The point that I was trying to make is that welfare and medicaid requirements are too relaxed. The current systems in place do not promote job hunting or working for a living to its fullest extent. That's all I am saying about the current system. Growing up in Alabama, we have a large poverty population and I personally know people who have been collecting medicaid and food stamps for several years. Not months. And they are perfectly able-bodied to work. I'm not saying that the welfare system in place in California is as botched as the one in Alabama; I am saying that the Federal Government spending more money on welfare is not helping society, it is crippling society by giving the false hope that the U.S. Government will take care of you.
Well all I can say is California's laws are a lot different to Alabama's laws. Go to California's Welfare and Medicaid websites and check it out for yourself. And I will do the same for Alabama's websites.
I was widowed at 22 and my daughter was 2 years old. I was working for a pharma company and making $9.00 and hour. I was paying $500 rent for a studio. I didn't have a car payment. My day care costs were $250.00 a WEEK, so I applied for Aid To Families with Dependent Children. After completing the forms, they called me back and told me that I made $500 gross a year to qualify. All I was asking for was help with child care.
I used to have the same opinion you do, that people would rather sit on their couch and watch TV all day and live off our tax payer dollars. When I walked out of the Aid To Dependent Children's Office, my hat was off for all those people sitting on the couch eating twinkies. Her I am, raising a child, barely making it and they say I make $500 a year gross to much?. WTF? They system forces people to say fuck it, why should I try to work my ass off? Oh, and by the way, it is MY state tax dollars that pay for Aid To Families With Dependent Children. So, I will check to see on your Alabama's websites how long a person can stay on welfare and other state and federal programs.
The main thrust of this cartoon is true. Government is getting much bigger and is making it extremely difficult if not impossible for private companies to stay in business. Our country has been blessed. The people who fought for our liberty were a varied group. They were not all Christians, but they all knew there was a God and either chose to follow or not. They gave up their security for freedom. We are giving up our freedom for "security." But nothing is really secure.
It was propaganda then, and it is propaganda now. That hasn't changed at all. What has changed is that everyone seems to miss that little spot near the end of this piece when we are reminded that our nation isn't built on capitalism at all, but on tolerance for other races, religions, and cultures. Freedom and tolerance are interconnected. You really can have one without the other.
Patriot - you said "First of all, you cannot call an “Opinion” the truth or lie"
I'm not calling your opinions lies. I am taking everything you state as a fact, linking to facts that prove you wrong, and showing you to be a liar.
"sure I put the wrong number of zero’s behind the 535, big deal"
Not only did you exaggerate the amount of money by a 1000 times...but you also tried to make it a slant on Obama when in fact the source of the funds was a group setup by Bush. Then you tried to mislead people about the mileage rating by completely ignoring that the fuel economy in the NYT article you are referring to was based on their hybrid luxury sports car running in gasoline only mode. You're intentionally ignoring the selling point of the plugin hybrid in that they're not meant to be driven in gasoline only mode most of the time. So, if we look into your claim just a little bit we find the actual EPA rating:
52 mpg! In this sports car? over 400 horsepower? That's incredible! Nice work guys.
"J.D. Power and Associates gave the Fisker Karma its lowest possible rating"
A quick check on your claim at JD Powers website and I find they haven't even reviewed the car yet. Probably because it's not available at retail until next month. Why did you make that up?
"Do Unions not have Lobbyists, if not then why did each register as one? (The NLRB does not lobby for the individual Unions). Was Solyndra have a lobbyist, sure did…"
Yes, lots of groups have lobbyists. Been that way for a long time. What the hell is your point?
"The SBA is hurting, will be taxed out of existence"
The Small Business Administration is not hurting and doesn't pay taxes since they're a government agency. Why do you make this stuff up?
"why does he not exempt Small Businesses from the so-called Millionaires tax? If he doesn’t then charge the Unions as well, are they being considered for the tax also…NO!!!"
The proposed milliares tax is a base tax rate for the wealthy to ensure that millionaires pay at least at the same percentage as middle income taxpayers. Small Businesses wouldn't pay the tax since it's for individuals. How on earth are you so misinformed?
"As far as Infrastructure is concerned, why is it that the non-union State’s Infrastructure doing pretty dammed good!"
What the hell are you talking about? There's no such thing as a non-union state. There's unions in every state.
"The largest difference between you and I is, I actually look for the truth"
Hell no. You have proven repeatedly that you have no respect for the truth. You just make things up and then I look up easily accessible facts that prove you wrong again and again. You can't be bothered with even a little check to see if the things you're saying are true.
"What really seems odd to me, is that poll after poll regardless of who is taking them, all agree on two simple stats, more than 65% of Democrats think Obama is the cause of this country’s economic policies being so bad"
You know why that seems odd? It's because you made it up.
Also "And more Americans still blame former President George W. Bush rather than Obama for the economic distress. Some 31 percent put the bulk of the blame on Obama, while 51 percent point to his Republican predecessor."
"Diogenes knows he cannot find an honest man on the Left."
The left is using facts and honesty. You are a dishonest man and you are on the right.
@DontTreadOnMe - You said - "Stimulus packages are NOT NEEDED! They are just crippling the businesses even more"
Actually historically stimulus spending has been successful in many countries.
"Why not stitch it up and disinfect it by getting to the root of the problem and start cutting spending by getting rid of useless federal departments and stop creating money and spending it when we don't have it?"
Government spending did not cause the economic downturn. That is not the root of the problem.
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. No one is trying to do that? How about this, "In October, Democratic leaders in the Senate replaced Mr. Obama’s proposed tax changes with a 'millionaires tax,' a 5.6 percent surtax on income over that level"
Tax rates on the rich are at a historic low and many of them pay lower rates than middle class earners.
So raising the rate 5% on over a million a year income would hardly "destroy the rich". It would just put there taxes back where they used to be when they were paying a more fair rate. Right now we have a problem as Warren Buffet pointed out where he is paying a lower rate than his secretary.
"The government should not be able to make a law or regulation to force companies to adhere to government agenda."
Yes, it should. That's why we no longer have child labor. You need regulations to protect the workers, the environment, and the consumers. Otherwise you get 8 year olds working twelve hours a day in unsafe conditions making baby bottles with lead in them while the company dumps their sludge in the river.
"That would be a move towards socialism"
That means you don't know what socialism is. Socialism is where workers/government own the means of production. Like with our roads, post office, fire and police departments, military, etc.
To Motorpoodle! I want to thank you for taking the time to fact check the BS that is written on this blog. I have read soooo much BS, not just on National Juggernaut, but on many blogs. I can spot a Faux News viewer from a mile away.
I am a middle aged single women and if you are a single middle aged man, I would like to marry you! I am joking of course. I just think intelligence is sexy!
Thanks again for your fact finding. Again, it is refreshing to read comments that are factual and get to the bottom of the issue.! Take Care!
Mtorpoodle no matter how hard you try you'll never induce him or Patriot to start thinking. They are the bought and paid for "lap-dogs" of the rich. By their definition they are always right and everyone else no matter what is wrong.
Like I said, I agree that social welfare can help people in need...the people that actually want to work. Alabama Food Assistance Program regulations state: 1) Benefits for Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) certification last for 1 year and a semi-annual report is required for those required to report significant changes in household 2) Each person is required to register for a work program except for these people: (I'm only listing the ones that are pertinent to the debate) a) Persons who are the sole provider for dependent children 6 years of age or younger b) People already working that equate to 30 hours a week c) People unable to work due to mental or physical disabilities
Single mothers in poverty-stricken neighborhoods in Alabama (NOT ALL) often take advantage of the work exemption policies set forth by the DHR of Alabama. They do this by continuing to have children so they can renew benefits and not have to work. Also, the more children they have the more money they receive for food. This is referring to the EBT Program of the SNAP. Before, people would often SELL food stamps for money so they could purchase other items. However, I'm not quite sure about this, I believe super stores like Wal-Mart, take EBT (in the form of a credit or debit card), for all store items, not just food. Like I said, I haven't researched that.
To quote you: "They system forces people to say fuck it, why should I try to work my ass off?" EXACTLY my point! People that have VERY low paying jobs and still need assistance, can't get it! It's only the people that are unable or refuse to work period. Now if someone waltzed in the DHR and told the rep that yeah, I'm able-bodied but I'm just lazy so I cheat the system, then benefits would probably be watched very carefully..but they would still get them! I haven't had a chance to review California's policies but I trust you know what you are talking about.
I'm not rich by any means. I consider myself middle class. I am a Staff Sergeant in the United States Army so the money I make is paid by the U.S. Government which comes from taxpayers. I have received unemployment benefits before and they were pretty difficult to get. Every week you had to submit a list of companies you have applied to. Not all systems are botched, however, the welfare and medicaid systems have a lot of loopholes that people can use to cheat the system.
By the way, I believe I mixed up screen names in my previous post when I was replying. It wasn't you, JoyFulOne that was calling people liars and being condescending, it was Motorpoodle. Apologies for the harsh words.
If inflation and government spending is not why the economy is in a downturn, then I would love to hear what you think it is.
"Tax rates on the rich are at a historic low and many of them pay lower rates than middle class earners."
If you had a flat tax and less deductions that would take care of that problem.
According to that chart, since the start of the Federal Reserve, it seems that tax rates have ALWAYS been low for the rich. Very convenient huh?
I do believe some regulations should be in place to protect children (not legal adults therefore cannot vote), poisons such as lead, and so on. You are entirely misconstruing what I said. Regulations on how businesses operate, not unsafe acts towards humanity. Twisting my words around to make you right does not mean I'm a liar. I know what socialism is. Government-owned production. I said that would be a step toward socialism...not full on socialism. Once again, twisting my words. The government making back door deals to fit their hidden agenda is a step towards socialism...how is it not?? Large government influence in private sector businesses in moving toward socialism. Plus, if a company was making lead bottles, I doubt with today's intelligence that the company would last more than a few weeks. That's what supply and demand is. When consumers love a product, they want more of it. The company then produces more and people keep buying it. The company makes money and is required to hire more people and better technology to expedite production. That creates more jobs. Am I wrong?
Wow, thanks Magiste. Thank you for saying that I'm not thinking and calling me a lap-dog of the rich, being that I'm anything BUT rich. I believe that lower, middle, and upper class should ALL be treated and taxed EQUALLY. That's all. I do not, however, support a 1-class, government controlled society where everyone makes the same amount regardless of the work or lack there of. Most honest rich have gotten that way by taking risks in a risky economy and happen to come out on top. Why should they be treated any differently than the working man? If a man/woman chooses to spend all of his/her life in the mills and factories then that is their prerogative. BUT, they do have a choice to start a small business, invest in free market shares and companies, and play roulette on Wall Street. With higher risk comes higher reward and vice versa. High risk also comes with high loss as well depending on how much money you invest. So stop bashing me and calling me a "lap-dog" for the rich. I shun at the thought.
First, thank you for your service to our country. My parents met in Korea, (they were both in the Army.) They were both staunch Republicans until Nixon came along, and then turned to the Democratic party. (My Dad passed 12 years ago.) He worked for Transamerica Mortgage for 25 years in San Francisco. Oops, got off track, just giving you some history.
I too have collected unemployment, and yes it is hard to get even though I paid in to that insurance fund for decades. As a matter of fact, they make it so difficult I think they hope you just say forget it.
I think you missed my point in regard to being turned down for Aid To Families With Dependent Children. There I was, working everyday, taking my daughter to daycare, etc. meaning I was doing the right thing. I had even told the people at ATFWDC to send the money directly to my day care provider showing them that I wasn't using that aid to party on. But by saying I made $500 gross a year too much, my attitude changed after that in regard to people who do collect welfare. I think if I didn't have such a good job with room for growth, I would have quit my job and gamed the system. Another words, the system forces people on to welfare and state/fed assistance. Minimum wage just increased in 2008 after 10 years. And the only reason the GOP voted for the increase was because it was an election year and after bush they knew they were in trouble. The country is in the process of losing the middle class and if we don't do something about it we will be in the ranks of a third world country. Our form of government can fail just like any other form of government if we don't get our act together. I certainly don't have the answers but something must be done. My Mom used to always say, do something, even if it is wrong. That is the way I feel about Congress. Nothing is getting done because of the election coming up. The Dems and Reps both do it.
Anyway, thanks again for your service, I will try to be more civil. I just get heated up about some of the blogs.
Stop using the language of the "lap-dogs". People "choose" to spend their lives at low paying jobs. People "choose" to not work and get welfare (yeah, try going to the state and tell them your not going to work so put you on welfare) How asinine.
Stop calling me a lap-dog! Geez. The American people like security. If people have low paying jobs and making ends meat, obviously they would want more than that. All I am saying is that people can choose not to live that life. Is that not true? Is everyone doomed to poverty? Of course not. Are you telling me that you can't invest and profit from that? Can you not open your own business with an idea or product? Obviously everyone is not going to open a business and everyone is not going to be rich...but every American has the option to do something else. This is America. Land of the free.
I'm in the Army. I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. So I do what I can to get by and save money so I can do other things in life. I'm married and have a 2 year old girl. I know what's its like to be poor and I know what it's like to be well off. And I've bounced between the two. I've worked my hands to the bone for a living. I know what its like. So don't tell me that I'm a lap-dog. You have no idea.
Wow. We just watched a video that suggested we should all work together and that our strength lies in our unity. There is very little in this discussion that demonstrates this. it seems like people would rather continue arguing than work together to create a prosperous nation...
"Don't Tread" what you said and implied was that the welfare system is rampant with "cheats". You're falling back on sterotypes and that is just sloppy (non)thinking. I'm sure there are some cheats-there always are, but people on this board, some people, make it sound like the system is full of them. Its not-unless you count the politicians.
I'm not suggesting that everyone on welfare is cheating. I'm speaking from personal perception and experience and not from stereotypes. I will, however, attempt to look at the situation with a much broader perception. Albert Einstein said, "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." I agree with you on the politicians. They are the ones cheating the most!
I think you over estimate the amount of people that actually like being in welfare. You don't get that much money, plus like I said before it is not a forever thing. The best thing for everyone to do is go to your own state aid websites and read the rules and regs in regard to receiving aid. I think everyone would be surprised at how hard it is to get and the rules for continuing aid. You make it sound like people go to these sites to collect before looking for a job. Most Americans want to work and be productive.
You stated: Unity is key in fixing this economic crisis. I couldn't agree more. We should ALL come together right now. I am guilty of the blame game, but we can't afford to do that anymore. It will be our demise.
One of the poster made a statement about the collective community and that just states what is going on in our country. Lo0ok at the ficticous Borg on Star Trek fame. They are known as a collective. That is one entity that controls all others and all others do exactly what is best for the collective which is actually for the one entity that is controlling it because that is what everything is done for that one entity. People go to school and get jobs then they work their way up the lader until one day they are in a better situation. The job market is scary right now and it is because of our government plain and simple. You all remember the Carter era, he was one the biggest puppets on a string than any other president. He could not even fart without permission. Pretty soon we will bee in the same boat if we keep going down the path to socialism like we are heading. Pretty soon we will all be the collective taking our oprders from the one entityu and won't be able to fart without permission.
To Crazy: We have this economy because of LACK of regulation and GREED. During the bush w. administration, the only thing they thought about was starting a needless war and supporting the Military Industrial Complex, while in the background Wall Street, Banks, F & F and Loan Agencies were running amuck. bushtard also lowered taxes while being in 2 wars which is unheard of. We are no where near being a socialized country. That is just a Faux News buzz word. What is wrong right now is the death of the middle class. And if you want to know what that looks like, spend a month or two in TJ, Mexico..
However one feels about constitutional freedoms from government oppression (and one SHOULD be pretty much panicked about the Patriot Act and the loss of 4th Amendment protections and habeas corpus, which the present admin. has not yet restored), one needs to recognize that the government is our only ally and not our opponent in today's battle for our freedom and safety.
Our wealth, our security, our freedom, and our chance of a prosperous and healthy future were signed over to 1% of "Americans" and their multinational corporations. 48% of our annual deficit goes to them--betcha didn't know that. We have to give up highways, medical care, and retirement because HALF the owed taxes (those paid by us) aren't adequate to maintain a reasonable country, and the corporatists are not about to pay their half.
By 2008, we had so little wealth remaining that it was probably hopeless. House Republicans insisting on giving our future earnings to the same companies prolonged the problem. And the people who HAVE our $2.5 TRILLION in offshore banks are now lavishly using it for bribery, to buy elections, and to re-shape the United States from a democracy to a corporatocracy (fascist state).
They are winning largely because so many Americans have been trained like dogs to salivate at the very idea of "government," to view it (which is us) as their enemy, and to have completely lost the intellectual capacity to see the real picture because of the red haze of mindless hatred of government they nurture without the least idea of what they're talking about.
In the end, THOSE people are costing us our country, our freedom, and our democracy.
While you continue to repeat the notion that government somehow suppresses free enterprise, check this statistic: Number of small and medium American companies put out of business this year by mega-corporations and their economic grip on the economy: 47,000. Number of small and medium American companies put of out business this year by the U.S. Government: 0. And so long as people can't get that through their heads, it will keep getting worse.
FredMars said: "How quickly people will give up their freedoms today for the illusion of security, and the false hope of prosperity through government control."
No, what is mind-boggling is how quickly people will give up their freedoms to that military-industrial complex against which President Eisenhower warned us, the oligarchy that now owns most of our available wealth and is rapidly ending our middle class in favor of nationwide poverty.
