that America is Christian that even they have borne many hardships. African slaves soon embraced Christianity and established chapels and a strong core of Christian dogmas. Consider the National Anthem: "Battle Hymn of the Republic." "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord," says the first line. No other religion can write such a line. Other religions are looking for messiahs, etc. But only Christianity is looking for "the coming of the Lord." Never mind Matraia; early America rejected Christmas. (For those who would argue that many things done were not from "true Christianity," that distinction is moot in this discussion. They, for the most part, believed their distinctives were true and acted accordingly.)

Today, Israel is attempting to maintain the same idea of tolerance. Modern Israel's religion began as Judaism. The only problem is that their tolerance has allowed another religion that wants to obliterate the former religion and establish the tyranny of one religion. Today's American "melting pot" has flamed up so that the smelting pot itself has lost its temperment.

Remember, He who speaks hollow words draws from an insufficient bank account.
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2) There is a backwards-hanging American flag (in the first minute, the blue star field is ALWAYS in the upper left)

RESPONSE: I believe someone above pointed out the rotation of the flag in the cartoon. But no one has yet to prove your canard that the stars are always in the upper left. Walk out to any flag pole and if needed, walk around to the other side. You'll be amazed.

More...

Certo said...

3) It is sexist (the jury whistling at the woman on the stand)

RESPONSE: I don't know where you've been or how old you are; but one thing is evident: you lack some basic knowledge of American behavior. Just as true as many treated African immigrants and natural born "Negroes," as less than equals, sexism was, and still is, interwoven. It has been only in the last several years that the problem has come to the forefront. The military has had to deal with it through the years. If you think there hasn't been many bad judgments from the bench due to a "looker" on trial, you are indeed ignorant. There have been men, especially Black men, wrongfully imprisoned and killed over lies involving white women. While the scene in the cartoon may indeed be be "sexist," it reflects both the times and the point of the entire message.

Next time you speak, make sure you know the facts and present balance.
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Oh, yeah, anytime a people give up their civil liberties for a small measure of security, they gain neither liberty nor security.

RESPONSE: Historical lies crimp freedom. Brainwashing destroys free, objective thought in the absence of truth. Your very comments, by default, are freedom robbing.

Oh, maybe you missed the observation by "John Q. Public" when he stated our system may not be perfect. And as so many others, mainly focused on defending their Christianity, have stated, your petty jibes miss the point of the cartoon.

Might I suggest you spend some time in an old library?

Certo

cgoyette said...

I have enjoyed and appreciated many of the comments expressed here. It is unfortunate however that the left-right paradigm still fuels many of the arguments. This ruse only distracts and divides us. It is time to transcend this paradigm to larger abstractions of power and control. Careful review of history should convince us of the horrors of Big Government and its predictable collapse under its own weight.

I’ve grown weary of the seemingly endless struggle to find common ground in the body politic. How can we find solutions when we can’t even agree on our underlying problems? My personal frustration from these exchanges at times leads me to temporary depression. When asked why I bother in what appears to be such a fruitless endeavor my reply is that I must never give up trying. I think this is the crux of our problem! Many of us have given up (or are too busy!) instead of fighting for what we believe in.

This is a catastrophic situation which aides and abets our common enemy. The world’s elite, which hide behind the puppets that pretend to have our interest at heart, are robbing us of our humanity right under our noses. They preach conciliation but execute strategies designed to divide and conquer us. They have done a magnificent job! Today we find ourselves a deeply divided nation on the brink of losing our national sovereignty.

The economic collapse of 2008 was yet another orchestrated event not unlike other false flag events that the powers that be have used to further their global agenda. The long-term ramifications from this last event will be the death kneel for our dollar and with it the wealth of the middle-class, the engine of our national economy. Many refuse to believe in such a purposeful destructive act. These same people refuse to believe that 9-11 was a contrived event emanating from the bowels of our government. They only have to open their eyes and critically observe the images from that fateful day, permanently engrained in our minds, to see the truth.

History is replete with all we need to formulate the inevitable conclusion that we are and always have been under control of a dark power posing as a benevolent one. The early Church is a classic example having persevered in Europe during the Dark Ages when everything else fell to ruin. They were behind virtually every king and queen from that time forward. They teach God as a power we must fear and tithe to through their Church but hold out the knowledge that We the People of the earth are powerful spiritual beings capable of self-rule. We certainly don’t need the trappings of Big Government. We only have to look at the indigenous peoples of the world for evidence. They have persevered for hundreds of thousands of years. We on the other hand have a mere couple thousand years of history from which we have managed virtually to exterminate them and in the process enslave ourselves.

Bob said...

@cgoyette,

"I've grown weary of the seemingly endless struggle to find common ground in the body politic. How can we find solutions when we can't even agree on our underlying problems?"

I would only worry if the seemingly endless struggle ceased to exist and we regularly found common ground without struggle. We would then surely be in big trouble.