One of the best breaks they have is the idiocy that imagines and clings to some notion that the "gummint" is behind it, and goes out of its way to cripple the government from protecting us. People like that know nothing; like a Pavlovian dog, they respond exactly as trained to the word "government" by slavering and growling, paying no mind to the multinationals stealing everything they have behind their backs while they are busily disabling the only protection they have.
Bob, what an idiot. I can't believe anyone at this point is thinking obama has done a good job. The only job he's done is making the poor more dependent on the government. Yeah, that's going to work out for everyone. President Bush did what he needed to do when 9-11 hit. Can you imagine if that had happened when obama was president?
During the era of the cartoon we (Americans) were recovering from WWII, and trying to warn the citizens how the communist activities that cost us our freedoms. This cartoon is a warning that went unheeded in 2008.
Kandy said: The only job he's done is making the poor more dependent on the government. What are you talking about? OUR money paid in taxes is what creates the safety net. And if you are talking about the Affordable Care Act, looks to me like the private sector murderous private health insurance companies haven't quit done a good job. The LEAST we can do with our tax dollars is help the less fortunate. I would rather have my money spent that way instead of spending it on the VERY bloated Military Industrial Complex. The best the GOP had to offer in regard to healthcare reform is letting PH insurance companies compete across state lines. Does anyone with one brain cell left think that that will lower rates? Single payer is the ONLY way. There is NO waiting for surgery in Canada unless it is elective surgery. There is so many BS lies about Canada and Europe's healthcare system. And even if you think you have great health insurance, just wait until you need cancer treatment or need heart surgery. Just your cost alone would bankrupt you. My son-in-law pays $700 a month and his company matches it for health insurance. So together it is $1.400 a month. My daughter has vein problems in one of her legs and the insurance company called and said that they don't cover any vascular problems. WTF? Funny how people will vote against their own self interest. Good God!
What? bush did what he had to do after 9-11? Really? Invade a country with no WMD's and had NOTHING to do with 9-11? And even if a country does have WMD's, does that give us the right to attack them? Cause if that is it, we just sent an invitation to all countries to attack us because, yes we do, we have WMD's...The very best thing the Republicans can do is just go ahead and say that bush was a complete failure and couldn't make a right decision if his life depended on it. Everyone bitches about the debt, but not a peep about the 5,000 troops dead in Iraq and the $3 TRILLION dollar CF Iraq was. That cost includes all VA costs. There are 17 suicide attempts by Iraq veterens daily and who knows how many actually DO have a successful suicide attempt.
Everyone says that the stimulus was a failure. Well, without it we would all be experiencing a radical depression. We were in a free fall when President Obama took office, yet no one remembers that! Please everyone, get off Fox News and MSNBC, and get on the internet and do some research, cause I am afraid that if you don't, it will be the end of us. There is NOTHING factual happening in the main stream media, all zombie opinions. Now is not the time to be lazy!
Oh, also if anyone that says that the Democrats voted for the Iraq war, I will remind you that Congress was LIED to i regard to the Iraq war, just as you and I were. Congress and the American people were fearful and angry after 9/11 and bush/cheney took advantage of that. And now the GOP is bashing President Obama for leaving Iraq when in fact President Obama is adhering to the agreement that bush made with Iraq in regard to when our troops left Iraq. Please, for the love of God don't defend that needless war. Makes me puke!
I agree whole heartedly Kandy. Fiona M, quit drinking the kool aid girl. You must be a troll from the Obama admin. This administration is intent on owning you and me. They are more part of the corporations than any admin ever has. As the bumper sticker says "if you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not racist, then vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not stupid"
PRINCETON, NJ -- A new low of 26% of Americans approve of President Barack Obama's handling of the economy, down 11 percentage points since Gallup last measured it in mid-May and well below his previous low of 35% in November 2010. http://www.gallup.com/poll/149042/new-low-approve-obama-economy.aspx @motorpoodle "Actually historically stimulus spending has been successful in many countries." So, who...how long did it last? What about today's world? Stop using slanted websites, they are no more reliable than Geithner or Holder (not to mention Obama).
@motorpoodle "Kandy, sorry but you have it backwards: 9/11 happened so Bush could do what he did." What, protect Americans, Bush did a hell of a job doing that.
Show me the un-biased truth from a trusted source...and this is all I want to hear from you in this post. Oh, you are wrong about the polls, what do you expect from the AP?
@JouyfulOne: "And if you are talking about the Affordable Care Act, looks to me like the private sector murderous private health insurance companies haven't quit done a good job."
I suppose that is why United Health Care has paid my Oncology treatments and tests to the tune of $356,775.00, just so far. According to the non-government written Health Care bill (ObamaCare), given my age, I wouldn't qualify for expensive treatments. Why do you think all Medical Records will now be under Government Control. M.D. Anderson Cancer Center had to hire 300 people to digitize their medical records, which would be entered into a "National Database", there goes another freedom, Doctor Patient Privilege.
JoyFulOnesaid...
Oh, also if anyone that says that the Democrats voted for the Iraq war, I will remind you that Congress was LIED to i regard to the Iraq war, just as you and I were. Congress and the American people were fearful and angry after 9/11 and bush/cheney took advantage of that. And now the GOP is bashing President Obama for leaving Iraq when in fact President Obama is adhering to the agreement that bush made with Iraq in regard to when our troops left Iraq. Please, for the love of God don't defend that needless war. Makes me puke!
So, you are speaking of and calling all these liars: NSA, British Mi6, the U.N. security council, Pakistani ISI, AND the plans themselves found in Iraq during the war? Bush didn't make the case, those reports is why democrats went along with the war. Then there were the Nuclear 'ready to assemble' documents Saddam told the British troops where to find them, which also said all of it had been shipped to Syria, thank God the Israelis bombed the facility out of existence. Discussed on C-span!
Then the truth comes out about the Valerie Plane story who also sent her husband (without permission) Joe Wilson to Nigeria to see if anyone was selling Yellow Cake Uranium to Iraq, and if she was really trying to conceal her identity, why did she tell Robert Kovack who she was...knowing it would be leaked by a Republican (himself)???
To: daveleeander! The government is on the way to owning you? Really? Where in the hell did you get that comment, some airhead on Fox News? Tell me HOW the government is owning us? Every time a Democrat gets in the White House we start hearing these socialized bullshit comments. It is so ridiculous. The GOP wants government out of your lives except when it has to do with personal freedoms. They can't stay out of our bedrooms and churches. The hypocracy should blow everyone's head off. When McCain was on the campaign trail he said the only spending he would do is on the military. Does anyone out there realize what kind of depression we would be in right now. Wake the f#@k up!
daveleeander, why is it that you Baggers all use the exact same phraseology, word for word? Does this prove none of you have minds of your own? Quit the campaign against rationality, please!
daveleeander, why is it that you Baggers all use the exact same phraseology, word for word? Does this prove none of you have minds of your own? Quit the campaign against rationality, please!
I suppose I should be honored to be lumped in with the Tea Baggers, so I will be! Your rationality is something that scares the beejeesus out of me and most of the country. You are a minority that would like for everyone to believe you are on some etheral plateau and have the answers to all our problems. The democratic party as it is now would like for us to believe the same. We will take our country back. You can sit on these blogs and discuss back and forth the "rationale" for all things, both big and small. In the mean time, God fearing, gun toting, Tea bagging, grandmothers and grandfathers, sons and daughters will do what needs done. Enough said on this cartoon which no one paid attention to when they should have.
bush protect America? 9-11 happened on his watch. And don't go blaming Clinton either. bin Laden was in bombing range twice with Clinton and both times his military advisors said too many civilians would die. Then when Clinton left office, he verbally and in writing that an attack was a possibility and al-Qaida was America's biggest threat. What did bush do? He had a drink or 6.
Re: You PH Insurance So your PH insurance company has paid $356,775 for your treatment. How much do you owe? What is your monthly premium. What insurance company? How much are they going to raise your rates? My guess is they are going to drop you like a hot potato...
Iraq War: Yes, all of the organizations you mentioned lied. How do I know? Cause there were NO weapons of mass destruction. Ya, I have heard of the yellow cake bullshit. And that is what that is, bullshit. No where near being a WMD. Why didn't bushtard invade Iran? From what I hear they are a lot closer to having WMDs. Please don't embarrass yourself with that ridiculous argument.
The jury is in regarding the Iraq war and if the Republicans would get honest about it I and many Americans would have so much more respect. To keep defending bush is beyond ignorant.
To daveleander: What again? Take our country back? Back to where? The bullshit about freedoms being taken away from us is so ridiculous I can't stop laughing. Exactly WHAT freedoms have you lost? The GOP took a beating in 2009 and they just can't get over it. And don't say "most Americans feel a certain way." That is EXACTLY what Faux News does. Every other sentence they are saying "most people" feel a certain way when in fact they don't. Again, get of the main stream media and do some research. You crack me up!
It isn't "government" to whom we are rapidly giving over control ... it those bloated, greedy unregulated multi-national corporations, banks and a Wall Street gone wild!
It is isn't "government" to whom we are rapidly giving away our freedom and control of our lives -- it's those greedy, bloated unregulated corporations, banks, and a Wall Street gone wild!
@daveleeander - how about answering the question? What specificaly has Obama done to own you?
You sound like one of silly shills drinkin kool aid where someone tried to scare you with some vague bullshit and you lapped it up. So be specific or go back to your basement.
People voted for Obama because he was the best choice. Hell McCain had an insane idiot as VP. To prove you weren't stupid you'd have to vote Obama.
In fact accoding to exit polls far more racists voted against him because of his race than there were people that voted for him because of race.
Ya Motorpoodle, a lot of people drink that socialism kool-aid. I am old enough to know that it happens every time a Democrat gets in the White House. And yes, whether the baggers or red necks will admit it, it drove them CRAZY that President Obama was black. So what did they do? They used every other word except the "N" word, cause it is not politically correct to say the "N" word anymore. McCain is a moderate Republican, (except when it comes to the Military Industrial Complex.) And yes, correct again in regard to McCain's choice for VP. Couldn't have made a worse mistake. Anyone who has to write stuff on their hand to give a speech is not VP material. Remember the interviews with her? Embarrassing.
@JoyfulOne - I forgot to thank you for the compliments. :)
@Patriot - "Stop using slanted websites"
I don't use slanted websites. I use widely respected websites. You on the other hand have tried to link us to fringe whacko conspiracy nut websites.
"What, protect Americans, Bush did a hell of a job doing that."
What the hell? More Americans were killed then under any president in a long time. Not to mention 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.
"Show me the un-biased truth from a trusted source"
That's exactly what I do everytime you make up some crazyness.
"Oh, you are wrong about the polls"
No, I proved that the poll numbers you made up were a complete lie. By linking to the polls.
"According to the non-government written Health Care bill (ObamaCare), given my age, I wouldn't qualify for expensive treatments."
Another lie. You can still even get it paid for through United Healthcare. In fact you're better protected to keep receiving the treatments.
"Stop insurance companies from limiting the care you need. For most plans starting on or after September 23, these rules stop insurance companies from imposing pre-existing condition exclusions on your children; prohibit insurers from rescinding or taking away your coverage based on an unintentional mistake on an application; ban insurers from setting lifetime limits on your coverage; and restrict their use of annual limits on coverage."
"there goes another freedom, Doctor Patient Privilege."
In reality the privacy restriction are better than paper records.
"The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) was passed in the US in 1996 to establish rules for access, authentications, storage and auditing, and transmittal of electronic medical records. This standard made restrictions for electronic records more stringent than those for paper records"
Electronic records will save a lot of lives but I agree that privacy should be highly regulated.
"So, you are speaking of and calling all these liars: NSA, British Mi6, the U.N. security council, Pakistani ISI"
If you'd remember correctly the UN had inspections going still when the war started and they said everything was checking out. Bush and Powell made a presentation based on lies and misinformation convincing people that there was imminent danger so they could go to war. Of course they were wrong and hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. Iraq was no threat to us.
@JoyFulOne, my deductable (as though it's any of your darn business) per annum is $100.00 (includes Doctor Visits, Prescription(s)...(a whopping $5.00 ea.), that is gone on my first Doc visit. For catastrophic coverage it is $1,000.00 per year. However we have a savings account only for Major Medical, my Company gave me the coverage as part of my retirement pkg. What do I/we owe? Not a penny on anything, if we cannot pay for it, we do not buy it!!!(again none of your business, respectfully). I personally do not, nor have I ever asked about anyone's personal financial business. Maybe it was the era we were raised in, when respect for your fellow man really meant something. Our company had a voluntary program, where if anyone volunteered their time to spend a week or more helping the homeless (blankets, food, taking them to shelters, but especially job offers to those who were fit enough to work, we paid for their 'full physical', working at shelters, Meals on Wheels, and so on, were paid time and a half for hourly, and lower end salaried people were written a check for $100.00 for every full week they spent doing the work. Most of the sallied would just write H.R. a check to pay it back, hourly who tried to pay it back, they would include it in the pay as a work bonus. Many good hearted police would escort those who could only go into the 5 Wards at night. There were many good Black, White, and Hispanics, but would not be seen talking to us in the daylight, so we would fold a $20.00 and our card, including a Metro card if they wanted to get a job. That way if they were questioned by so-called buddies, they could pull out the twenty...what they told the others about the money wasn't any of our business. No one really knows how many millions our Evil Private Sector business paid in donations to charities. We spent $2 Million the aftermath of Katrina, which was charged as business to our locations in La. as not to be reimbursed as a charitable deduction. The only charity the Unions do, is to give to Liberal Politicians using part of the employees dues.
@motorpoodle, you used one source in your quoted poll...ONE and from the AP of all. Try Politico where ALL polls are summarized into one.
You know I might respect you more if you showed some good qualities about yourself...you come off as a know-it-all, and superior to everyone who may have a somewhat differing opinion than yours. Yes, sorry to break it to you, but you do only make comments on the parts of statements only you wish to choose, you have yet to answer any questions put to you.
Obviously you only believe what you want to hear, damn the truth or real facts. You never see me quote conservative sites, much less link to them. Faux intellectual elitist amuse me.
To Patriot: I am also from a generation where I do not ask personal questions, but since our personal information is not shown on NJ or our real names, who gives a shit what personal questions you ask? You forgot to answer the most important question. Who is your insurance company? That way I can check out if what you say is true. In my 53 years of life I have NEVER heard of an insurance company paying 100 percent of ANY treatment. They pay up to 80 percent. So, it would be good to hear who insures you.
To Patriot: My Father paid Blue Cross private health insurance premiums for 25 years. Then he found a lump on the back of his neck. He went in to the doctors and they discovered he had early stage Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. At the time I was living in Hawaii and my Dad was in California. In his policy there were no limitations on which doctor he had to chose. He started seeing a great onogologist (sic) and after his first treatment he got a letter from Blue Cross stating he wasn't allowed to see the doctor that started his treatment. My Dad called me and said he had read the policy and no where did it state that he could not chose a certain doctor. I hung up the phone and said, "Bullshit." Two weeks later I moved to California. My Dad hired an attorney and showed up at the local Blue Cross office with his attorney. Long story short: He kept the same doctor. Most people can't afford to hire an attorney by the way and quite frankly shouldn't have to.
Now for my oldest brother. I blame his death on his insurance company. It was one of those kind that had a network of doctors. He suffered from daily migraines and other health issues. They were constantly denying tests and one of the doctors thought my brother was a drug seeker. I finally got involved and raised hell. We had to fight harder for his insurance coverage than fighting his illness. My brother received Federal Disablility and if anyone has had to collect that, you have to see one of their doctors and their main goal is to deny claims and they didn't with my brother. My brother ended up committing suicide because of all the stress he had to endure. He had other personal problems too, but fighting for health is complete and total bullshit. Our system of healthcare insurance and delivery is a joke to all other industrialized nations. No one talks about how much it costs the states and federal governments because of the kind of PH care system we have now. Single payer is the ONLY way. Cut the military spending in half, stop sending money to any other country and start spending OUR tax dollars on OUR citizens. When your child is dying and your fighting your insurance company or don't have insurance, you don't give a fuck if they call it socialized medicine. Where the hell is the compassion in the Republican party? It is truly sickening.
Patriot you lie in every post. Unions do tons of charitable work and donations. I might respect you just a smidge if you weren't constantly trying to spread lies.
You claim I only linked to one poll. I guess tha makes you a real problem since you linked to none. That's because my poll was rea and you made up your numbers.
There's nothing intellectual about looking up the lies you tell and linking to facts that prove you're lying again.
Want to tell us again how the Dream act let's violent illegals out of prison? The only time you even made a slight attempt to prove anything you've said is when you linked to some conspira nutter sites regarding the UN. Then you have the hypocrisy to bitch about associated press.
Excuse the typos In the previous post. My phone seems to miss letters.
Patriot - "you do only make comments on the parts of statements only you wish to choose"
I don't reply to every single statement you make but I prove the bulk of them to be false and link to facts. I don't have unlimited time.
You, on the other hand, change the subject as soon as you're proven wrong. You never revisit stuff that you've been proven wrong on and admit you were wrong or attempt justify the lies.
I'd like to go back and line up every lie you've told over the last few pages but I'll start with just the Dream Act letting violent prisoners loose and your most recent claim about your healthcare no longer being covered. Do you have any justification for those two at all? Anything?
Motorpoodle wrote: Patriot - "you do only make comments on the parts of statements only you wish to choose" (Meaning Patriot)
You are correct. When you lay out a fact, he references bogus underground type websites. I do not take him seriously anymore. ANYONE, whether Democrat or Republican that says bush made the right decision to invade Iraq either they don't have a brain cell left or they need to go to a rehab. Someone said that we all have the right to our own opinions, but there is only one set of facts. I agree with that!
What happened to my posts from 2:30 this morning? I address my sympathies to JoyFulOne for her Father and Brother (where I asked if his insurance was an HMO. I also answered your question about what insurance, I have Premium policy with United Health care, not sure if it is still offered, since my company allowed me, as part of my retire package with the same coverage we have had for the past 15 years. We left Aetna.
Also not here just after my post to Joy...it was a very long note to you, and a nice reply to motorpoodle's question.
Perhaps I can get back to doing it over again if I get back from my treatment this afternoon.
Funny how a cartoon can explain more than the government can about how we should never forget what has made US free. As a Christian I will not be deceived, so I question if Ronald Wilson Reagan, count 666, who was given 42 months to continue and Falwell and Robertson the '2 horns like a Lamb" is one part of the antichrist and the Obama-nation of Desolation, is that a man who claims he's a Christian and prays with the Pope in his heart to allah? Is America the beast John saw in Revelations? Let no man steal your crown. I renounce my social security number as the mark of the beast? Why are we numbered like cows? The Lord comes soon...
Funny how a cartoon can explain more than the government can about how we should never forget what has made US free. As a Christian I will not be deceived, so I question if Ronald Wilson Reagan, count 666, who was given 42 months to continue and Falwell and Robertson the '2 horns like a Lamb" is one part of the antichrist and the Obama-nation of Desolation, is that a man who claims he's a Christian and prays with the Pope in his heart to allah? Is America the beast John saw in Revelations? Let no man steal your crown. I renounce my social security number as the mark of the beast? Why are we numbered like cows? The Lord comes soon...
Oscar and Bernie! Whoooaaa! I really tried to understand what you are trying to say but just can't. Whatever you are on, maybe cut back a little..Just some constructive advise,,,,,
Thank you Patriot in regard to my Father and Brother. Ya, sometimes my posts don't go through either. Before I send off my post I always copy it in case I need to paste it. Glad to hear you left Aetna. That is the insurance company my brother had. They didn't give a flying shit about him. My brother was just a number to them. Aetna is certainly not the only one. ALL PH insurance companies are in it for the money, not for the health of this nation. I would trust the federal government WAY more than private health insurers. And I know very well how the VA system works and Medicare and they far surpass the PH insurance industry. Any day of the week...
Johnson33 stated: Wake up America..This could happen again.
Ya, and the earth could start spinning in the other direction. Hell, anything could happen...
Fear Fear Fear! The GOP has got to the point that it is a boy who cried wolf situation. After Iraq and their miracle economic ideas, I can't believe anything they say. Today in the GOP House had nothing better to do except vote for a bill that keeps "In God We Trust" as our motto for another 5 years. Really? Don't they have anything better to do? In the last election I remember very well them saying jobs, jobs, jobs. To date they haven't had a half baked idea yet. Lord help us!
Just to say this Cartoon preaches everything that was good of America, and what it can be come. Since the country has started things have been shun to go the politicians way. I feel that younger people in office, removal of all older judges that are stuck in their way from the 60's, 70's and 80's I feel a younger crowd whether you feel it or not, needs to implement its ideas. I think something the cartoon was referring to is we don't need specified parties, we need to elect who is best. Who has the best ideals, liberals sucks, conservative have their heads so far up their ass they aren't willing to change, same as goes for liberalistic democrats. We don't need any of them we just need a person who will run this country they way it was supposed to be. Not about the corporations not about worrying about peoples personal freedoms but by following the constitution, and doing as mandated. If we cannot come to the realization of all errors we will end up just as the Romans and every other democracy before us.
Having political parties has become the main issue. Voting for candidates without party lines makes more sense.
Any candidate elected owes his loyalty to his party first and not to the constituients who put him in office.
It is time for we the people to take back our country. Our forefathers fought for freedon from tyranny but we are held hostage by our own government.
They have created a dependent nation and now are allowing illegal aliens to live off the government so they can garner votes. It's a disgrace and insult to honest, hardworking, taxpaying Americans.
Yet we sit back, complain about the faults in our country but actively do nothing to prevent it. Our own President declared to countries overseas that WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! And WE allowed HIM to get away with that.
HE said on Meet The Press that HE attended flag burnings and refuses to place his hand on his heart when our National Anthem is played because he hates it and thinks "I'd like To Teach The World To Sing" makes a better Anthem. And WE take it.
Here you all are complaining about a cartoon that makes outstanding references from 60 years ago that hit it right on the head regarding what's happening today.
You all want to argue mundane BS instead of doing something constructive on Election Day next week and showing the corrrupt politicians that their lifelong careers are in jeopardy.
Use your voices for change, not just to hear yourself speak. WE ARE THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and only we can bring our beloved country back to who she once was!!!!
Just saw this for the first time. And I'm sure not going to give up my freedom for any other system I've seen so far, nor do I recommend that anyone else should either. The cartoon makes good points, but let's not forget that EVERYONE has and wants ALL of those freedoms. Forgetting that may have contributed to the problem in the first place. Don't go backwards just for old time's sake. BE SMART PEOPLE.
Though Nazi Germany had been recently defeated, facism or corporatism, as Musolinni had originally called it, was still a factor when this movie was made in 1948. See Martin Boorman: Nazi In Exile by Paul Manning. Corporatists still remain a powerful political-economic players today, 2011, around the world. They want us to identify what they do in the name of 'free-market capitalism' with actual free-market capitalism—entirely different ways of operating. If we don't take this into account then we are just shilling as corporatist useful idiots. Hip for real free market economics!
Evesin said: Yet we sit back, complain about the faults in our country but actively do nothing to prevent it. Our own President declared to countries overseas that WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! And WE allowed HIM to get away with that.
HE said on Meet The Press that HE attended flag burnings and refuses to place his hand on his heart when our National Anthem is played because he hates it and thinks "I'd like To Teach The World To Sing" makes a better Anthem. And WE take it.
1. If Obama declared the U.S. "not a Christian nation," he's only echoing George Washington's and John Adams' words to foreign potentates. He's legally right, and it's too bad more people don't understand that our religious freedom is really special, and not to be sneezed at.
So stop sneezing at it.
2. I doubt anything you claim about Obama, because he did not claim on Meet the Press -- nor in any other forum, anywhere, at any time -- that he attended flag burnings. However, there is probably a local Boy Scout troop in your area that conducts them regularly. You should go, if you're a patriot.
3. It is false to claim Obama doesn't salute the flag. It's a lie. Shame on you for saying that. (Here's video to prove my point: http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/obama-leads-the-pledge-of-allegiance/ )
4. It's a crass, crude and despicable lie to claim Obama said he hates the national anthem. What sort of disease or what amount of what drugs would cause anyone to say such a thing?
I started from the beginning and read almost all of the comments. Have any of you that post here done that? A lot of you have changed your views from 2009 to present or are so soft on your views that you don't know where you stand yourself. This CARTOON is trying to say something that many of you don't get or understand. History is repeating itself, as it always has. The constitution is worded so that it gives rights to "THE PEOPLE". THAT'S US. To give us "THE PEOPLE" the right to vote who we want in office. To many people have forgotten what this country stands for. Freedom and Capitalism are what this country IS founded on, freedoms that no other country has. If any of you have read the many "FOUNDING DOCUMENTS" you would understand what the CARTOON was trying to say. In just the past 10 to 15 years haw many freedoms have we lost because of the minority of people that are offended by the freedoms that we knew when we were growing up? How many of you are even old enough to remember? It seems to me that a lot of you are so centered on statics that you don't see the changes that have occured. Sure, some of you just think that saying the pledge of allegence is no big deal, or being able to fly the "AMERICAN FLAG" wherever or whenever you want is that big of a deal, or to pray when you want, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! You people that think that those things are an invasion of your rights to have to put up with seeing or hearing, you have STOMPED on what has built this great nation. Yes, this country has become so sensitive to all other races and have bowed down to THEIR culture, so much that our culture no longer exists. How many of you remember learning about ELlIS ISLAND? Those people came over her for a better life, they learned our way of life and OUR language. They worked hard to be apart of THIS country, NOT THE ONE THEY LEFT. It makes me sick to think about what we have become. When was the last time we stood as a nation, to stand up for what we are? George Bush, and the "TWIN TOWERS". How long did it take for us to forget? Less than a year, except for the memorials that are held every year to remember the families and loved ones. Our memory span is so short and we are so engolfed in our own lives that thats all we care about. I think that the cause of saving this country and our freedoms are more important than that of letting other cultures dictating what we should become. Agendas have no place in government unless it is to make it smaller.Some of you want to blame the other administrations for the mess that we're in but the current administration wants to blame any event, be it natural or man made, on the current state of our country. Pick any event that has happened in the last 3 years and there is an excuse for why we are in debt to the point we are. Do you believe that this country should be toting the bill for so many other countries when we can't even take care of our own?What are we teaching our children? Someone will always take care of us. That is what the "ISM" in the CARTOON was telling us back in 1948. Let us take care of you, we can do it better than you can. If you understand the CARTOON then you SHOULD understand what is happening in this country right now. Our government has become way to big and we have become way to small. "WE THE PEOPLE" need to start standing up for what we once had and make our voice heard. The only way we can do that is to vote. If you don't vote you have no voice and therefore you shouldn't be voicing your opinion anywhere. If you read this, thank you and if you watched the CARTOON and UNDERSTOOD it then you know where I am coming from. There are a lot of you that don't and believe that it is the GOVERNMENTS JOB to take care of you and or it is your right to have everything that the wealthy have. NO! You have the right to, "LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PERSUITE OF HAPPINESS.
Henry: What freedoms have been taken away from you? I am 53 years old and through both Republican and Democrat Presidents, I can't think of one. I can still say what I want to say, I can still own a gun, I can still go to any church I want, etc. I seriously can't think of anything that I used to do that I can't do now. Help me out here.
This is the definition of watered down propaganda. Try to look beyond the simplified message, that capitalism equals freedom.
Most analytical adults do not rely on decades-old cartoon versions of reality (particularly racist, sexist, WASPy cartoon versions), to affirm their present day political beliefs.
Look at the context and the actual implications of what "ism" is. McCarthyism died less than ten years after this cartoon was made. Let's not resurrect that shameful period of our history.
Thank you Travel Bug. I agree with you. We can learn from history, but it is a different world now. The Founding Fathers could have NEVER realized how this world would change. We are a global market. They would have never dreamed planes would fly in to our buildings. They would have never imagined our technology. It is time for us to look toward the future and quit trying to change things to mirror the past. That is why I am proud to say I am a Progressive.
Ok, so you really believe that history isn't repeating itself? They tried to take freedoms away from us back then and they have already taken freedoms form us, like I said before. PROGRESS IV "ISM'? Is that what taking away our freedoms is all about? Lets just move forward and forget the past. THE PAST IS WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW!!!!! OUR forefathers did foresee a lot of what is happening, no not the thing you mentioned but the fact the GOVERNMENT get to big, and that is exactly what happend, but through time all the ratifications and amendments have gotten way out of hand. Government has gotten way to big. AND YES, obama has contributed to it exponentially.. there is your PROGRESS IV "ISM"....
Ok, so you really believe that history isn't repeating itself? They tried to take freedoms away from us back then and they have already taken freedoms form us, like I said before. PROGRESS IV "ISM'? Is that what taking away our freedoms is all about? Lets just move forward and forget the past. THE PAST IS WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW!!!!! OUR forefathers did foresee a lot of what is happening, no not the thing you mentioned but the fact the GOVERNMENT get to big, and that is exactly what happend, but through time all the ratifications and amendments have gotten way out of hand. Government has gotten way to big. AND YES, obama has contributed to it exponentially.. there is your PROGRESS IV "ISM"....
Ok, so you really believe that history isn't repeating itself? They tried to take freedoms away from us back then and they have already taken freedoms form us, like I said before. PROGRESS IV "ISM'? Is that what taking away our freedoms is all about? Lets just move forward and forget the past. THE PAST IS WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW!!!!! OUR forefathers did foresee a lot of what is happening, no not the thing you mentioned but the fact the GOVERNMENT get to big, and that is exactly what happend, but through time all the ratifications and amendments have gotten way out of hand. Government has gotten way to big. AND YES, obama has contributed to it exponentially.. there is your PROGRESS IV "ISM"....
What about freedom of privacy, police and other Federal agency's can now come on to someone's driveway and attach a GPS tracker on any vehicle they wish, even Bush never went that far. Bush had permission to tap phone calls coming to and from known terrorists, or suspected terrorists. If it was found these calls were only private conversations, they were erased, and those people were removed from the lists. Obama is now using the same technology to listen in on anyone they wish to tap without a warrant, and took it even further by listening in on cell phone calls, which are also being used to track people. Even now they are have the ability to remotely turn on MS Sync and OnStar, up to and including cell phones. Bush was damned for doing less and you all screamed about it, but with Obama in the WH, it's okay now.
Freedom of some speech and privacy, as they can look at anyone's private emails, follow them on the Web, and have even setup a website to report on what people are what others are saying about the Government and being reported by the populace. While it is now illegal to pray in schools, why are Muslims given a special room where they are allowed to perform up to three of the five prayers they say each day? Is Islam not recognized as a religion?
Oh, and Obama and Sarkozy need to apologize for the open mike remark the two they made about Netanyahu at the G-20 meeting in France. Not to mention the IAEA has found the Iranians are building nuclear weapons and all Obama is doing is wanting more Sanctions, the White House has also set up direct internet connections directly in Tehran for the sole purpose, should Iran want to discuss anything with the U.S. Obama is not a president as we know them to be, he has constantly sided with Muslims against our own nation. He is now pulling the remainder of our troops from Iraq, upon that announcement they now have a Sharia led government, and no way to protect themselves from Al Qaeda, just to keep a campaign promise when one should have never been made, just like Gitmo is still open.
This is my opinion and I am sticking to every word!
First of all, let's drop the hyphenated cultures, I am not aware of any, nor do I know any 'African-Americans, nor do I know any Mexican-Americans or Muslim-Americans who were actually born in this country. In fact, most Black people have never even visited Africa, Mexico, or any Arab and / or Muslim state/country, they were born here then they are Americans, period.
Yet even well known (White) comedians are not allowed to joke about any race, it may offend them...Have you heard Black and Mexican comedians joke most about, White people. Although I am unaware of any Muslim Comedians, except when Obama makes a joke, or when he attends the National Press Club dinner. (he's t he one who said he was Muslim, both in his book, and on at least two news videos from speeches, which a few copies can be found on YouTube).
It is just like the President in 2010 when the economy was briefly looking up (ever so slightly, hardly noticeable) made a prime time speech when he claimed it was now HIS economy, now that it is in the tank again it is once again Bush's fault. Call me crazy, but I vividly remember the Declaration of Independence saying that "All men are created equally"
Jailed border agent's family warned of massive fine 'Notice of intent to offset' sent to home, even though Diaz is in federal prison.
The federal government has sent a collection notice to the family of a Border Patrol agent who was jailed and fined for putting his knee in the lower back of a handcuffed , a known drug smuggler [Name Redacted] behind his back and pressing the suspect to the ground, an approved process for any typical arrest to counter resistance, exactly as they are taught at the Academy.
Although BPA Diaz had set the young man free, and allowed him to cross back into Mexico, but did keep and turned in the drugs to his office, President Andy Ramirez of the Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council, the organization working on a defense for Jesus E. Diaz Jr.
Congress has been asked to hold hearings to uncover why U.S. law enforcement officers are being charged, prosecuted and sent to prison for apparently doing what their jobs require. That call came from Ramirez of the LEOAC, which is working on Diaz' case. The officer was sentenced to 24 months in a Federal Prison and fined nearly $7,000 for his conviction based on the testimony of a drug smuggler caught with 75 lbs of illegal drugs.
DHS informed the Mexican Consulate in El Paso Texas to locate the young man in Mexico, amazingly he was found within a month, although the location of where he was found was never announced. Even though it was announced he had been located, it took the Mexican Diplomats over a week to return him to San Antonio on a DOJ prepaid airline ticket under immunity to testify against Agent Diaz.
During the trial, the young man reportedly was not the same one who was arrested, then freed by Diaz. The other three Border Patrol Agents with Diaz when the arrest was initially made, were not allowed to testify at the trial, either in the capacity of the encounter and arrest or the identification of the older teen who had been caught (for the second time). One of the observing Border Patrol Agents (name withheld) had been a both arrests.
Cont...Now, Ramirez has confirmed that Diaz' wife, also an agent with the U.S Border Patrol, got a "Notice of Intent to Offset" regarding the fine in her husband's case. Her husband, in federal custody, was served with his termination papers in his cell. But Ramirez said the collection notice was sent to Diaz' home, where his wife continues to live and care for their children.
"We strongly urge you to pay this debt immediately," states the unsigned letter. "If you do not pay your debt, federal law allows agencies to refer debts to the United States Department of the Treasury for the purpose of collecting debts through the Treasury Offset Program."
The letter warns that if 60 days pass and the "debt" is not paid – or a repayment agreement isn't signed – the government will target federal income tax refunds, federal salary, any retirement pay, other federal benefits and any payments made by states.
The Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council has the transcript of the trial on their website, here is a links to the .PDFs of the letter sent to A.G. Holder on from Congressman Duncan Hunter.