Even the Constitution was written with much debate. Even after it was written and signed, there was still dissension.

The point is, our system of government works on the principle of "the wisdom of the crowd". The wisdom of the crowd requires that each person acts as a distinct individual, unchanged by any other individual. From our collective ideas, an aggregate solution is found. This solution will often be better than that by any single "expert".

The problem arises when we convince each other to change. When we all try to find common ground and cease to disagree and, instead, agree only for the sake of stopping the debate. In doing so, the wisdom of the crowd falls apart. It starts becoming the wisdom of the common ideal. This leads to problems - it rarely works - and the wisdom of the crowds is drowned out by the so-called utopia. Once the honeymoon is over, everyone goes back to disagreeing... but by then, it's too late. The "ideal" is in control, now. The crowd is now being controlled by a machine of their own design... a machine which has taken on a life of its own.

So, let's go back to disagreeing. Let's go back to maintaining our unique opinions. Let's go back to the wisdom of the crowds. The only mistake is to think that disagreement means failure and agreement means success.

NCPatriot said...

A lot of truth there. And now the live version:

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cgoyette said...

@Bob,

With all due respect, it seems that you write only to read your own words.

I answered the question that you singled out but you used it instead as an excuse to write in this forum, one that you have dominated with your circular arguments. You offer us poetry! We need practical solutions!

Before we can solve a problem, we need a consensus of what problem we are trying to solve. At some point, the arguments must cease so we can move on to the solution otherwise we play right into the hands of our masters.

Enough of rhetorical arguments!

pickengrin said...

Regnad Kcin - I find it amusing that you list multiple replys and moderate this forum (ie.."First paragraph fine") haha. Pointing a finger at grammatical errors and name calling do not garnish your words well. If anything a looking glass into the unfortunate story of a poet who now uses his brilliance to attack those with opposing views.

I feel this cartoon was about all of the WORKING parts WORKING together for the betterment of our society. (Now the first paragraph is a contradictory point...only stated to show your own hipocracy. Im trying to WORK with "you".)


Our nation produces few goods in 2009. Our souls have been sold out from under us in the name of cheap price and we are chasing cheap to the bottom.
Labor cost and US policy makes foreign market profits appealing to domestic manufacturers. A nation that produces nothing yields nothing. No job...no wage. No wage...no goods.

You stupid nose! I oughtta cut you off for shootin my foot!

We the people are the problem with our country today.

Billy H said...

It shows that people were led to irrational, unreal fears 60 years ago just as they are today. I notice that we still (in 2009)
have strikes, unions, capitalist investing, private ownership of farms...

Bob said...

@cgoyette,

With all due respect, I haven't seen you say anything that isn't rhetorical.

I am flattered that you considered my writings to be poetry. Really, I am. However, I see the idea of wisdom of the crowd as being more of a science than of prose.

You seek to unify (bias) everyone so that the opinions of many reflect the opinions of a few. I seek to ensure this doesn't happen.

"we need a consensus of what problem we are trying to solve"

This consensus was already written down many years ago in the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

When any one of us does not feel free or happy, this goal (lofty as it may seem) has failed to be achieved. So, we must each speak up when we feel our unalienable rights are being trampled upon. If you have the charisma, run for office and represent the people. If you don't have charisma, elect the representative that you feel will represent your interests. Through this representation will come "the wisdom of the crowd" and good things will come about. Things will never be perfect, but they will be the best that is possible given our nature.

That's not rhetoric. That's the foundation by which our government exists. Unless, of course, you see the Declaration of Independence and subsequently the Constitution as being nothing but poetry, with no solutions. If that's the case, I'd be interested in hearing your alternative.

Raphael Hythloday said...

Well, considering the argumentative attitudes displayed by the posts above it doesn't seem that the cartoon's call for unity is working. Yeesh.

Raphael Hythloday said...

Besides, the -ISM is Communism plain and simple, note the evils that the characters see when they drink: all powerful state, nationalization of industry, the state as the judge and jury, taking of private property, abolition of the individual, collective farms, state planning, concentration camps (gulags), and indoctrination of the state mantra (the record player scene).

That may have already been posted but with 360 plus posts and me being at work, I wasn't going to read them all; but if most of you want to argue about Obama and Bush with a little Clinton and Reagan thrown in, I guess that's ok. Free speech ya know.

Gracie said...

Watch until the end when John Q. Public comments: when anyone preaches disunity by pitting us against each other through class warfare, race or religious intolerance, they are robbing us of our freedoms. Sounds like our legislative body and our executive branch in 2009? Wake up, America, or we will soon cease to be the land of the free and the home of the brave. Wake up, wake up, wake up...

Lew White said...

The real threat is the so-called "New World Order" (the Jesuit Order to be specific. This entity is crouching to kill, steal, and destroy in the guise of the "United Nations". It is the enemy of the nation of Israel, which should speak volumes to most sensible people. Jesuit ownership in industries, medias, and infiltration in government may cause the world to eventually reach a tipping-point, then through "treaties", the whole world will be dominated by the NWO/Jesuit/United Nations.
We are all being enslaved slowly, and need to wake up and vote the lawyers out of government.

Lew White said...

The real threat is the so-called "New World Order" (the Jesuit Order to be specific. This entity is crouching to kill, steal, and destroy in the guise of the "United Nations". It is the enemy of the nation of Israel, which should speak volumes to most sensible people. Jesuit ownership in industries, medias, and infiltration in government may cause the world to eventually reach a tipping-point, then through "treaties", the whole world will be dominated by the NWO/Jesuit/United Nations.
We are all being enslaved slowly, and need to wake up and vote the lawyers out of government.

jdm777 said...

The corporate greed in this country is unbelievable !. It's been going on for decades, but recently came to light with all the media attention of: "Enron", "Worldcom", "Exxon/Mobil", Wallstreet's white collar criminals etc. Lets'start forcing our State/Federal governments to help get the unemployment rate way down, and get Americans back to work !. Also, lets' get all the Corporations that were given huge tax incentives to go overseas,by the last admin. back in this country !.

Robert said...

To all you hysterics who are crying "Socialism" and think Obama is looking to turn the U.S. into China or Russia. Please read a newspaper. A quick lesson, Socialism is a system where government controls the means of production and distribution. That isn't even remotely what has happened here. The government doesn't "control" the auto industry or even the banks. It doesn't control the means of distribution. It stepped in to avert a financial catastrophe brought on by the Bush/GOP policies. It was the Bush/Cheney regime that allowed people to be taken from the streets without cause and held indefinitely. They brought torture to this nation. They gave our treasure to the richest 1% creating a huge deficit. They created a gap of 400% in disparity between the wealthiest earners and everyone else. They manufactured evidence to start a war. They committed treason by revealing the identity of a CIA agent. They sent our military into combat poorly equipped. They passed a medicaid law that gave $500 billion to pharmaceutical companies. They allowed a U.S. city to drown. They put unqualified sycophants in virtually every important government position. They politicized the Justice Department. They had people sign loyalty oaths at campaign rallies. They allowed the eavesdropping of our phones and emails. They rigged elections by denying people the right to vote. After 8 dismal years we finally voted, by an overwhelming majority a new administration that was left with a collapsing economy, days away from a 2nd Great Depression, two badly managed wars, and a massive deficit brought on by their ill conceived tax cuts for the wealthy. Meanwhile Obama has stabilized our banks, prevented the auto industry from collapsing, prevented a million home foreclosures, saved or created 1 million jobs that would have been lost, slowed job ,losses by two thirds, created 3.5% growth in the GDP, made billions for the treasury from banks repaying their handouts, Stop whining. Have you all forgotten how awful the Bush/Cheney years have been and how utterly wrong the GOP policies are?

cp256 said...

Boy, what to add?

I guess I am most saddened by the number of ideological sheeple who seem to be willing to submit to whatever the power mongers decree.

Bush sucked and Obama sucks worse. We're nearing the bottom of the swirl in the porcelain commode.

Robert said...

Anyone who just sobs that "Bush is bad and Obama is bad" is just ranting. How can anyone compare the fiasco that was the Bush/Cheney administration with all that Obama has had to deal with in just his first 8 months? Bush was an imperial son of a wealthy connected family who allowed his regents, Cheyney and Rumsfeld take over his presidency. He gave up the running of the Iraqui mess to Cheney aides Wolfowitz and Feith and was oblivious to the mess being created there just as he was oblivious to the Katrina disaster. Bush lived his whole life knowing that whatever went wrong his daddy and daddy's friends and money would bail him out. Bush played out is twisted relationship with his father in the Oval Office. He went to war just to show how tough he was. Trying to one up his father. Then it all went to hell. He let Cheney manufacture intelligence and instead of listening to military men who all said we needed a few hundred thousand troops, he allowed Rumsfeld to send a smaller army and they quickly lost the country. Same in Afghanistan. Both wars should have been over 4 years ago. As for our economy, Bush entered office with a $250 billion surplus. He left with $1.3 trillion deficit. His tax cut for the rich will ultimately cost us $2.4 trillion, more than twice what healthcare will cost. As for Cheney, he will be investigated for lying under oath about who leaked the CIA agent's identity. This is a man who when confronted with news articles from Plame's husband Wilson, which had his handwritten notes on it about Plame being a CIA operative, Cheney said it's his handwriting but he doesn't know why he wrote what he did. He answered more than 70 times that he couldn't remember when questioned about this whole affair. The Bush/Cheney regime will go down as one of the worst administrations in histroy. They killeed 150,000 Iraqis and 4000 Americans in Iraq supposedly to avenge the 3000 deaths here in 2001. These morons sent $9 billion in cash to Iraq which wound up being stolen and no one ever found it. $9 billion!!!!. Who do you think got that money? Not our friends. And all this after they allowed Bin Laden to escape in Tora Bora and Afghanistan to be over run by the Taliban. People wake up!

stingray777 said...