The case regarding the GPS being attached to your car has not been ruled on yet by the US Supreme Court. Arguments were heard yesterday, so you obviously have not done your research. As far as the Patriot Act, that was instituted under that last President and some parts of it continued under President Obama. The last President broke 3 Geneva Convention laws and one US law in regard to torture. You can still say and do what you want. There is not a freedom that you were born with that has been taken away. You have the same constitutional rights that you were born with. To say otherwise is a lie!
Yes, Patriot, we know, Republicans good; Democrats evil. we've heard your tired, old song for a long while. Besides, along with most Republicans/T-Baggers, I'm sure you're subconsciously convinced that this is the case: George Bush=white=good; Barrack Obama=...
Yes Joy that is true, but they are allowed to continue until the ruling, which will go all the way to the Supreme Court. About the Geneva Convention, where were they when Obama illegally crossed the Pakistani border to conduct the Operation to kill bin Laden (I am happy he is gone for good, and in that respect...Kudos to Obama), but that does not erase the fact that is WAS against the Geneva Convention, then did the same in Yemen, but again kudos to Obama for taking out Alaki. Although the question has been raised by many, including members of his own party, "Can the U.S. Military follow an action to kill an American (who I think deserved it) without a trial? If you are referring to Bush and the water boarding, which lead to the capture of many Al Qaeda operatives (and Hillary and Pelosi lied about not being informed and present when it was decided that the operation for water boarding of Al Qaeda killers), hand writing experts have verified her signature on the operation of water boarding Gitmo prisoners). So, Joy...please tell me what the other two Geneva Laws did Bush break? It's funny that I have not heard one word from Geneva about the Muslim crimes against humanity! I had permission for the State Departments of Reagan and Clinton for working in Embargoed and hostile dangerous countries to the U.S. and/or its citizens, all they wanted in return was some information. I was even allowed a second passport since I had been in Israel many times, one cannot enter a Muslim country with that stamp in my passport, although Israel would allow me in with a Muslim stamp, there was work there as well, and I have made many, many friends in both religions. However if I were to get into trouble, I had to sign a waiver that the United States of America would not be held responsible in the event something did happen, and in a few instances I was in fear of my life. While in Libya (almost seven years there). I often had to make the trip from our camp in the middle of the Libyan Sahara, and the 2,000 mile trek to our home office in Tripoli. Any of us who made that trip knew the first place to stop for fuel was in Sirte, while fueling my truck, I witnessed a really bad accident on the coastal highway that very same day. I was asked by the Benzene Attendant (what they called gasoline and diesel), had I seen what happened and would I go with him to report the incident. Without hesitation I accompanied him to the main police there. As it turned out , they didn't want to speak to me about what I had seen, instead I was accused of being a spy for Interpol (Idoits). After the interrogation, they were to take me back to my truck, but instead I was taken to the local small prison the cell they kept me in had nothing but a dirt floor, no running water, no bed, nothing at all but a 3x3 ft. bared window. For three solid months I was tortured almost every day, and it was sever. Where was the Geneva Convention then, by then many knew of my imprisonment. Secretary of State Clinton asked me not to publish my book when I sent her a rough manuscript, as it "could shed a bad light on Muslims and Islam", like I really care! Not sure of which regime would take it better, Kaddafi or the new Muslim Brotherhood in power at this point. I can tell you for a fact that water boarding is nothing, I certainly do not consider it torture, as I said in 130+ degrees it was refreshing, and about the only thing close to bathing and getting a a few drinks of water. My story has been documented and the rest can be translated from Gothic Arabic. As for as the details, I am saving that for the book. But what really shocked my family and friends, is that I went back after many surgeries and healing, plus I was granted a trial this time, and stayed two more years.
@masitre, I never said Democrats were evil, just the progressives who seem to have a goal of complete power. Not to mention, there have been and still are many Republicans I do not like or agree with, unlike many others, I am not one of those anything goes for the party I belong to... And for your information, I would rather be a T-Party guy than a Flea Party, such as those on the further Left who are supporting the anarchists.
Waterboarding IS torture and it DID NOT produce ANY al-Qaeda operatives. Not-a-one. I have investigated this completely. As a matter of fact, the opposite of torture worked. Please Patriot, talk facts. The GOP always talks about American values, well one of the United States of America's values is that we do not torture. bush/cheney gave this country a bad reputation. As I have said before, watch how many times bush or cheney leave this country. They won't. There are many countries that will arrest them for war crimes. Come on my friend. We are a nation of laws.
magistre, Obviously you out of your league when you when you nit pick...No, I am not above any laws, but I at least believe in them, very much unlike someone such as Obama and his Admin., especially the DOJ. By the way, neither of you commented on the Diaz situation, I was looking for input from you guys. pitiful, and pathetic and your collapsing little Ideals. We do not only come from a different party, but so much more. One day you'll know what I mean. It does sadden me that you may never get it, I do hope you can one day find peace within yourself, truly.
Amazing how much hate comes from the religious right! Sad, really. President Obama is a middle-of-the road Democrat; he's not in the far left wing and never has been. It was the Republicans who signed a pledge to a private individuals (Norquist) rather than to the people who voted them into office. It is the Republicans who have consistently voted no to everything Obama has proposed, just because he proposed it. It is the Republicans who cannot have an honest debate about the issues but who resort to name-calling because they cannot make a logical argument.
There is no President and there is no Congress who will please 100% of all Americans. The only way to move forward is to accept that there are two sides to every issue, find common ground between them, and forge compromises which benefit the country as a whole.
I don't understand the outrage against the health care law. An individual mandate (a Republican idea originally) is fine with me because I resent paying for the uninsured through increased insurance costs that are passed on to me. I have a pre-existing condition. I'm glad I can't be forced out so the insurance company can save a buck.
Finally, to all of the 'Christians'. Wasn't Jesus humble, forgiving, and kind? Didn't he tell the people to pay their taxes and honor their government? Do you seriously think he would look kindly on the hate in your hearts?
@Janet, with all due respect, do not forget it is a two way street. Democrats have blocked almost every Bill coming out of the House. There should never have been a way for all three branches of Government to go through, it creates a monopoly, EVERYONES interests (people belonging to differing parties) should be taken into account. Obama had it that way for two years. As to what you spoke to' re: the Individual Mandate is 'unconstitutional' with respect to the fact that the U.S. Government is NOT allowed to force one to purchase something they may not want, mandated by our Government. Should this be allowed, then anything goes (It Was NOT a Republican Idea...EVER!!!) then next the Government can tell you how to care for your child, what you eat, they model of car you drive, what brands you can purchase, and so on...Then the other companies could just be closed by our own Government. In many states/cities they already have mandated the removal of salt from eateries, namely New York. In many schools in mainly Liberal states/cities a child can no longer bring their own lunch to school, the schools feed them what is considered a nutritious diet with vegetables, soy burgers, leafy greens, and although I think it would be good for our children, they simply will not eat them, leaving it all in the lunch room wasted, and go hungry the rest of the day. This has been found by many doctors to be dangerous to children who participate in sports, and girls in cheerleading, field dance, and both sexes in Band. As for hate, I experience it on these sites every single day I am online, there is just as much if not more coming from Democrats and Liberals, however regarding religion, they are not teaching hate, they are teaching from the Holy Bible, and have been for since before it was written..."as the Spoken Word". This is why our founding fathers included Freedom of Religion, so there would not be a single faith left out, it also falls under Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Speech. Are you willing to post to a Muslim Website the same thing? You would be hunted down and killed for doing it there, today our schools have banned Christian prayer, however they still allow Muslim children the time to say up to three of the five prayers per day, as Islam mandates. We are certainly not a Religious State, but we are allowed to practice our beliefs, something else our Constitution Insists on, as how it should be. I for one am a believer, but I have never pushed my faith on anyone, ever...I coexist with non-believers, many of whom are my friends! Please read the 2nd amendment, on freedom to bear arms, that is not all it says. It also says, and tell me what it means. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This was to insure that a Government who stepped out of favor with the majority of people who believe the government no longer represents the people or is the government allows allegiance to another type of state that is NOT in line with the Constitution, they (the people) have the right to take the country back. However, today that is no longer possible, provisions have been put in place so that can never happen. I may not like what the other party stands for, are what is said on this page, but I will fight to my death to protect their right to say what they will, given that it is not slandering anyone.
I would bet few that write here were even alive in 1948 and there fore don't remember what our country was and is all about. The foreign Professors are teaching Socialism and few even know that is what they are learning. I lived in a foreign country and while the people were good, the Poliitical system kept all down and out! The ones that work pay for the ones that dont' and the Entitlements run out cause the workers can't support those on the Dole, any more and we see this all over the European Continent. Government going broke and now in our country, cause we can't support the many with so much out of work. Our Unions wanted higher and higer wages, that the Manufactures couldn't / wouldn't pay and so they moved overseas, Out -sourcing our jobs with them. The libbyist / politicians/ unions and manufacturers are to blame. GE 56,000 products made over seas, china. Light blubs made in Poland. Apple employes 400,000 in China. Micro soft. Out-sourced all right and our jobs with them. All because of GREED. We have to find a way to bring back the jobs to the U.S thru higer taxes to companies that manufacture abroad and limit what they can ship back here, if made over seas by an American Company. We can't build the industrial base we once had again, as we did in the 20"s and 30"s with the immigrants that were needed then to work the factories that were building the greatest nation ever. Now we have a country filling wiith immigrants that we can't find work for them, let alone Native Americans. We have to bring the jobs and industry back home. We are heading toward a Socialistic Society and it does not work! as shown by those that are Socialistic now! Going broke or are broke. Some of our people can't see this as they have not any experience with other countries that are Socalistic. j.S
I agree Jack, I too have spent more than half of my career overseas, once a dual citizen of England, we also had a main office in Aberdeen...from there to almost every Middle Eastern country (including six years in Libya).
That is why anyone who is not a proud American, such as the Occupy Flee-baggers (for example) should HAVE to live overseas for a couple of years to really appreciate the U.S. Obama could not get Cap 'n Tax passed, so he just turned it over to the EPA for enforcement. Sadly this is not the first time he or his Administration have usurped the House, nor will he stop. No county has ever survived with Stimulus programs and the only few jobs actually created, have been for the Unions. The Capital Gains Tax on business must be left alone, not increased as well as tossing out the 180,000 pages of new Regulations. ObamaCare is another thing holding Big Businesses back, they are setting on no less than $2.4 Trillion dollars, but cannot see the future. For God's sake, the Jobs Czar is Jeffery Immelt, head of G.E. who has moved the Medical part of G.E. to China, and just recently moved their Aircraft company over to China as well. How the hell can he be in charge of jobs sending half of G.E. to China, while Obama whines about other American manufactures there too, then has the nerve to call Americans "Lazy". Even Clinton allowed Loral to help China with their (classified) missile guidance systems, but only to use for communications satellites. Yeah, right...The put them in their Nukes too! I would also like to know where China got the plans for the F-22 Raptor, the Chinese showed it off on Obama's summit over there.
Government cannot create jobs, the best they can do is to create the conditions for business (both big and small) to begin hiring and bringing back the companies who have moved offshore, if they do not come back, then levy extreme import dues and taxes since the U.S.A. are still the largest buyers. Literally force them to move back by doing this, or cut them off completely.
This is not much different that this Keystone XL pipeline, Obama (I still cannot believe this) approved of the pipeline, but it ticked off is base, and is now back-peddling on the deal till 2013, just to help him get re-elected, even the Unions are pissed. This political move cost us 20,000 jobs, and around 150,000 more for other jobs the pipeline would create though U.S. outsourcing. Canada is now saying that it may have to sell the oil to China, and America loses very high quality oil and jobs, this move cause the price of oil to start climbing again, making gas prices rise once again.
Canada is using American Technology to laterally drill into the oil sands using a safe "frack and squeeze" procedure that we once used in Colorado, now it's off limits, too!!! Republicans MUST win the presidency next year, even if my favorite doesn't make the nomination, I will vote (like them or not) vote for the nominee!!
To Jack Stuart: I am sick and tired of hearing that taxes is the reason jobs keep going overseas. It is cheap labor and greed. Period. We are in the shape we are in because the last President started 2 un-funded wars while disregarding domestic issues completely and then convincing everyone "trickle down" economics work.
To Patriot: The Republicans keep chanting, "create an environment" for job creation.." What exactly is that environment? Like bush w. created an environment? The House Republicans say they have between 15 and 22 job creating bills that the Senate is sitting on. Well I read 15 of the bills and they had NOTHING to do with jobs, they were kill the EPA bills. None of the regulations would not even take affect until 2015 to 2017. If anyone out there thinks that we are in this mess because of too much regulation, they are high. In the 90's we had major air pollution regulations enforced and before they were the GOP was screaming the same things they are screaming now, "massive job loss and higher energy costs." More jobs were created and energy costs went down to be exact. And if we are to believe that giving corporations tax breaks will create jobs, we don't have to look that far back in history to see that that is not true. Take the bush w. tax cuts as an example. You don't have to go far to find out what a country is like that does not have a middle class. Mexico is a fine example and the OWS people know it!
That is why anyone who is not a proud American, such as the Occupy Flee-baggers (for example) should HAVE to live overseas for a couple of years to really appreciate the U.S.
I'm sure that was just a typo, and you meant "Tea Baggers" instead of the group you named. Doesn't make sense otherwise.
Obama could not get Cap 'n Tax passed, so he just turned it over to the EPA for enforcement.
Total fiction. EPA can't enforce laws that have not been passed. Sadly, there has been no action in the U.S. on cap and trade, the Republican plan to reduce air pollution. Now even Republicans oppose it, claiming that if we can just poison our children enough, unemployment will be solved. I suppose they think that reducing the workforce through retro-final solution is a good idea. It's unAmerican, inexplicable, and embarrassing.
Sadly this is not the first time he or his Administration have usurped the House, nor will he stop.
"Usurping the House?" As if the Congress no longer is constituted of two houses, as the Constitution said? You guys really don't like that document, do you.
No county has ever survived with Stimulus programs and the only few jobs actually created, have been for the Unions.
Except in the U.S. after 1941, the great stimulus programs of the WPA and CCC earlier, the Transcontinental Railroad, the Erie Canal, and every modern western nation.
The Capital Gains Tax on business must be left alone, not increased as well as tossing out the 180,000 pages of new Regulations.
Yeah. Businesses have been doing a bang-up job of creating jobs since 2005, so let's let the "job creators," the people who benefit from capital gains taxes, keep taking money from the hides of the poor and middle class. God knows the poor and middle class don't invest in those job creation plans, like moving Halliburton to Qatr. Our great old philanthropic uncle, Joseph "Boss" Tweed, always said "Capital gains is what we need -- only little people pay taxes." Or something like that.
In any case, you win the Leona Helmsley award for this thread.
ObamaCare is another thing holding Big Businesses back, they are setting on no less than $2.4 Trillion dollars, but cannot see the future.
If we fail to note that without the health reform plan, Big Businesses would be set back no less that $4.8 trillion, you have a point.
Cannot see the future? Well, no, if you don't look.
Thanks again Ed for stating facts. We have enough fiction coming from the right. The Republicans are good at one thing, you got to admit. They say the same things over and over and people start to believe it!!!! They are excellent at brainwashing!
@Joy, would you please stop turning extremist taking points to Mr. Alinsky, who (if you care to read the book, “Rules for Radicals” you will find where he tells the ‘soon to be aspiring radicals’, and I quote: “If you say the same thing over and over again, people will believe it, especially if you can get the press to help.” So, don’t even try and drop that saying on the Republicans, when Democrats and their Mainstream Media not only practice the Alinksy rule, they have fine-tuned it…
I had a really good day when after Obama took the Buffet bait about taxing the rich more, and his infamous line “I pay less income tax than my secretary”, then Obama began using that and called it the “Buffet Plan”. Is anyone other than those who know why Buffet made the statement in the first place? HE DOES NOT TAKE A SALARY, only the profits, if people were watching when Buffet asked the president NOT to name his plan after him for that very reason. Here is the ‘kicker’; Warren Buffet is now SUEING THE I.R.S. for unfair over-taxation on his corporations.
I would have loved to seen the look on ‘Perez’ Barack bin Obama’s face when he heard about that one…ROFL…Ya gotta love it when these leftists hypocrites expose themselves, why you may ask? They never practice what they preach. Now that is Stimulus…
Ed, as much as I have disagreed with your comments, I don’t poke my nose into your posts, therefore I would ask you leave mine alone till you are amongst the enlightened, thank you.
Ed, as much as I have disagreed with your comments, I don’t poke my nose into your posts, therefore I would ask you leave mine alone till you are amongst the enlightened, thank you.
We in the enlightened wish you would quit with the hallucinations and denial, and join. Poke your nose into the facts for a change.
By the way, it's not Buffet suing the IRS, it's one of the corporations Berkshire-Hathaway owns, and they are not suing because they claim taxes are too high, only that the law is unclear on who is supposed to collect the taxes, and where. It's an issue of the taxes airlines and jets pay to support FAA activities -- and one more indication that those who worship this cartoon don't know their burro from a burrow.
Patriot: Ok, let's assume Buffet only collects profits. It is still common knowledge that the administrative assistant/secretary of a CEO pays a higher percentage of taxes. They do not have the loopholes that are afforded a CEO of a large corporation. It is a myth that millionaires/billionaires pay a rate of appx. 35%. After exemptions/loopholes, they average paying 18%. In the super-committee that just failed the Democrats wanted to lower the high end rate, but get rid of the loopholes. The Republicans said no because they are up Grover's butt and Grover said that getting rid of loopholes is the same as raising taxes.