Bob said
"A true Christian wouldn't be so concerned about which man (or woman) is in the white house and would recognize God's sovereignty instead.

It was Bush who was "change" (for the worse) and it is Obama who is "hope" (for correction.)"
BALONEY!!!! We are in a DEMOCRACY.. WE use the Brain God Gave us and VOTE the ISSUES!!! the Bible says "My people PERISH for a Lack of KNOWLEDGE" and honestly?? a "TRUE CHRISTIAN" would not consider Obama, (Pro Abortion, and one who Considers Biblical Principles "Outdated Traditions" ) any sort of "hope" much less "correction"
so I dont think you know what a "True Christian" does or should believe...perhaps you need to keep your comments to the "hollyood crowd"

Robert Wrote "Here’s what I noticed.

1) The cartoon presupposes a Christian America (“To Mom it is church on Sunday morning”), leaving out all Jews, Muslims, and all other non-Christian faiths,

WRONG!!! it CLEARLY says... "To Worship God as THEY CHOOSE"

2) There is a backwards-hanging American flag (in the first minute, the blue star field is ALWAYS in the upper left)

I didnt see it, but I do know that in 1948 many times cartoons came out backwards when they were put onto reel.. so were movies actually from the print to the screen..

3) It is sexist (the jury whistling at the woman on the stand)

It was 1948.. you are judging the Period in which it was written, by 2009 thinking....which is both unfair and the typical liberal way of doing things.. your tactic of diverting from the CONTENT shall be exposed in this ONE QUESTION...
what does men whistling at a woman have to do with the POINT of the film??
and with a Ultra liberal 2009 way of thinking that is so much more superior... we now have Rap music, Pop Divas, and sex thrown into EVERYTHING, Everywhere.. you really are worried about cartoon men whistling at a woman????
HA...

philomena62 said...

I cannot see the photo, not evern from the forward I received. Blank screen with the outline box of a photo. Any suggestions? Very curious to see this.

SZQS said...

No one philosophy is absolute evil or absolute good. Some are merely more compatible than others with other philosophies already in use.

Take for instance the idea of using technology to do all the work. With our current set up, even when we get all the work done, people don't have the cash to afford the fruit of that work until they have made even more work for themselves. We then waste blood and sweat to make "centrifugal bumble puppies," (BNW reference) which are more a hindrance to society than a benefit. However, once we have a system that better incorporates our technological advances, we will be able to get all our work done with minimal manpower and resources, and then do something useful with what's left over. (I had been thinking about what it would be like if we spread out the workload of the useful jobs rather than sending the unemployed to the bumble-puppy factory. Maybe every individual would then have a bit more time in their lives to tend to the things that really matter. I don't really know though.)

I suppose though, the philosophy of democracy is one of the greatest political philosophies to build off of, and it is the most democratic force in the world, our economic system (not our government), that has shaped most of our world. You can't argue with the voice of the people as it sweeps across the world in great waves of green paper. The cash register is the ballot box with the highest turn out. I guess I'll just have to depend on the voters to be responsible.

I hope the thoughts I have to offer will be of use to somebody.

Johnny Guns said...

Sorry Robert Sodaro, the narration went "to mothers, it means Church on Sundays." There was no mention of "Christ" or Christians. Additionally, later on the narration suggests "freedom to worship God as one chooses."

Perhaps you should re-watch the cartoon before making such ridiculous comments.

But don't worry, Jesus loves you despite your ignorance.

Happy said...

I'm going to call this one a fake. Mixed races in the same classroom in 1948 ?!?!

In any case, a propaganda piece. Rears its head just in time for the Health Care Debacle. Obama sold out the people who elected him. All you right-wingers are getting exactly what you want... same as the last two presidential terms. Stop your whining.

terry said...

Harding College is a small Christian school in Arkansas....it tries to promote a specific world in which anarchy is the preferred system. Government is not the enemy, bad government is... it is the responsibility of the populace to oversee our government and insure government fully provides for our well-being as directed by the constitution.

The promotion of Capitalism as included in this very biased cartoon is an outside issue. The uninformed may not know that neither capitalism nor any other economic system are mentioned in the constitution. Rather, the constitution speaks to individual rights.

We have certainly come to realize that unbridled capitalism stinks.... or have we forgotten Bernie Madhoff, Enron et al already. Or maybe you feel $100,000,000 annual pay for bank executives is ok even as they foreclose yet another home. Government is our best means of managing an increasingly complex society. Lets all work to improve government; eliminating it is not only impossible but ill-conceived....after all, government is "us!" The shame falls on all the heads of those who would slander our current leaders instead of working with the elected leaders of this country to create a better society, one in which there are no people starving on our streets, one in which the religions and those who are not religious peacefully coexist without fear. Take the time you are all spending writing obnoxious rigtht wing diatribes and use that time to build a better country...volunteer to help your fellow Americans.

I am amazed that it is the very people capitalism has failed who are rallying along side this positive view of rampant capitalism. Americans work longer hours, have less vacation, have a lower standard of living and even a lower level of education than most other industrialized nations..... those nations often blend responsible government with capitalism in order to create a more powerful populace. It's time we in the US realize than big business (the stalwarts of capitalism) do not provide the path to a strong, well fed and well educated people....only government is able to do that, irrespective of the economic system we have.

kevinhofsas said...

Hello;

Jesus said, “And those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” (Luke 19:27) GET A CLUE!

Isaiah said, “Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger . . . and he shall destroy the sinners thereof . . .” GET A CLUE!

THOSE who DESPISE the Spirit of GRACE, which Redeemers SINNERS from the hand of Eternal Judgment EARN THIS:

“As they gather silver and brass and iron into the midst of the furnace, to blow fire upon it, to melt it, so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and leave you there, and melt you . . . You shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you.”

Why does that sound so EXTREME? That’s the deal between God and Satan.

If we leave this life without planting true life within us, then the luminous body will perish also. That’s the deal between God and Satan. A soul will be resurrected into eternal damnation because it rejected the antidote for its mortal decay.

Remember—the reason any person dies is because that is the end result of sin. Sin contaminated the whole lower creation of God, meaning the physical universe. Thus as God’s word says, we are all born into sin. But the antidote is to take God into your being, through Jesus Christ. He will then give his life to you, for God has life in infinite supply. His life will make you alive, and you will save your soul, and your luminous being, which will come, if you let God save it. It is a creation of incalculable worth, the luminous creature, which God did craft, and which he will punish you for destroying, if you don’t let him save it! And let that not be misconstrued as adding anything to the everlasting gospel. It is simple a definition that I am able to bring from the world God saved me from, and give to you. [which was the sorcerers world]

I HAVE SEEN WHAT NO OTHER MAN ALIVE HAS SEEN.

This excerpt from chapter 15 of, 7 VISITATIONS from GOD, 12 REVELATIONS from HEAVEN, by Kevin Hofsas. Available by following the links at, 3 W’s, MARK MY WORDS PUBLISHING DOT COM

hvender said...

Post election comments:
ljrstras, you understand exactly.
I would only ask that you not use the inclusive “we only have ourselves to blame.”
Certainly there are many Americans without a level of knowledge, intelligence, critical thinking and ability to research and verify factually correct information so they can make an informed decision – and too lazy to learn – that have allowed this, but not all.
obama’s tele-prompter gives the greatest snake oil sales pitch I have ever heard, but it appears the sleeping giant is awakening.

Robert J. Sodaro said...

Sorry, Ronnie Smith, but you are completely wrong about where the blue field on the U.S. Flag is supposed to hang. As a Boy Scout and a Boy Scout leader, I know that the blue field of a flag ALWAYS hangs in the upper left corner of the flag, no matter if it hangs horizontally or vertically.

Just follow this link and scroll down to rule #8.

Bob said...

@Robert J. Sodaro,

What happens when the wind changes directions and the flag is blown to the left instead of the right? Or, what happens when you walk to the other side of the flag pole and look at the flag from behind?

alpikat said...

Inasmuch as the Cartoon is 100% correct - and the date matches the overall Nationalist Patriotic Sentiment across the Nation, all was due to the Vendetta of Our Federal Government back then to International Communism or Socialism - ISM, as the Sorcerer, Liar and Deceiving Salesman hid inside his Bottle, The Elixir disguised as the "Cure Potion" would Take care of All of America's Problems.
However, this situation did not only start in 1948, it began as early as 1913, when those Hungry, Greedy Democratic Congremen approved Tne Federal Reserve Board, signed by Pres. Woodrow Wilson (D). himself an Internationalist, establishing the base later on for the Internal
Revenue Service.
Later on President WilsonPres. Wilson admitted himself,[as shown on Wikipedia):

“ I have unwilling ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it’s system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in hands of a few men. ”
“ We have come to be one of the most ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world…no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government of conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men. ”

Too Bad The Cartoon and More of Our "Present Day" Historians don't Dig Deeper into those Very Well Kept Archives and bring it All Out, for I'm sure is Much More They are Hiding from WE THE PEOPLE.
Hugo

Phineas said...