Funny how people put "Support Our Troops" bumper stickers on their cars, but if the government asked them to pay 2% more in taxes, they say, hell no! And one of the reasons we are in this CF is because the last President started 2 unfunded wars and unfunded Medicare prescription plan AND lowered taxes. Good God! So, please don't blame THIS President for the hole we are in. Makes me sick how all the sudden the GOP has found this new "fiscal responsibility" religion and on top of that act like they are pro's at it! PLLLEEEAAASSSSEEEE!
It is in the best interest of government to keep the citizens divided. A divided citizenry cannot police its government so we tend to wind up with a 2- or multi-party system. Whatever you may believe, your enemy is not the Democrats or the Republicans, specifically, but the government itself. Parties simply foment chaos where none would otherwise exist.
I am saddened my fellow Countrymen are unable to see the great Evil they perpetuate by contributing to this division among us.
If any of you is actually serious about finding a solution to our Nation's problems, read 2 Chronicles 7:14. Therein lies THE SOLUTION, and there is no other. Put YOUR house in order and stop worrying about everyone else's; trust God to take care of them in His time.
Until this happens we will continue to elect the likes of Bush, Clinton, Obama etc. and we'll be getting exactly what we deserve.
Geezus. And again it turns out that just about every last thing Patriot types is factually and provably wrong.
Is there any chance that Patriot will admit he's wrong when confronted with undeniable facts proving he's wrong? I'm guessing he'll ignore that he was wrong and type some new thing that he will be proven wrong about.
motorpoodle, he will never admit to the possibility of being wrong, after all, he is so much better than the rest of us. (or did you miss his swagger?) If you want to have some fun, though, sneak up behind him and yell as loud as you can: "Zeig!". You know how he will respond, just like all good Republican'ts...
Let's give a big round of applause for Ed. Thank you Ed for taking the time to get the FACTS on this blog. Totally refreshing. I would do more research, but I have been super busy with the Grand-babies. Happy Thanksgiving to ALL!
The tenet of the cartoon is correct. As a teacher, I was a member of a union. A union that did nothing in the name of children, but were constantly negotiating to better themselves and attain less accountability. I was elected the president of our local union with the intent of improving the lot for children. When my agenda came to light, there was such a furor that I was forced to resign. Frankly, I am a "patriot" and a Christian and as such my allegiance is not to the White House or who occupies it, my allegiance is to the God who created all things that I enjoy. If that offends someone, I offer no apologies. I also served in the defense of our country and was stationed in areas that do not enjoy the freedoms we do. Though you won't think much of my opinion, I do not want in the United States of America what I saw in those countries. Though, I voted for him, I know that Bush made a lot of mistakes. So have I and all of you, but we need not dwell on the past, we must look forward to a more positive future. It matters not to me who is elected since my God said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." I was eight when this cartoon was made and at seventy-one, it looks just like the front page of todays newspaper. This life is a learning experience and we had better learn for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. A better world begins with me.
It is simply amazing how close the snake oil salesman is in looks to Obama ... Wonder if Ayn Rand helped out with this one for the kids? Course, almost half the adults wouldn't understand it anyway?
In Australia , there is a law where u have to vote or you are fined a large amount of money. It would be great to have a law like that in the United States of America, and get rid of the electoral college nonsense. If everyone was forced to vote I think America would be a lot different, people would actually believe that their voices are being heard. Elections wouldn't be about what state has the highest electoral votes but how many popular votes. This country would still be #1 in the world if all our jobs weren't over seas and we had all our freedoms, like the one to privacy that was just taken away in the name of security. The America people, no matter what race, religion, or how much you make, we all need to come together as Americans and demand our freedom back. Enough is enough, we can no longer let our government scare us into giving up our rights and freedoms because they think its necessary. On election day 2012 is our day to all vote as one and take back America. Restore it to the great country it was once. No longer should we have to live from pay to pay check, not being able to give ourselves and our children the lives they deserve. We need stand up and scream till we are all blue in the face and say "WE WILL NO LONGER LIVE IN FEAR. WE WILL NO LONGER FEEL LIKE OUR VOICES DON'T COUNT. WE WANT JOBS THAT PAY WELL, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN PRIVACY, AND WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK. NO MORE LIES, NO MORE GIVING TO THE RICH AND STEALING FROM THE MIDDLE OR LOWER INCOME AMERICAN. WE REFUSE TO LIVE THIS WAY!!!
http://useconomy.about.com/od/people/p/Warren-Buffett.htm The Loop-hole he is using to avoid paying taxes each year, his money goes into stocks, money markets, bonds, and trades in China, he will not be taxed until he cashes out or withdraws. His accountants are a pure geniuses!
" We in the enlightened" Give me a freaking break! then you write this " By the way, it's not Buffet suing the IRS, it's one of the corporations Berkshire-Hathaway owns" and who is the chairman and CEO...it's Warren Buffett, so who approves the lawsuit. Perhaps it is you who should quit with the hallucinations and denial. It is not the responsibility for the Government to create jobs, it is up the President to create the conditions for job creation, or are you not enlighten enough to know something that simple, Ed. We cannot improve with only Union and Green Jobs (which continue to fail).
By the way, have you seen this yet: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-14/html/2011-14919.htm this is going to be trouble, locate the actual Bill and read it throughout.
To: Megznyc You are exactly correct. The electoral college should have been abolished decades ago. The electoral college prohibits our votes from being counted. It shouldn't matter what state you are from, each of the citizens of that state should count as one vote and that way each individual's vote actually means each and everyone of us is part of the election. I haven't heard one good argument that supports the proposition that we should keep the electoral college. Kudos!
ALL our previous leaders since 1913 have been corrupted by the bankers and CFR One-World Government and Mega corporation plotters who pull the strings of Congress and the President. They are the supposedly Democrat and Republican CONgressmen who play us in the Left-right voting game chosen to enslave us all with the LIES meant and make us fight a pointless battle of who is less wrong while voting for a "lesser evil". YOUR PARTY IS LYING TO YOU! BOTH sides have unconstitutionally increased the size, scope and power of government for the last 90+ years thru their LIES in the media they control for "supposedly good reasons". As government power increases (as it has during EVERY administration- YES even Reagans) OUR power (over our own lives) decreases! Vote ONLY for Ron Paul and small government Libertarian candidates to re-take our freedom lost to Big (communist) government!!!
**In 2003, capital gains tax rates were reduced. Rather than expand by 36% as the Congressional Budget Office projected before the tax cut, capital gains revenues more than doubled to $103 billion. **The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs, followed by 5 million jobs in the next seven quarters. **The CBO incorrectly calculated that the post-March 2003 tax cuts would lower 2006 revenues by $75 billion. Revenues for 2006 came in $47 billion above the pre-tax cut baseline.
Here’s what else happened after the 2003 tax cuts lowered the rates on income, capital gains and dividend taxes: GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1%. The S&P 500 dropped 18% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts but increased by 32% over the next six quarters.
The timing of the lower tax rates coincides almost exactly with the stark acceleration in the economy. Nor was this experience unique. The famous Clinton economic boom began when Congress passed legislation cutting spending and cutting the capital gains tax rate. Those are the facts. That’s not what you hear in the media, but they are the facts.
Now this: A teacher in Pa. Middle School, was teaching her class (each period) about a new Theme and Christmas Play, then as she began, she told the class this..."But little did Santa know that was far and beyond was a steady drumbeat...yes a movement was swelling and the masses were organizing and the dispossessed were fining their strength and their voices and their power to declare 'we are one, and we are not going to take this anymore. Occupy North Pole was born. Then it showed some students rehearsing with a Santa leading the Occupy dance.
While on the subject, have you heard of the SEIU's new job hiring (this is NOT a joke), and training the hired applicants how to Occupy and organize people on how to Occupy Private Businesses, local Government buildings, Tea Party meetings and rallies by claiming they are with the Tea Party, RNC meetings, Republican House and Senate personal homes during the Holidays Presidential Speeches and Debates, wealthy people, and how to avoid getting arrested. Sickneing!!!...cont.
**In 2003, capital gains tax rates were reduced. Rather than expand by 36% as the Congressional Budget Office projected before the tax cut, capital gains revenues more than doubled to $103 billion. **The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs, followed by 5 million jobs in the next seven quarters. **The CBO incorrectly calculated that the post-March 2003 tax cuts would lower 2006 revenues by $75 billion. Revenues for 2006 came in $47 billion above the pre-tax cut baseline.
Here’s what else happened after the 2003 tax cuts lowered the rates on income, capital gains and dividend taxes:
GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1%.
The S&P 500 dropped 18% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts but increased by 32% over the next six quarters.
The timing of the lower tax rates coincides almost exactly with the stark acceleration in the economy. Nor was this experience unique. The famous Clinton economic boom began when Congress passed legislation cutting spending and cutting the capital gains tax rate. Those are the facts. That’s not what you hear in the media, but they are the facts.
A teacher in Pa. Middle School, was teaching her class (each period) about a new Theme and Christmas Play, then as she began , she told the class this..."But little did Santa know that was far and beyond was a steady drumbeat...yes a movement was swelling and the masses were organizing and the dispossessed were fining their strength and their voices and their power to declare 'we are one, and we are not going to take this anymore. Occupy North Pole was born. Then it showed some students rehearsing with a Santa leading the Occupy dance.
While on the subject, have you heard of the SEIU's new job hiring (this is NOT a joke), and training the hired applicants how to Occupy and organize people on how to Occupy Private Businesses, local Government buildings, Tea Party meetings and rallies by claiming they are with the Tea Party, RNC meetings, Republican House and Senate personal homes during the Holidays Presidential Speeches and Debates, wealthy people, and how to avoid getting arrested. The whole country is falling apart under this Prez!
Sorry for the doulbe post, this shoud have been the beginning:
Reagan and Bush 43 vs. Obama on the Economy In 1980, President Carter and his supporters in the Congress and news media asked, “how can we afford” presidential candidate Ronald Reagan’s proposed tax cuts? Mr. Reagan’s critics claimed the tax cuts would lead to more inflation and higher interest rates, while Mr. Reagan said tax cuts would lead to more economic growth and higher living standards. What happened? Inflation fell from 12.5 percent in 1980 to 3.9 percent in 1984, interest rates fell, and economic growth went from minus 0.2 percent in 1980 to plus 7.3 percent in 1984, and Mr. Reagan was re-elected in a landslide.
Despite the fact that federal revenues have varied little (as a percentage of GDP) over the last 40years, there has been an enormous variation in top tax rates. When Ronald Reagan took office, the top individual tax rate was 70 percent and by 1986 it was down to only 28 percent. All Americans received at least a 30 percent tax rate cut; yet federal tax revenues as a percent of GDP were almost unchanged during the Reagan presidency (from 18.9 percent in 1980 to 18.1 percent in 1988).
What did change, however, was the rate of economic growth, which was more than 50 percent higher for the seven years after the Reagan tax cuts compared with the previous seven years. This increase in economic growth, plus some reductions in tax credits and deductions, almost entirely offset the effect of the rate reductions. Rapid economic growth, unlike government spending programs, proved to be the most effective way to reduce unemployment and poverty, and create opportunity for the disadvantaged.
After Bush took office of President Bush signed the first wave of tax cuts in 2001, cutting rates and providing tax relief for families by, for example, doubling of the child tax credit to $1,000.
At Congress’ insistence, the tax relief was initially phased in over many years, so the economy continued to lose jobs. In 2003, the Speaker of the House (Newt Gingrich), Congress made Bush's earlier tax relief was put into place effective immediately. Congress also lowered tax rates on capital gains and dividends to encourage business investment, which had been lagging.
It was the then that the economy turned around. Within months of enactment, job growth shot up, eventually creating 8.1 million jobs through 2007. Tax revenues also increased after the Bush tax cuts, due to economic growth.
The cuts failed to spur growth. The cuts also increased the budget deficit, shifted the tax burden from the rich to the middle and working classes, and further increased already high levels of income inequality.
"**The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs"
"GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1%."
"The timing of the lower tax rates coincides almost exactly with the stark acceleration in the economy."
Bush crashed the economy and the tax cuts ballooned the deficit.
"Those are the facts. That’s not what you hear in the media, but they are the facts"
You won't hear them because they're lies you made up.
"yes a movement was swelling and the masses were organizing and the dispossessed were fining their strength and their voices and their power to declare 'we are one, and we are not going to take this anymore. Occupy North Pole was born."
Sounds awesome. I hope that one is true. Not even going to look.
"have you heard of the SEIU's new job hiring (this is NOT a joke), and training the hired applicants how to Occupy and organize people on how to Occupy Private Businesses, local Government buildings, Tea Party meetings and rallies by claiming they are with the Tea Party, RNC meetings, Republican House and Senate personal homes during the Holidays Presidential Speeches and Debates, wealthy people, and how to avoid getting arrested"
You made that one up too. There's not even a search result for that one. I've heard other liars try and say other groups they don't like are doing this but it's all a lie. You should be ashamed.
Interesting to read the comments...many are completely missing the point. "Liberty or death" (Patrick Henry) or "Live free or die" (the cry of Washington's troops crossing the Delaware River at night in a snow storm and the New Hampshire state motto) seems to have little meaning to these people...until it's too late. The Declaration of Independence states that we are "...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[74] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The constitution recognizes these unalienable rights, which include freedom of opportunity ("...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."), but not a guarantee of equal outcomes. One comment mentioned McCarthyism (yes, another ism), but the open discourse of ideas is anti-McCarthyism...let's call it democracy with freedom of speech, so yes, I would defend the right to say it but disagree altogether. Though I am not one of them, even if someone found the stated source of these rights objectionable certainly the rights themselves could be agreed upon by reasonable people.
Some say the measure of a just or civilized society is how those in the lowest state are provided for, in other words the safety net effect. I think this is true to an extent, but trying to achieve the same level regardless of skill or effort simply means widespread mediocrity. I do believe everyone deserves a fair opportunity and support that aspect of policy to address discrimination and punish unfair influence peddling, both of which are problems at opposite ends of the wealth and political spectrum. That said, in the creation of a societal safety net we should be aware of the inefficiency built into this transfer of resources, which is nicely summed up by Okun's Leaky Bucket analogy explained in the following article: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2309 It needs to be taken seriously and those tending to the left don't seem to want to acknowledge it nor the coercive nature of government control. The real political difficulty is in determining a reasonable and efficient point along the spectrum of creating the safety net and "fair" opportunity to no transfer of resources or safety net at all. Congress is pretty good at choosing the worst and most inefficient means; the size of the waste is staggering and seems intractable without some pretty radical reinvention likely requiring bipartisan statesmanship, a trait less than uncommon in those who "represent" us. In far fewer words and far greater wisdom:
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities. Thomas Jefferson
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. Thomas Jefferson
Motormouth, while pointing out the flaws in someone else's post it would be good not to propagate your own.
"Bush crashed the economy...."
I seem to remember an event on 9/11/2001 that cause the entire market to crash and has not fully recovered since. That seems to be difficult to overlook. The cuts had the same intention as the stimulus and neither have worked very well.
"The cuts failed to spur growth. The cuts also increased the budget deficit, shifted the tax burden from the rich to the middle and working classes, and further increased already high levels of income inequality."
Since NO taxes on income were increased this did not SHIFT a burden to anyone other than the ENTIRE next generation. Revenue did not actually decrease, but increases in spending widened the deficit.
I seem to remember an event on 9/11/2001 that cause the entire market to crash and has not fully recovered since. That seems to be difficult to overlook. The cuts had the same intention as the stimulus and neither have worked very well.
That's the problem with memory -- it fails you when you need it.
The economy recovered well from 2001. The housing bubble crash seven years later was much bigger, and took the economy down much farther and harder, and was the result of inadequate regulation from several different agencies, mostly under Bush's jurisdiction.
The market is still struggling to stay above 12,000 while in 2001 it was above 14,000, so to say we have recovered well from that event seems a stretch. Regarding the housing market crash, are you suggesting that Bush policies created the sub-prime mortgage lending that lead to the collapse? Gee, I think the record will show others involved in that debacle.
Wishing you and everyone a happy and more prosperous New Year!
A clarification in () and an addition at the end regarding housing.
Dear Ed,
First let me say have a great holiday!
The market is still struggling to stay above 12,000 while in 2001 it was above 14,000 (real or inflation adjusted - the 2007 high of 14k was still below the adjusted 2001 high), so to say we have recovered well from that event seems a stretch. Regarding the housing market crash, are you suggesting that Bush policies created the sub-prime mortgage lending that lead to the collapse? Gee, I think the record will show others involved in that debacle.
Wishing you and everyone a happy and more prosperous New Year!
Both crashes were disastrous...but listen to Barney explain it all....
Not to get overly picky here...I'm sure this is what you meant...the graph you reference is % growth in GDP, which was lower in the time frame you site, but the GDP did grow not decline as you state, it just grew at a lower growth rate.
"As you can see here GDP actually fell steadily from 2005 on until 2009."
I'm not necessarily being critical of a democratic view because I'm concerned about policies in both parties, so what problems do you see with a balanced budget amendment (a problem from both the left and the right)? Why do we subsidize industries that are not market failures (or any tax expenditures for that matter - why muck up the code)? Why do we have to accept a Dept of Energy whose purpose was to make us independent of foreign energy sources starting in the 70's, yet doesn't allow domestic development? Why can't the right accept responsibility to adopt sustainability at the same time we transition to better energy sources and lifestyles? Why not figure out a way to make it economically feasible and profitable? There is money to be made in doing so.