For the one who complained about the cartoon being sexist, Christian and so on. You obviously didn't get it, and never will. This is a Christian Nation like it or not, consistently 86% of the American people when polled claim to be Christian. Most nations are NON-Christian and you would make this also that? Sounds slightly bigotted. The good thing about Christians is they are tolerant of most others who are not trying to do them in. Even to those who are trying to harm them. Frankly Christianity is the most tolerant religion and History proves this out. Christianity is not one religion in control like the dark ages, or the crusades stupidity, that wasn't Christianity, it was religion as government. You mention the Jews, lest we forget it wasn't even the Jews themselves that created the nation of Israel in 1948, it was Christian Nations fighting on behalf of the Jews. I grow tired of the bashing of our orginal morals by the swines of society. We became a great nation due to Christian values of brotherhood, tolerance and helping others. I know I lived way back then and many of the younger generation buys the rewrite of history with lies and distortions. We were never perfect and never will be, but we always have been the best nation on earth and in History. Common sense should tell anyone who's been taught they revisionist history, that something doesn't make sense. How could we have gotten this far if we were as bad as the "ism's" claim we were? Fact is we weren't a bad people. Most people got along and thats more than any nation can claim.

Phineas said...

For the one who complained about the cartoon being sexist, Christian and so on. You obviously didn't get it, and never will. This is a Christian Nation like it or not, consistently 86% of the American people when polled claim to be Christian. Most nations are NON-Christian and you would make this also that? Sounds slightly bigotted. The good thing about Christians is they are tolerant of most others who are not trying to do them in. Even to those who are trying to harm them. Frankly Christianity is the most tolerant religion and History proves this out. Christianity is not one religion in control like the dark ages, or the crusades stupidity, that wasn't Christianity, it was religion as government. You mention the Jews, lest we forget it wasn't even the Jews themselves that created the nation of Israel in 1948, it was Christian Nations fighting on behalf of the Jews. I grow tired of the bashing of our orginal morals by the swines of society. We became a great nation due to Christian values of brotherhood, tolerance and helping others. I know I lived way back then and many of the younger generation buys the rewrite of history with lies and distortions. We were never perfect and never will be, but we always have been the best nation on earth and in History. Common sense should tell anyone who's been taught they revisionist history, that something doesn't make sense. How could we have gotten this far if we were as bad as the "ism's" claim we were? Fact is we weren't a bad people. Most people got along and thats more than any nation can claim.

Jeff said...

"We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt."
Thomas Jefferson

"To contract new debts is not the way to pay for old ones"
George Washington

Our founding fathers possessed incredible and timeless wisdom.

Jeff said...

"A government that is large enough to supply everything you need is large enough to take everything you have"
Thomas Jefferson

Think about it. This is so true.

Jeff said...

One more timeless, very pointed quote:

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
Ronald Reagan
1st Innaugural Address

Robert said...

To Phineas,

This is NOT a Christian nation. There may be here, and Catholics (who don't call themselves Christians) as there are Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Agnostics, Atheists, Mormons (a particularly loony bunch) and so on. The Founding Fathers made very clear that there is a separation of church and state. For the very reason we see today. The religious right wing has so infested our politics as to make every policy decision a referendum on God and Jesus. I for one don't need to hear the ranting from "Christians" about how they are being attacked and denigrated when no such thing is happening. You have your beliefs? Power to you but leave them in your home and church and out of the halls of government, especially when you and others like you so disregard all other religions. Ours is a pluralist society and even with the word "God" thrown every where from our currency to baseball games where we have to sit through yet another rendition of "God Bless America" (I myself prefer America the Beautiful even with the God reference) it is still a nation of laws and by the people. Not by the bible. And since Christians and Catholics and all the designations in between are is such disagreement about whose version of religion is correct, we are lucky we have the system we do. Otherwise we would be like Iraq where Sunnis blow up Shiites and vice versa because one group follows the cousin of Mohammed the other follows the son and one group prays with their hands up and the other down. We are not a Christian nation. We survived Bush who said we were on a "crusade' in Iraq and who promoted generals who claimed with had a Christian army. That stuff is frightfully scary and incredibly dangerous. I live here and I'm not Christian. Does this mean it is not my country? My father fought in the Battle of the Bulge and Remagen and earned a Purple Heart, is it not his country? How dare you.

Jeff said...

Obama is a socialist and he is promoting social-ISM. His statements to Joe the Plumber during the campaign were very revealing and have been borne out to be reflective of his true beliefs. His goal for a "single payer (government) run health care system" is further evidence.

I believe that Obama is no Messiah, but is Pharaoh. Read Genesis 47:13-27, then the following:

"So we see that economic hard times fell upon Egypt, and the people turned to the government of Pharaoh to deal with this for them. And Pharaoh nationalized the grain harvest, and placed the grain in great storehouses that he had built. So the people brought their money to Pharaoh, like a
great tax increase, and gave it all to him willingly in return for grain. And this went on until their money ran out, and they were hungry again.

So when they went to Pharaoh after that, they brought their livestock -their cattle, their horses, their sheep, and their donkey - to barter for grain, and verse 17 says that only took them through the end of that year..

But the famine wasn't over, was it? So the next year, the people came before Pharaoh and admitted they had nothing left, except their land and their own lives. "There is nothing left in the sight of my lord but our bodies and our land. Why should we die before your eyes, both we and our land? Buy us and our land for food, and we with our land will be servants to Pharaoh." So they surrendered their homes, their land, and their real estate to Pharaoh's government, and then sold themselves into slavery to him, in return for grain. What can we learn from this, brothers and sisters?