It seems senseless to argue the past (understand it, yes), without reaching toward our collective future. There is a legitimate role for government to play in this, but how do we go from "I win, you lose" to "win-win" for the sake of the generations to come? What we are doing now insures that the great experiment that is America will shine ever so brightly for a couple hundred years or so, then fade into the background. I am hopeful that somehow the best of both sides of the political spectrum realize that "mutually assured destruction" is an insane domestic policy.
Politics has always been a rough game, but let's try to focus on how to move the nation forward. Sustainability extends to government policy...we are in it for the long haul.
As I read some of the comments I notice that the quote in the cartoon... "When anybody preaches dis-unity, pits us against each other through class warfare, race hatred or religious intolerance, they seek to rob us of our freedom", seems to still work today. I read so many statements from people who buy into one party or another and place blame on the other party. This is the playbook that many politician use to get elected. We as "John Q. Public" can reverse this trend. Vote in candidates who promote unity, love, tolerance, freedom… and mean it!
Only Obama promotes unity, and too often that seems just a reference to his historical position that there's no great reason to fight to make government work; sadly, each of his efforts to talk with or work with Republicans has been rebuffed, often with disastrous results from the Republicans' actions (lower credit rating, anyone?).
Motor and Ed, you guys have to be joking...Right? Yeah, Obama promotes Unity, although not for Americans, unless they are One World Socialists. Other than a few other presidents (Wilson, FDR, LBJ and others who followed their belief systems), there was only about a handful of difference, in fact I voted for JFK. Those whom I mention above and a few others were OWG theorists, which is where we are now heading again, but so much farther this time around.
When Henry Ford was alive, his foundation was a good one, helping many get into schools, helping the poor, he paid to have setup shelters, back then the Shelters were very nice and well stocked with food and beds...It has turned into something dangerous to this country, as has the Carnegie Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and there are many newer ones, such as the Tides Foundation. Today they are still doing the same. However in 1913 (under Woodrow Wilson)something else was going on, something almost as bad as George Bernard Shaw's pro-Eugenics stance.
Obama has become more and more "Go-It -Alone" (according to one of his strategists) strategy again bypassing the House, this time the Senate, For a president to make a Recess Appointment, the House must be out of session for more than 10 days, the Senate no longer than 3 days. To avoid recess appointments, the Senate Republicans have been re-convening the Senate EVER 3 Days, the appointment of Cordray was unconstitutional anyway anyone looks at this. You cannot legally say that Republicans are holding your visions up, by doing the will of the people and get away with doing so...
As for unemployment has ONLY dropped to 8.5% for one reason, and one reason only, it is not the Creation of Jobs, it is the fact that after 2 years of those being on unemployment are now dropping off the rolls at an average of 350 to 400 per day. I have always believed that was the most ignorant way of keeping unemployment numbers (how many new people sign up) first of all, many are too proud to sign up for handouts, yet he most important fact is, there are almost 15 million still unemployed today. This is more that it was while the figure was at 9%. I am of the belief that we do indeed need a bill on Fairness in the Media, who rarely if even tell the other side of any story on Obama or his cohorts. Even on Fox News (the actual New Shows, not opinion based programs) BOTH sides are not only represented, but the stories themselves tell both sides from Democrat and Republican points of view.
During his campaign in 2008, Obama railed against the Patriot Act, Closing Gitmo, ending both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to end 'Sighing Statements' to end recess appointees, Obama has expanded all of these and more. All you have to do to see watch or listen to his campaign promises (Others include, never borrowing from China, to explicitly follow the Constitution more than any president before him, never to use the Federal Reserve to create money we do not have, his complete disregard for the U.S. Code (out basic Laws of the Land) is in violation of many of these laws.
The 14th Amendment must be stricken, there are no longer any true Black Slaves as in was in 1868 when the law was written. "The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868-9 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. It was written in a manner so as to prevent state governments (Held by Democrats) from ever denying citizenship to blacks born in the United States." Which party was responsible for enacting the 14th Amendment? The 39th Congress with Republicans in power.
Recently when the House approved the NDAA Bill which originated in the Senate, as usual it was sent to Lawmakers who approved it , only to later find out two sections were added after the signing, Sections 1301 and 1302. These were NOT in the Bill the House signed off on!
Freddie Mac/Mae last year was given $14 Billion bailout (somewhere north of $145 Billion Dollars total) now trying to place them under the Federal Reserve, and why? Obama has just cut the Defense budget in half (leaving us as weak as a third world country), and used the money to increase Welfare!!!
I am of the belief that Obama, Holder and a bevy of many others in the Administration are corrupt and not acting in the best interests of the United States of America. These are the ones destroying our Republic.
Patriot - You state: Obama has just cut the Defense budget in half (leaving us as weak as a third world country), and used the money to increase Welfare!!!
Thank you President Obama for cutting the defense spending in half. Our defense budget is more inflated than the next dozens or so of the next industrialized countries in the world combined. The defense budget is so out of control they can't even audit it. It makes me want to puke when the right wing nuts bash President Obama for out of control spending, but have no problem spending trillions on needless wars and making sure the military industrial complex is as bloated as a stuffed pig. It is a myth that we think that if we spend the most on the DOD, we are superior than our enemies. Biggest joke of century! All these pro-life Republicans have no problem slaughtering our own troops for no reason.. Hypocrits to the extreme!
As one reviews the history of how our government works we must approach the issues in a logical fashion. What do we want, How do we pay for it. What is the cost. and is it attainable. Under the old system as described in this film, 80% of all bills were paid by the middle class. Under the new system, as proposed in the last 12 years, the middle class is much smaller and poorer. So, we must cut back on all services, and cheapen our costs for food and other essentials. We must also tax the remaining productive people to run the system. If the middle class is defunct who will be paying? Jepthah
First things first, Ed...I am not a Tea Party supporter, I did not make the deal with for the House, although I do believe we should have stopped lending him money, he will just waste in on Crony Capitalism, nor am I in favor with the proposed new debt limit where Obama "needs?" another $1.2 Trillion (just for the rest of the year)!!! Would you pay a Plumber who destroyed your home? - This takes care of your first two invalid points.
We have the largest Military (in money only, Russia and China only pay what they want to pay) or have you not figured that one out yet? In return you tell me why China has the F-22 Raptor flying, and ours has yet to be put in service? And where did they get the Technology, Obama hasn't had time to lose one of those, since we have yet to fly one outside of the continental U.S.!
What you didn't answer was, why did Obama go against the Constitution to appoint a Recess Appointment when Congress was in session? I believe his remark was, " He tends to lay blame at the feet of the House, when they are only doing what we ask them to do a Representative Government, , just as the Democrats do for their voters, it's just not his to Country to play around with! Or didn't you read what I quoted from his mantra of the 2008 campaign about never doing Recess Appointments while he criticized Bush for the same. At least Bush did not have full time Czars, his filled a temp position till he could get someone in there who could pass both houses.
The Government could learn quite a lot from responsible Americans, who never spend money they do not have. We paid off our mortgage early (now it's underwater), not a single credit card with a balance on them, checking and debit card are balanced. If we cannot afford something, we do not buy it anyway, savings are saved. Aways paid more into SSI than required. After I retired, I didn't sign up for SSI, I am living off my retirement from a Private Company, as part of my retirement package, my Medical Insurance is paid for (till I pass away). Many years ago, we did away with customary Holidays (religious Holidays), those were based on the persons practicing religion. Muslims took Ramadan, Jews took Hanukkah, Christians and converts took off Christmas, Buddhists, Hindu, Chinese, and so on, it was worked out to where everyone had the same amount of time off (except Ramadan) most of us could not take that much time off, nor did we mind.
As a matter of fact, you did not address over half of what I spoke of, I'll admit Bush had some flaws, although you and Obama will not!
But then again, I do not subscribe to Obama's Ineptrocrocy [in-ept-o-c'-ra-cy] - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
This is what I expect from our Government, "Responsibility"!
MISSISSIPPI JOE I wish God had made us all color blind. Maybe if we saw ever one in black and white we could look at each other different. I was born and raised in the South and I love all folks as GOD's children not some one that was sent here just to make trouble for each other. If we could take the words black and white from the language when describing a human being then the world would be a much better place to raise our children. God did not make us in Grades of humans like we make Gasoline for our cars today. It all will burn in all cars unless we go out of our way to add something to ours to make it other than what was intended in the beginning . So if we had trouble with it being compatible it is our fault not someone else's. Let us each love those that we don't like are care for then will we show true love and then will we be able to receive love from the only one we should fear of not giving us love. I love each one of you so please try to love me in return.
@Bob, Hope? You have to be kidding us. Need I remind you it was Obama that ran on the "Change" banner. Correction of what Bob? Capitalism? The only correction Obama and the Demo led Senate has accomplished is a larger growth of our deficit and more loss of our freedoms. The Government can legally detain and imprison any American now without proper jurisprudence. Take your correction & hope and shove it!!
how come nobody is talking about Ron Paul on this Blog. He's America's only hope for a free society! I'm Canadian and even I know how important the constitution is!!! Come on People!
When are Americans going to lay down the Democrat or Republican banners and realize that government is the problem not the solution? You think the government on either side is here to help you? Really?
To the individuals who make statements that the United States was not founded upon Christian values I believe your wrong. And for the individual who said Jewish values were a large part of our beginning I have this to ask. Is Christian values even taken into consideration in Israel ? And before you say I am a anti-Semite, my grandmother was Jewish and all her entire family died at Auschwitz. And no I am not Jewish, I am Christian and proud to be. I have Jewish friends and even Muslim friends so don't try placing the race or ethnic card on me it won't work.
abFTA SATELLITE, what was your point, beside bragging about yourself? There were a multitude of beleifs held by the founders-stop being a paranoid little Christian.
To the individuals who make statements that the United States was not founded upon Christian values I believe your wrong.
We're not. We have the facts on our side. Facts always trump belief. Check out Jefferson's writings -- especially the Declaration of Independence, and Notes on the State of Virginia, and Virginia's Statute for Religious Freedom.
And for the individual who said Jewish values were a large part of our beginning I have this to ask. Is Christian values even taken into consideration in Israel ?
Yes, but Israel is beside the point. We're talking about the USA.
Don't try to distract yourself with shiny objects.
And before you say I am a anti-Semite, my grandmother was Jewish and all her entire family died at Auschwitz. And no I am not Jewish, I am Christian and proud to be. I have Jewish friends and even Muslim friends so don't try placing the race or ethnic card on me it won't work.
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read, “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, and the Infidel of every denomination.
(Life and Selected Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Modern Library 1993 edition, pp. 45 and 46.)
Thank you again Ed for bringing FACTS in to the equation on this blog. We are a nation of many religions and beliefs and if anyone thinks that their beliefs are superior, they are very wrong. That is the attitude that gets us in trouble. Like needless wars and just general hate. Keep religion out of politics. It is a personal thing.
@FTA SATELLITE, in answer to your question, "Is Christian values even taken into consideration in Israel?"
Yes they are, in fact Jewish and Christians both hold the Book of David as one of the most important, which can also be found in the Torah. Both religions believe in the same God. In all the years I spent traveling an working around the world, going to Israel many times, not a surprise was how many places they have for Christians to practice their faith, as well as allowing a Christians to visit/attend in the Jewish Synagogues. I have done the same here in the U.S. and have always been welcomed. The important thing is, there is absolutely any push to convert, the Rabbi will come to you and shake your hand, thank you for attending. The ONLY time I have seen Christians speak ill of the Jews are in some (nowhere near all) Baptist Churches who at one time were all Democrats, or as they even called themselves "Yellow Dog Democrat", meaning they would vote for a Democrat regardless of any other parties beliefs. I clearly remember my Grandfather watching a Debate on Television and saying of the Republican, "you know I must admit, he makes many good points, but I just cannot bring myself vote for anyone other than a Democrat." Most all Blacks were Republicans up until the mid to late 1960's when Democrats realized their value as a voting bloc which needed to be tapped into, LBJ saw that and there it began.
Martin Luther King was a strong Republican, he remembered what is was like under Democrat rule. As a matter of fact, Republicans still are, rather than 'giving them welfare when they could work, now this Democratic social reconstruction by making everything free, thus holding them back so they will depend on Government for all they need, and thus vote for them, is heartless, wrong, and using them as a game is disgusting. Whereas the Republicans try to help them get on their feet, allowing them to have something to be proud of...accomplishment, taking responsibilities as Fathers, restoring family values, a child with two parents will always fare better. Such as going to school, on to higher education, becoming Businessmen, CEO's, Politicians. But especially helping their own to succeed and get out of the stereotyping used by Democrats.
One Party, One Nation, One Religion - The Nazi Parties Educational Teaching in Universities during Hitler's run.
@Ed, the phrase "...endowed by their Creator..." was meant to all inclusive of differing religions, not just Christian, had there been anything other than 'not just Christian" it would have read, "...endowed by God" it doesn't, which is why it says Creator.
All too often you inject the authors meaning to be your own, when you said: "Yes, but Israel is beside the point. We're talking about the USA. Don't try to distract yourself with shiny objects."IS not" what he meant and you should have known better, he is allowed to speak his mind, it was a perfectly good point.
The very fact of you, (and I never thought I would see it from you) quoting Thomas Jefferson, perhaps one of my favorite Founders, simply floored me I have to admit. I had no need to question your source, I had read it long before in the "Federalist Papers", the book is a long exhausting read, but wholly fascinating through and though. It is a book which should be mandatory reading for every single college first semester student in this country.
I cannot understand why documented actual Black History has been left out of our schools, their contributions to this nation are no longer there. There are no mention of what they did to help win the Revolutionary war against England, no mention of Black Congressmen after the formation of our government, not a word of it is there any longer. If you are interested in what was taken out, give this a read, "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White" by David Barton.
As to the short film, "Don't be a sucker" I have seen several times over the years, in fact I have a copy of it saved on two external drives which much of what I want to keep has been backed up to an online account I hold. I have posted it to a few Republican web sites, we all still believe in its message, not to mention emailed it to a few Congressmen/Women, two Senators, in which I received some very nice thanks.
It mirrors much of what O is doing to keep our country divided, class warfare, pitting people against one another, praising the Occupy Movement... I am sure you see it another way, but that is your opinion to express. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my check book or credit cards, everything is in balance and paid off, whereas he cannot stop spending, and nothing to show for any of his spending. Government can only create more government jobs, real jobs come from the private sector and no way is he going to give them a chance like Reagan did after inheriting Carter's mess (much worse than Bush).
I suppose quite a lot of his ideas came from the outright king of Community Organizing, the man who created such is none other than Saul Alinsky, who's portrait hangs in the White House (old news, but important to keep bringing it up). Or did you even know Alinsky was the creator of "Community Organizing"? I guess not...this is why I read everything on all sides of the political spectrum, he even goes so far as to do a "How To guide". Just as Obama points out in his book, "The Audacity of Hope" also mentioned in "Dreams of my Father", where he speaks of making it a point to seek out dissidents, Socialists, Marxists, and Communists. Although there is still doubt if he was ever involved with the SDS, but he was in favor of the movement, as he says in his book.
Even George Soros is warning people that the Occupy Movement will turn violent in the coming days, weeks, or months, he says to unleash the NDAA changes.
Much more on Soros here: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/george_soros/index.html#
If Prescott Bush was still around, he should have been flogged in public and possibly imprisoned when he granted Soros asylum in the U.S. after the was released from prison in France, to quote Soros regarding the EU and the U.S. Occupy movement:
Has the great short seller gone soft? Well, yes. Sitting in his 33rd-floor corner office high above Seventh Avenue in New York, preparing for his trip to Davos, he is more concerned with surviving than staying rich. “At times like these, survival is the most important thing,” he says, peering through his owlish glasses and brushing wisps of gray hair off his forehead. He doesn’t just mean it’s time to protect your assets. He means it’s time to stave off disaster. As he sees it, the world faces one of the most dangerous periods of modern history—a period of “evil.” Europe is confronting a descent into chaos and conflict. In America he predicts riots on the streets that will lead to a brutal clampdown that will dramatically curtail civil liberties. The global economic system could even collapse altogether. … “I am not here to cheer you up. The situation is about as serious and difficult as I’ve experienced in my career,” Soros tells Newsweek. “We are facing an extremely difficult time, comparable in many ways to the 1930s, the Great Depression. We are facing now a general retrenchment in the developed world, which threatens to put us in a decade of more stagnation, or worse. The best-case scenario is a deflationary environment. The worst-case scenario is a collapse of the financial system.” … Soros draws on his past to argue that the global economic crisis is as significant, and unpredictable, as the end of communism. “The collapse of the Soviet system was a pretty extraordinary event, and we are currently experiencing something similar in the developed world, without fully realizing what’s happening.” … As anger rises, riots on the streets of American cities are inevitable.“Yes, yes, yes,” he says, almost gleefully. The response to the unrest could be more damaging than the violence itself. “It will be an excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order, which, carried to an extreme, could bring about a repressive political system, a society where individual liberty is much more constrained, which would be a break with the tradition of the United States.”
Source: http://occupycorporatism.com/?category_nae=occupy-wall-st and here: http://rt.com/usa/news/george-soros-class-war-619/
Moses, the human arm of G-d, fought the devils advocate to enforce G-d's will of all men are free. Freedom is NOT free. Worldwide efforts are proving our efforts to help our fellow man with freedom of choice is being fought by free men and women to ensure G-d's will. Never ever take a back seat and watch while some despot would take away freedoms. G-d Bless America
Odd. It's showing almost 2,000 comments on the post, but only 200 here in the comment thread.
All too often you inject the authors meaning to be your own, when you said: "Yes, but Israel is beside the point. We're talking about the USA. Don't try to distract yourself with shiny objects."IS not" what he meant and you should have known better, he is allowed to speak his mind, it was a perfectly good point.
I can't figure out how Israel is on point at all. Can you explain it? Our First Amendment does not cover Israel; Israel has no effect on its protections of religious freedom here. It may be a good point in some other discussion, but it seems way, way off the mark here, to me.
The very fact of you, (and I never thought I would see it from you) quoting Thomas Jefferson, perhaps one of my favorite Founders, simply floored me I have to admit. I had no need to question your source, I had read it long before in the "Federalist Papers", the book is a long exhausting read, but wholly fascinating through and though. It is a book which should be mandatory reading for every single college first semester student in this country.
If you're such a fan of Jefferson's writings, it's rather a tragedy you don't agree with him. Or do you?
I cannot understand why documented actual Black History has been left out of our schools, their contributions to this nation are no longer there. There are no mention of what they did to help win the Revolutionary war against England, no mention of Black Congressmen after the formation of our government, not a word of it is there any longer. If you are interested in what was taken out, give this a read, "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White" by David Barton.
Barton has it wrong. All of those contributions by African Americans are in the textbooks, no thanks to Barton, who campaigned in Texas to keep them out.
He's a slimy one, on history. If he says something should be in the books, he's probably distorting it, if he's not dead wrong (he's notorious for making stuff up about the founders). If he says something is left out of the curriculum, it's because he doesn't know the curriculum. If he criticizes a curriculum, it's generally because he's dead wrong about much of what he claim to be history.
David Barton couldn't pass a Tenderfoot Scout board of review on the first point of the Scout Law alone. You should check out modern texts, sometime.
It mirrors much of what O is doing to keep our country divided, class warfare, pitting people against one another, praising the Occupy Movement... I am sure you see it another way, but that is your opinion to express.
Fighting to create opportunities is not class warfare, it's fighting class warfare. I cannot imagine how anyone could misunderstand Obama's actions and words on these issues, without real malice. Malice toward America, not necessarily malice to Obama.
I wouldn't want him anywhere near my check book or credit cards, everything is in balance and paid off, whereas he cannot stop spending, and nothing to show for any of his spending.
I thought saving our nation was well worth it. You may have a different view, you may have investments in other nations and pray for the destruction of the U.S. -- but for less than 1/3 the cost of Bush's Iraq fiasco, Obama saved our economy. It was a bargain. We should give him a trillion more to get us back on our feet.
Government can only create more government jobs, real jobs come from the private sector and no way is he going to give them a chance like Reagan did after inheriting Carter's mess (much worse than Bush).
As Ben Franklin noted, private enterprise cannot work but for government paving the way. We can't move goods in the U.S. without roads. Your whining that building and repairing roads won't help is only whining, and not accurate.
I suppose quite a lot of his ideas came from the outright king of Community Organizing, the man who created such is none other than Saul Alinsky, who's portrait hangs in the White House (old news, but important to keep bringing it up). Or did you even know Alinsky was the creator of "Community Organizing"?
Alinsky was an organizer, but not the first by a long shot.
Nor does his portrait hang in the White House. Why do you feel a need to tell such fantastic lies?
Alinsky was right that people should organize. So was Baden-Powell a half century earlier, so was Samuel Gompers before that, and the Grange earlier. So was Teddy Roosevelt.
But then, people know who they were, and there is little doubt about their patriotic tendencies. You pick an obscure guy because you think people would know others, and you wish to hide the fact that organizing is what makes America work.
Barnum may have been right, but honorable people put faith in the ability of Americans to get things right, when they have the facts.
I guess not...this is why I read everything on all sides of the political spectrum, he even goes so far as to do a "How To guide". Just as Obama points out in his book, "The Audacity of Hope" also mentioned in "Dreams of my Father", where he speaks of making it a point to seek out dissidents, Socialists, Marxists, and Communists. Although there is still doubt if he was ever involved with the SDS, but he was in favor of the movement, as he says in his book.
SDS predates Obama a lot. Obama was not organizing against Vietnam in third grade, as you suggest. SDS did not exist by the time Obama got to college.
It's funny to see the cartoon's heavy-handed fearmongering and scare tactics from 1948 - this propaganda led to the witch hunt era of Joe McCarthy - one of the darkest times in American history. Recently, special interests tried to use the same scare tactics of distortions and lies (remember the "death panel" and the "birther" hoaxes?) to manipulate the poorly-informed middle class (John Q. Public in the cartoon) - and the next thing we saw was the spectacle of enraged, misinformed people hopping up and down with misspelled signs. In 1948, the top tax rate was 82.1% compared to 35% today. In 1948, corporations weren't getting tax breaks to send jobs overseas but now they are. So, who is tomorrow's Joe McCarthy of fearmongering and scare tactics? Romney? Gingrich? Do we really want to relive THAT history? This time, I hope America's middle class wakes up and sees how the big-money special interests are trying to dupe them AGAIN. Just saying...
All I can say is WOW! Anyone who wants to bash Capitalism needs to fist view this video and if they still feel the need to bash it we should stamp an IDIOT mark on their forehead.
Many of you have it your own ISM and world view by accusing the other. Whether government, labor unions, or corporations, you are all giving up your freedoms to each of them and usually one more than the other. You cannot trust any of them... you need to oversee them and be and get in control of your life. Today, each of you has chosen to put your life and liberties in the hands of one of the three.
After reading a good amount of the posts here i am reminded of the idiot massess that wound us up in our current mess! I.E. Bush did it! no it was clinton! Wait it is now Obama! no the liberals! LOL!!! No moron's! the answer to your dilemma is in your mirror! Stop with your devisive tones and realize they are all one and the same! until you wake to this fact, enjoy your slavery!
First: Glad to hear so many varied opinions on our countries current plight.We as a people MUST stand up and be HEARD.How? March on Congress-March on House of Represenatives. Shout out our concerns let them see us face to face not just THE LITTLE PEOPLE who will accept their dictates. I once made a comment to a Russian that it must feel good not to be under a DICTATORSHIP after the fall of the wall. His replay after a few seconds was:YOU ARE UNDER A DICTATORSHIP AND DON'T KNOW IT.Right- Wrong- Take a close look at where we are and you decide.
1.A ruler with absolute authority, appointed in times of emergency. 2. A ruler with absolute power and authority, esp. one who exercises it tyrannically. 3. A person who orders others about domineeringly, or one whose pronouncements on some subject are meant to be taken as the final word.
Frank, I was a little confused, were you talking about bush w. or President Obama? You can watch on YouTube a video where bush is saying that he wouldn't mind if our form of government was a Dictatorship just so long as he was the Dictator.
You must have a pretty wild imagination to think that President Obama is remotely close to being a Dictator. Last I checked, any President must get Congressional approval before a law dictates anything. Now go back and repeat 4th grade and learn about how the democracy system works. God Speed.
I encourage folks to go back to the closing statements about what made the country great - economic and moral prosperity and opportunity FOR ALL. America has always been engaged in a struggle between the ideals of individualism (the dark side of which is greed and the bright side of which is entrepreneurialism) and interest in the COMMON good -(the dark side of which is totalitarianism and the bright side is democratic rule of law, social justice and investment in common interests, such as education and infrastructure and defense.) The rant against "isms" is not just against government. After all "Capitalism" is an "ism" too and we are seeing those who equate the defense of privilege with "freedom" sounding just like all the cure-alls. None of the "isms" are cure-alls, and there is no perfect balance between, freedom, social justice, equality, opportunity, security, faith and reason, all of which are forces with bright and dark aspects. What sits in the center, for me at least, is educated, intelligent common sense. The key question of our times is how can we create a social, economic and personal future for all the earth that is sustainable, free (to live our lives as we wish, as long as we don't impair other's rights to do the same) and just. Any "ism", any overly simplistic answer that suggests we do not have to struggle to find reasonable solutions that benefit the common good without sacrificing freedom, should be suspect.
Fred thanks for sending this to me .There are so many comments about this cartoon and as with are DNA and Finger Prints non will ever be the same ,unless as it happens as with someone giving a Nobell Prize to a person that they say and not use the people !!!!! I am 65 and am now getting my social Security and yes I do not need it to get by ,but I paid 15% of my earning as a self employed person all my working life and if I an not the government had let me invest all my working years I would be living with the best health care and living in the Ritz Carloton with daily room service and giving out large tips to the young people trying to get throught life .I was in the Army thru a Kenndy and Johnson Thru there war in Asia and people would Spit on me for me doing the Job of the people at that time and I was in all the Racial wars in Baltimore and Washinghton ,protecting we the people's homes and what did I get ,Spit !!!!! So let's do the people's business and not the large governments work ,AKA family planning ,free collage,so forth and so forth.
@ Victor Our slavemasters realized before 2008 that an awakening and backlash was forming against Bush's treasonous actions against We the People. For that reason, a black face was put on the NWO in the person of Barrack Obama, in order to deceive the suckers one more time and to accelerate the destruction of our nation that Bush had begun. Make no mistake, Obama is an agent of the international banksters and Wall Street thieves, and he is far worse than Bush. He gets away with it because people are afraid of being called racists, and because he has the protection of the prostitute Mockingbird media, which have been taking money and marching orders from the military industrial complex since the 1940's.
@ Victor Our slavemasters realized before 2008 that an awakening and backlash was forming against Bush's treasonous actions against We the People. For that reason, a black face was put on the NWO in the person of Barrack Obama, in order to deceive the suckers one more time and to accelerate the destruction of our nation that Bush had begun. Make no mistake, Obama is an agent of the international banksters and Wall Street thieves, and he is far worse than Bush. He gets away with it because people are afraid of being called racists, and because he has the protection of the prostitute Mockingbird media, which have been taking money and marching orders from the military industrial complex since the 1940's.
Hey Craig. I imagine it's fun and easy to make vague unsubstantiated allegations but if you want to be taken seriously being more specific is the way to go.
Maybe start with specifics about how Obama is worse than Bush when it comes to banksters, Wall Street, and the military industrial complex.
Also, I see no shortage of rhetoric against him from the radical right and no shortage of outright racism so your "afraid of being racist" claim looks to be false.
Motorpoodle: For ANY President to be worse than bushtard, they would have to find a way to have the earth slam in to the sun. I have seen a lot of Presidents come and go and I have read about most of them and trust that bush w. not only was the world President, he is a mass murderer and war criminal. Search on how many times bush/cheney have left this country. bush w. did once to Canada and got chased out. There are a lot of countries that would arrest both of them for war crimes. Please, please don't defend bush w. He didn't do ANYTHING right. He was a complete embarrassment to the Republican part and gave them a bad name for years to come.
In 1948 the anti-communism movement was just getting it's momentum because following WWII, people were afraid of MarxISM, communISM and fascISM. Google Joseph McCarthy. In 1948 the societal traits they mentioned in the piece were accurate and believe it or not, I was taught these same things in school when I entered Kindergarten in 1957 - where there were not only white kids but black and brown ones as well - Washington state.
The piece is about being wary of "snake oil salesmen" as they were called at the time. It cautioned against easy solutions and wish fulfillment. Hard work is and always has been the key to a prosperous economy from the individual level to the Federal budget...it's talking about common sense and maturity.
"ism"?? Careful not to swallow any "isms"? Capital-ism?? Patriot-ism?? Catech-ism?? Are we too afraid to say the word Communism?? --which is what the cartoon was about in 1948. There is only one out-right closed communist system left on the planet, and that's North Korea. The Soviet Block has dissolved. China has become an open capitalist society. Cuba recently issued licenses to private businesses. If you are afraid of Socialism, are you afraid of the Swiss, the Canadians? Who is it that is scaring the crap out of us? Is the evil Canadian system of government going to take over the world? This cartoon was about communism, and if you've read a book, you would know the difference between communism and socialism!
"ism"?? Careful not to swallow any "isms"? Capital-ism?? Patriot-ism?? Catech-ism?? Are we too afraid to say the word Communism?? --which is what the cartoon was about in 1948. There is only one out-right closed communist system left on the planet, and that's North Korea. The Soviet Block has dissolved. China has become an open capitalist society. Cuba recently issued licenses to private businesses. If you are afraid of Socialism, are you afraid of the Swiss, the Canadians? Who is it that is scaring the crap out of us? Is the evil Canadian system of government going to take over the world? This cartoon was about communism, and if you've read a book, you would know the difference between communism and socialism!
"ism"?? Careful not to swallow any "isms"? Capital-ism?? Patriot-ism?? Catech-ism?? Are we too afraid to say the word Communism?? --which is what the cartoon was about in 1948. There is only one out-right closed communist system left on the planet, and that's North Korea. The Soviet Block has dissolved. China has become an open capitalist society. Cuba recently issued licenses to private businesses. If you are afraid of Socialism, are you afraid of the Swiss, the Canadians? Who is it that is scaring the crap out of us? Is the evil Canadian system of government going to take over the world? This cartoon was about communism, and if you've read a book, you would know the difference between communism and socialism!
Thank you Ron! Ya, it is obvious you have read a book. If I had a nickel everytime someone said the word "Socialism" since President Obama took office, I could abolish world hunger. There is one thing that the Repubicans/Conservatives are good at is to instill fear. One day millions of years from now the earth will be swallowed by the sun. And when that happens the United States will be no more closer than we are now to becoming a Socialized country. President Obama is a moderate President and is no more closer to becoming a Soicalist than I am to flying to the moon tomorrow. Come on America. Don't follow this kine or propaganda. It shows a complete lack of ignorance. Not sexy.
Joy, here you go again, praising someone else's comment, I asked you earlier for the YouTube link and have yet to provide one!
Ronwho'sreadabook, I am not afraid of Socialism, we just do not want it in our country, this nation was founded on Freedoms Canada and other's do not have!!! Only 40 years ago, there was hardly a spits difference between parties up until Kennedy was killed, it was LBJ who began changing this country after we ridded ourselves of presidents like Woodrow Wilson and FDR. As hated and liked by many, Andrew Jackson had it right when he dissolved the Central Bank, it should have never been, and should disappear today. It' has only done us harm through the years, then we did away with the Gold Standard (that was really stupid). At least under the Gold standard, the Fed could NOT print money we do not have...as we are doing under this Administration. I surely hope most all of you know that each time this is done, it devalues our Dollar.
Now we have possibly the most partisan, racist, lying DOJ in the history of the United States, Holder is beyond belief, how many Judges (Local, State and Federal) will he overturn using the power of his office? It began with the Black Panther case, this guy was convicted in a Federal Court, Holder goes in and has the conviction overturned, never mind a jury of his peers (half of which were Blacks) thought he broke the law via intimidation at a voting area, even against black people! Then on another appeal, J. Christian Adams was fired from the Juristic Dept. for testifying by telling the truth, having already being told not to testify or you will be fired. Christenson didn't make it two more days and he was out of there, fired. Racist, you decide!!! Fast and Furious alone should have him been terminated, how many times is he allowed to lie, only to dump documents which say otherwise. Then there are the Voter ID States (21 already have them) but he has over turned the ones in South Carolina and Texas, yet the other 21 States are okay, does this make since to anyone? The ONLY way Obama could ever win South Carolina and Texas (both of which he lost in 2008) would be by allowing voter fraud letting illegal's vote, along with the usual dead people, these two States have MANY illegal aliens living there on the taxpayer dime.
"Then there are the Voter ID States (21 already have them) but he has over turned the ones in South Carolina and Texas, yet the other 21 States are okay"
Someone said: As hated and liked by many, Andrew Jackson had it right when he dissolved the Central Bank, it should have never been, and should disappear today. It' has only done us harm through the years, then we did away with the Gold Standard (that was really stupid). At least under the Gold standard, the Fed could NOT print money we do not have...as we are doing under this Administration. I surely hope most all of you know that each time this is done, it devalues our Dollar.
Right. What do we need with a $4 trillion economy? GM was too big, and so is Apple. We can use an economy much smaller than $1 trillion! Gold standard will mean 50% unemployment -- but how many Starbucks baristas do we need? One auto mechanic should be able to service an entire town, if the cars were built like the old Model T -- which they will have to be if we go back on the gold standard, because no one will be able to afford the extra work that goes into making air conditioning and stereos, and air bags, and crushable fenders . . .
And, hey, quit bogarting whatever that stuff is you're smoking, and pass it around! We all need to see some of those pink, gold-standard elephants!
[Canada] We have freedom of health care choices, which is why so many Canadians come to the U.S. for better and faster care, we 'USED' to have a better Justice system, do not 'or' didn't allow Sharia Law in the U.S.! WE do not have Prime Ministers or Magistrates, till it goes into effect, we as employers and religious institutions are not mandated by the Government to force birth control and abortions via private insurance! Especially when it singles out Catholics and other Christians and the Jewish people, why are Muslims exempt? Do you want the Catholics and Christians to stop helping the poor, most all shelters and food kitchens are owned and staffed by volunteer Christians. Private schools who take all faiths and races, including Muslim. Why can Muslims pray two of their five prayers per day allowed in schools?
If you do not believe there is a God, go on an Islamic Web site and tell them they do not have a God either, dare you to do that...
Voter ID, sorry that was 21 States with NO Voter ID requirements what-so-ever, 10 states have it, 2 have recently filed and won the Voter ID State Elections and have been overturned by the DOJ, THIS IS A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE, not a Federal issue. The Feds have no right denying a States' rights permission(s), it cannot be done by Executive Order, only by Congressional Convention. Even the SCOTUS should deny hearing this one.