That turning to the government instead of to God to be our provider in hard times only leads to slavery? Yes. That the only reason government wants to be our provider is to also become our master? Yes.

But look how that passage ends, brothers and sisters! Thus Israel settled in the land of Egypt, in the land of Goshen. And they gained possessions in it, and were fruitful and multiplied greatly." God provided for His people, just as he always has! They didn't end up giving all their possessions to government, no, it says they gained possessions!

But I also tell you a great truth today, and an ominous one. We see the same thing happening today - the government today wants to "share the wealth "once again, to take it from us and redistribute it back to us. It wants to take control of healthcare, just as it has taken control of education, and ration it back to us, and when government rations it, then government decides who gets it, and how much, and what kind. And if we go along with it, and do it willingly, then we will wind up no differently than the people of Egypt did four thousand years ago - as slaves to the government, and as slaves to our leaders.

What Mr. Obama's government is doing now is no different from what Pharaoh's government did then, and it will end the same. And a lot of people like to call Mr. Obama a "Messiah," don't they? Is he a Messiah? A savior? Didn't the Egyptians say, after Pharaoh made them his slaves, "You have saved our lives; may it please my lord, we will be servants to Pharaoh"?

Well, I tell you this - I know the Messiah; the Messiah is a friend of mine; and Mr. Obama is no Messiah! No, brothers and sisters, if Mr. Obama is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh."
Minister of a Virginia Church

So, from now on we call Obama "Pharaoh".

Lew White said...

"Pharaoh Obama" - Jeff's comments nailed everything perfectly.
From now on, it's Pharaoh, not "President".
The Egyptian Pharaohs lived in a place called The White House. Anyone who performs a search of this fact will be amazed at what they find.
Lew White

Mike said...

I say we clean house. Fire everybody, and elect all new officials with term limits. Then, maybe, we can get rid of most corruption and start doing what is right.

Phineas said...

We are The Great Babylon of the future, a proud and arrogant people, blinded to their coming destruction.

http://www.theamericannightmare.org/

in one hour Babylon will be destroyed. The greatest Merchant nation, the most powerful Military who defends itself from heaven....

99% will dismiss this in their pride and arrogance never stopping to consider the real possiblities.

kill hackers said...

WOW!!! This is FANTASTIC. This should be shown in every school, every church, before every movie, on every airline flight and right after the National Anthem at every event.

Brian said...

I would be nice is people really took the time to watch the cartoon rather than try and pick at it. Some one posted that they noticed that it is talkinga about a "Christian" God. I suppose they didnt take the time to notice the cartoo stated that we can worship God in our own way. And at the same time, it never said anything about "Christians". I was just pointing out a fact, not a predjudice.

Ty said...

Only an ignorant person brings religion into the sway of such things. Who cares what religion you are? This makes quite a statement, and I agree with the 'salesman' reminding her of the latest Nobel peace prize winner. That's rich! And true!

Craig said...

Arguments about the religion of the Founders and the U.S. being a Christian nation miss the point the Founders made.

Freedom of religion is allowed, and the government is given no power to elevate one religion over another. The government is additionally specifically prohibited from choosing a favored religion.

"Conservatives" are often just as "progressive" as Communists- both groups have a vision of a better world and think the power of government should be used to attain their social ideal.

The vision of the Founding Fathers was one where government was given NO power to shape society beyond preventing theft and force. Visions of better worlds were left to individuals to create on their own.

Kent said...

lol, this video was made in 1948 to help cause an American cultural scare of Commun'ISM'. It was used as propoganda to turn Americans away from communism and gain support for America to fight communism all across the world. And now when you watch it it reminds you alot of America huh? Thats what socialism does, it only attracts more socialism, and in turn only attracts more government control, thus you eventually get Communism.

Jane said...

I feel it necessary to remind us all that giving some of one's freedoms away in return for government security is no new idea. In fact, it is an age-old practice. One needs look no further than the Declaration of Independence to see the marks of this ideology. John Locke, perhaps the greatest influence upon the authorship of the Declaration, theorized this "social contract." The social contract is the root of Democracy--it's the protector of freedom. Get your heads on straight, Americans. Sometimes, what appears to be the loss of a freedom--whether it be stricter security measures or an all-inclusive healthcare policy--is the act that allows other freedoms. While I do not necessarily agree with either of the aforementioned policies, I believe that they are nothing new to our country. I also do not believe that they lie so far outside the ideas of our founders.

Also, as for the cartoon, it's just some Anti-Communist propaganda. Look at the date. Quit reading so much into things.

Special said...

I'm very familiar with Harding University. They are the same freedom lovers who censor the mail students are allowed to receive and who campaigned against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, on the premise it was a Communist plot to take OUR (white people) freedoms. It's always a Communist plot, isn't it?

Also, does anyone here know that we're in an economic crisis that didn't start with Clinton; skip the dunce who just left after 8 yrs of killing and deregulation; then, pickup again under Obama's watch? You understand that lack of regulation is why so many people lost everything, right? No? According to the Right, it's the fact that we're all of a sudden and Marxist/socialist country according to Glenn Beck. And it just happened on Jan. 20. Oh. OK.

There are a number of typical fear-mongering points here that, per usual, deny the easily found facts that contradict the "I'm scared of the black man who wants to own me and take my freedoms" ranting of the bucketheads who, suddenly, are more concerned with the fear of a black president - who so far, really hasn't done anything good or bad. He just hasn't done anything. What happened to the war on terror, flag-waving, ribbon magnets on your care, "we were attacked by Iraq on 9/11" talk? Oh yeah, that guy's gone and he took his propaganda machine with him. You on the far right will repeat and do EVERYTHING you are told including support a government who is now responsible for hundreds of thousands of human beings of all nationalities and religions that are no longer alive because you were told to do so. Our soldiers, their families, the families of the dead, will not be the same for the rest of their life, b/c a contingent of unenlightened morons marched off to war on "a feeling" and because they were doing what they were told and believing what they were told to believe. THAT's how countries fall under the control of evil dictators that plunge the country into the dark ages, not by regulating big business and protecting the poor.

The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers (who were Deists - not Christians: not that the truth has ever stood in the way of the Right). Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. If you have it your way, the governed will submit to the authority, wealth and power of industry to give you the least they can offer for the highest cost it will fetch. Then, they will fix prices and deregulate to make the public beholden to them. That's where we're at now, because puppets like you fall in lock step behind the propaganda paid for by major industries. That's how the government works - not the president as King, handing down unilateral rule from his throne.

On one thing we can agree. We love freedom. But, honestly, the government is more trustworthy than Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, tobacco companies, Enron, and other world dominating corporations that have been able to ease government intervention in order to take advantage of the public at large. So, how about we keep government out of free enterprise, ease regulations and let the Chinese make all of your grandchildren's toys out of poisonous chemicals and feed us toxins in the food we eat, cause it's cheaper that way and a few execs and shareholders will make more money? Where's the morality in free markets? There isn't any. That's not what they do. Only the right wing zealots could be prompted to march on Washington to demand healthcare remain too high and too poorly executed. But, I'm glad the marches are happening. It's they who are in the worst of health that create one of the unhealthiest countries in the world. Good for them. They need the exercise.

cgoyette said...

Jeff on November 5, 2009 2:28 PM says, “…if Mr. Obama is a character from the Bible, then he is Pharaoh.”

Yes indeed, we have given our power to the Pharaoh Obama to decide our fate and he has taken it. He has broken every promise, an act surely rationalized for “the common good” of his people. The Great Imposter cannot even produce evidence of his birth to show his people that he is one of them. The great majority are passively contributing to our mutual destruction, standing behind unity at all cost. They are arrogant - the greatest of all sins - and have created for us an Obama-nation!

To the Christian people, we are in the throngs of the biblical “second coming” and to all other God believing people, we are about to step into a new age of enlightenment. We are so fortunate to be alive at this time. The great mystics have foretold of this event for millennia. It is a time of great change but also one of great challenge. Do we have the strength to overcome the challenge that awaits us and from where will this strength originate?

The power to create the world our great leaders have always promised can only come from within each of us. We have had the power all along; we were just unaware we had it. Therefore, instead of looking to others for answers, we just need to look within ourselves. Listen to the inner voice that is our essence, the voice that is one with God, which makes us one with each other. We have the power to create whatever world we desire. The ruling elite who operate from the shadows of the world’s great institutions understand this power and have kept this knowledge purposely from us.

I’m sorry if this seems so abstract, my clumsy attempt of appealing to our common purpose. There is so much confusion in the world today, so many have told me that they feel overwhelmed, that they don’t know what else to do but to put their fate in the hands of others. Unfortunately, this strategy follows an evil script that will ultimately destroy us. The answer is doing just the opposite of what is expected of us. We must take back our power and rise above the arguments/tactics/religions/politics/rhetoric that divides us. Through self-empowerment, we will find our common purpose - to secure peace and happiness on earth. Let this be our gift to the world, a voluntary act of love instead of a government-imposed action on our behalf. Considering we can only give what we have, we must then love ourselves and in so doing love our God.

All life, all purpose, all answers lead to One.

shadowdr said...

Just remember it is Bush's fault and if you get confused, it is Bush's fault, IT IS BUSH'S FAULT. Now lets get back to socializing this country.

Special said...

You know, as much of a dangerous, incompetent a**hole as Bush was, it wasn't his fault. It is the fault of the people who will blindly follow whoever appeals to their deepest insecurities and fears and parrots every talking point they are given in daily communique from Rush, Glenn, Sean, et al without ever questioning.

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