Bush DOJ "FILED" the case against the New Black Panthers, Holder had it overturned: From CBS online, one of YOUR news stations:
motorpoodle...this one is on you, when you said " Back to your lies. The New Black Panther case was dropped by the Bush DOJ." You lied...yet again!
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20010581-504564.html ...and many other news sites.
Here you finished with: " Real problems occur with voting machine hacking like the Bush campaign very likely engaged in." Why is it the Liberal Universities looking at the voter records only found them done in large sections by Devil-crats? Why were only Democrats prosecuted for Voter Fraud and Acorn?
@Patriot - You said "We have freedom of health care choices".
Canada actually has more choices. They have private insurance as well as public healthcare that everyone is eligible for regardless of pre-existing conditions, employment, or income.
Insurance in the US is often tied to your job severely limiting your choices. Also if you don't have money or insurance there is all kinds of healthcare you won't receive.
So Canadians have more freedom than Americans when it comes to healthcare. Canadian healthcare is also ranked better than the US and is more efficient cost wise.
"we 'USED' to have a better Justice system"
Can you back that up at all?
"WE do not have Prime Ministers or Magistrates"
They don't have presidents or a House of Representatives. What's you're point?
"till it goes into effect, we as employers and religious institutions are not mandated by the Government to force birth control and abortions via private insurance!"
Nobody's is forcing birth control and abortions. We are extending freedom to people by keeping employers from banning whatever coverage they want from private insurance they have no business messing with. What does this have to do with Canada though?
"why are Muslims exempt?"
They're not.
"you want the Catholics and Christians to stop helping the poor"
Why would they stop helping the poor? What does this have to do with Canada?
"Why can Muslims pray two of their five prayers per day allowed in schools?"
"THIS IS A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE, not a Federal issue."
Federal elections are a federal issue.
The charges against the New Black Panthers were downgraded by the Bush Department of Justice:
The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office.
"Bush DOJ "FILED" the case against the New Black Panthers, Holder had it overturned: From CBS online, one of YOUR news stations"
LOL, you're CBS link says "Page cannot be found". You're just making shit up. I'll quote the article you couldn't be bothered to click: "The charges against the New Black Panthers were downgraded by the Bush Department of Justice:
The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office."
"Why is it the Liberal Universities looking at the voter records only found them done in large sections by Devil-crats? Why were only Democrats prosecuted for Voter Fraud and Acorn?"
You completely fabricated more bullshit. Here: of those 38 prosecutions that the Justice Department brought between 2002 and 2005, a grand total of two were for fabricating or falsifying voter registration applications.
@motorpoodle--When I speak of Canadian Healthcare, Several of my friends up there wonder where they can go to get faster, quicker, and better care if the U.S. becomes like Canada's health care. Art Reince tells me his mother would have lived much longer had her "Health Councilor" had allowed her faster access to treat her Cancer (she died this past February). She first was diagnosed a year ago with Stage 1 Lymphoma. Stage 1,2 are almost always curable, Stage 3 is about 60/40 percent. She got in at late Stage 4, the Cancer had metastasized so much, all they could do was make her more comfortable till she passed away.
I'll admit most Canadians like Free Government Health Care, until something which costs too much or the Hospitals close when they run out of money, which has happened several times in the past and will again.
WE WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT CANADA!!!
By the way, the link I posted about the New Black Panther case worked for me, so this time I will post it again in Mozilla Black Panther or: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20010581-504564.html You had the audacity to send me to a "Think Progress" Liberal slanted site...I figured CBS would be liberal enough for you, which is why I chose that one.
At my niece and nephew's Middle School, they are not allowed to wear Christian garb, pray, or say the Pledge of Allegiance, yet they have a separate room in the Gym where the Muslims store their individual prayer rugs. What the school has done is to cut the free class (we used to call it "Home Room") for an hour. The Muslim kids go to the gym two times a day to pray, he had a video he took through the gym window (which I think was wrong, although I did watch the very brief video)...then the windows were covered. It's a double standard, another example is they are allowed to wear t-shirts with Arabic writing on them. If a white kid wears one in Arabic, they are sent home.
Federal elections are a federal issue.
Wrong again, a ballot initiative, or a State Law passed in the Legislature in any given State is NOT Federal!
Acorn Voter Fraud case, one example on a site you must believe...MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30567548/ns/politics-more_politics/t/acorn-charged-nevada-voter-fraud-case/ They all pled Guilty. Another with several: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud It was almost always Acorn and/or Acorn workers. Voter Fraud is a Federal Crime, why are local State Judges hearing the cases, it should have been a Federal Court, it's wrong to dismiss or suspended sentences on a Conviction. Justice is supposed to be blind, not political. (Again, Holder comes to mind)
@ Patriot - "When I speak of Canadian Healthcare, Several of my friends up there wonder where they can go to get faster, quicker, and better care if the U.S. becomes like Canada's health care".
Your friends sound strange. Canada's healthcare is ranked 30th in the world while ours is 37th. Both countries have higher wait times than most other industrialized nations. Although Canada has a more efficient system and doesn't have the millions dying for lack of insurance that we do.
Personally I think we should be taking cues from countries in the top 10 and not just aiming 7 spots up from us though.
"WE WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT CANADA!!!
You claimed Canada didn't have the freedoms we do and then were unable to come up with any examples and so I guess you just rambled off topic instead.
"By the way, the link I posted about the New Black Panther case worked for me"
Works now but your link is mostly talking about accusations by right wing activist J Adams and again ignores the fact that the Bush DOJ declined to pursue criminal charges while Obama's actually found judgment against one of the defendants.
Not sure what this has to do with anything of importance but here's the full story.
Why are you so worked up over these few people when voter intimidation was widespread in Florida with roadblocks set up in black neighborhoods by Jeb Bush? Seems like that would be a bigger issue.
"At my niece and nephew's Middle School, they are not allowed to wear Christian garb, pray, or say the Pledge of Allegiance, yet they have a separate room in the Gym where the Muslims store their individual prayer rugs."
That's great. Most of the double standards go against Muslims. You can see that everywhere. Good to hear it's not all one direction.
"Wrong again, a ballot initiative, or a State Law passed in the Legislature in any given State is NOT Federal!"
I said Federal elections are a federal issue and somehow you started talking about things that aren't federal elections.
"Acorn Voter Fraud case, one example on a site you must believe"
From your ballotpedia link I'm not seeing more than a couple convictions of low level people fined for trying to meet a quota.
You and your ilk are terribly lost, O wants yet another Trillion +, making it 4 years in a row. I will speak with possibly again when you leave your alternate reality and open your eyes to what is happening. If you ever get your way with Obama, I strongly believe you will one day be sorry for being led astray. So long to a sad little man. Write what you will, I'll likely never see your message.
This country was was founded on having freedom, freedom of religon, speach and if you don't know it includes taxes. As we all know that we have taxes now. We are in the days that we will loose most of our other freedoms. The constutation states that the government has very limited power to make laws over the people. It states that the government will will have powers only in the judments within the constitution. Any laws that's passed for the people so shall be passed for the government. Obama passed the healthcare bill for the people but has said that members of congress is excemped from it. This is going to the suprem court. I fill that if the suprem court upholds this ruling that even our higest court has ruled against our constution and against the people. If this happens we will no longer have any true freedoms. Obama has moved against every part of the constution as we know it. I agree what others here has said in that in doing this he has gone against the constution and the people of the united states. This is a clear defanition of treason. I will say the same thing to every member of the supreim court if they pass the healthcare bill. Thisd has already gone way to far even if it was some little back woods court! Obama says he is a Christian but he goes to Muslim prayer. He has never been seen going to a church service. He won't pay respect to our flag but bows to a Muslim king. I don't care about the past, but if I had a choice to vote for Bush or Obama, I would vote for Bush. It seems that we as a people have lost any care about how things are getting. If people would understand what all the real men went through founding this country you all would think twice about these things.Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men
who signed the Declaration of Independence ?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown , Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.
Instead of griping about how things are,It is time that we get off our butts and do something about it!
Obama has moved against every part of the constution as we know it.
Then you don't know the Constitution at all. Obama has "moved against" no part of the Constitution, with the possible exception of his signing the extension of Bush's PATRIOT Act. You make no kick then, you have none now.
Obama says he is a Christian but he goes to Muslim prayer.
Your mother never whipped you for lying, did she. Sad. It shows.
Obama's a Christian, raised Christian in the U.S.A., and a member of a Christian church in the Stone-Campbell tradition for his entire time in Chicago. The Stone-Campbellites -- you know, like President Garfield, President Johnson, and President Reagan.
You are an embarrassment to your mother.
He has never been seen going to a church service.
Right. That's why people complain about his preacher, Jeremiah Wright.
Your mother should come whip you now, for the sake of all readers here, and for your sake.
See here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/30/under-god-obama-attends-c_n_802653.html
He won't pay respect to our flag but bows to a Muslim king.
Liar.
I don't care about the past, but if I had a choice to vote for Bush or Obama, I would vote for Bush. It seems that we as a people have lost any care about how things are getting.
Of course, Bush's running again would be contrary to the Constitution.
Confess, you've never read the document. Where are you really from? Ukraine? Pakistan?
@2handsfull, don’t let these indoctrinated freaks get to you, right, wrong or indifferent you are allowed your opinion, it’s a little things we have called freedom of speech.
Ed, motorpoodle, and a few others are under the impression I have left this site, I haven’t…I just will not reply to their name calling, lack of respect, lack of knowledge, where their age and I.Q’s match, anyone who quotes from Media Matters or Think Progress and expect educated people to believe them is just how arrogant they are.
So, do not let them get to you, we all have rights…including the right to not listen or reply to their hate and lies. Soon they will be just talking to themselves.
Yes, we all have a right to our opinions. But when you are stating your opinions, let it be known that it is just an opinion, not fact. There is only on of those!
I would like to see this Cartoon played in every School in America from K to 12 Grade...Let our Children decide...WAKE UP PEOPLE....Class Warfare..Race Warfare...If you don't get it, keep drinking the KOOLADE..NOBAMA
Everthing that's wrong in this country Nobama blames on Bush, He should go back one more administration and be blaming the real cause of Americans problems. Bill (mistake) Clinton, who started this mess in the first place. Obama should be impeached now. Everyday he's president is another day that America moves backward. Let this be a lesson, that's what happens when a non American is elected President. He would make a good dictater in Iran. Or maybe he is.
The problem really started in the early 20th century. Perhaps before, things were going downhill by 1825. FDR was a major enabler of our current socialist state of affairs. This craze did not take off till people started reading and then believing the writings of Marx. Socialism does not work. Its not working anywhere. N Korea is a poster child for Socialism's failures. Cuba is not quite as bad, at least the lights are on at night. Canada's health care. I am 62. I rely on the VA. Its slow but FAR, FAR faster than Canada. The elderly and retired are left to die. A friend of mine, retired gov't worker was a year waiting to see a orthopedist about his back, which he had damaged in his 20s, and said he might still be a year down the waiting list. This was the last time I talked to him about health care. A Canadian told me his dad, active on the farm but too old, could not get a hip replacement in Canada so they went to the "States" and had it done. While doing the exams for the surgery they found he had early stage Prostate Cancer so they operated for that as well. In Canada he was a walking (well hobbling) dead man. The purpose of socialized medicine is to kill off people the Gov't sees as a liability. Its happening all over Europe as well. All you people that believe the socialist BS had apparently already drunk the Kool-Aid. You need to shake off the effects and see what the REAL truth is. We have had over 100000 men and women killed trying to prevent Communist tyranny from enslaving people in foreign countries and all the time we were voting it in here in easy stages. Who is at fault? All the useful idiots (Lenin's term) that vote for what the Gov't can do for them rather than what SHOULD they do for the good of the COUNTRY and the Constitution. Which is now largely in tatters.
To Unknown! The United States of America is NO where near being a socialized nation. Not even close. There is not a country in the world that looks at our healthcare system and says, Gee, I wish we were like the USA. You are so wrong about Canada's healthcare system. I have a close friend that loves it and has never had a problem. If there is anyone that has had to use our health insurance system and loves it hasn't been really sick yet. My Dad paid Blue Cross for 30 years and then was diagnosed with lymphoma. I was living in Hawaii at the time. He called crying and said that his insurance wouldn't cover the twice a week $1,200 chemotherapy. I said no way and moved back to California. We hired an attorney and wa-la, was covered. Thanks to that move, my Dad lived 8 years longer. My mother used the VA system and loves it and that IS a government system. The free market DOES NOT apply to health insurance. A free market system causes prices to get lower because of competition. All the private health insurance companies do is sleep together and make sure prices remain high. Sorry, I would trust the government with healthcare WAY before a private health insurance company who's main goal is to deny coverage. Don't be fooled!
The lack of truth in so many views is mind boggling! In science, factual evidence supersedes theory. In politics, perspective supersedes truth. All presidents have been encumbered by the restrictions of narrow mindedness from both parties. Today, we suffer the consequences. Whether it be from religious or political ignorance, the outcome we are experiencing is our own fault. We want our freedoms, and blindly put the blame on the politicians we elect. Freedom comes with a responsibility to enact laws to protect it. Congress and the Senate have gotten to the point of unaccountability. They pass laws which the vast majority of the people have no information about. Left to their own devises, special interest groups (ie; corporations) have bought control over our country. It pains me to hear so-called Christians forgetting about religious freedom. It disgusts me to hear about corporate "SuperPacs". It saddens me to see the level of passionate discord based on half-truths and blatantly false suppositions.
Wake up AMERICA! Spend some time educating yourselves with unbiased facts.
Hardline, you are so right! No one administration can be blamed for all the trouble we are in now but the current leadership has doubled the national debt from the 1st 40+ presidents in less than a full term. No president has had such a sketchy, almost hidden, past as Pres. Obama. Pres. Bush may have done some stupid things but none was impeachable. Whereas, instructing your AG to NOT enforce a law on the books is impeachable. Appointing more than 40 high ranking "czars" during non "recesses" is impeachable. Requiring the citizens of this country to buy anything is un-constitutional. Persecuting a local sheriff for enforcing a federal law the the federal government refused to enforce is bullying and cowardly. I left my well compensated position within the military community because I could no longer not speak out against the worst Commander-in-Chief I've experienced since my enlistment in 1967. The only reason he hasn't been impeached is the Democratic strangle hold on the Senate.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1801 – 2000 of 2055 Newer› Newest»The point that I was trying to make is that welfare and medicaid requirements are too relaxed. The current systems in place do not promote job hunting or working for a living to its fullest extent. That's all I am saying about the current system. Growing up in Alabama, we have a large poverty population and I personally know people who have been collecting medicaid and food stamps for several years. Not months. And they are perfectly able-bodied to work. I'm not saying that the welfare system in place in California is as botched as the one in Alabama; I am saying that the Federal Government spending more money on welfare is not helping society, it is crippling society by giving the false hope that the U.S. Government will take care of you.
Well all I can say is California's laws are a lot different to Alabama's laws. Go to California's Welfare and Medicaid websites and check it out for yourself. And I will do the same for Alabama's websites.
I was widowed at 22 and my daughter was 2 years old. I was working for a pharma company and making $9.00 and hour. I was paying $500 rent for a studio. I didn't have a car payment. My day care costs were $250.00 a WEEK, so I applied for Aid To Families with Dependent Children. After completing the forms, they called me back and told me that I made $500 gross a year to qualify. All I was asking for was help with child care.
I used to have the same opinion you do, that people would rather sit on their couch and watch TV all day and live off our tax payer dollars. When I walked out of the Aid To Dependent Children's Office, my hat was off for all those people sitting on the couch eating twinkies. Her I am, raising a child, barely making it and they say I make $500 a year gross to much?. WTF? They system forces people to say fuck it, why should I try to work my ass off? Oh, and by the way, it is MY state tax dollars that pay for Aid To Families With Dependent Children. So, I will check to see on your Alabama's websites how long a person can stay on welfare and other state and federal programs.
The main thrust of this cartoon is true. Government is getting much bigger and is making it extremely difficult if not impossible for private companies to stay in business. Our country has been blessed. The people who fought for our liberty were a varied group. They were not all Christians, but they all knew there was a God and either chose to follow or not. They gave up their security for freedom. We are giving up our freedom for "security." But nothing is really secure.
It was propaganda then, and it is propaganda now. That hasn't changed at all. What has changed is that everyone seems to miss that little spot near the end of this piece when we are reminded that our nation isn't built on capitalism at all, but on tolerance for other races, religions, and cultures. Freedom and tolerance are interconnected. You really can have one without the other.
Patriot - you said "First of all, you cannot call an “Opinion” the truth or lie"
I'm not calling your opinions lies. I am taking everything you state as a fact, linking to facts that prove you wrong, and showing you to be a liar.
"sure I put the wrong number of zero’s behind the 535, big deal"
Not only did you exaggerate the amount of money by a 1000 times...but you also tried to make it a slant on Obama when in fact the source of the funds was a group setup by Bush. Then you tried to mislead people about the mileage rating by completely ignoring that the fuel
economy in the NYT article you are referring to was based on their hybrid luxury sports car running in gasoline only mode. You're intentionally ignoring the selling point of the plugin hybrid in that they're not meant to be driven in gasoline only mode most of the time. So, if we look into your claim just a little bit we find the actual EPA rating:
"The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rated the Karma's combined city/highway fuel economy at 52 mpg-US (4.5 L/100 km; 62 mpg-imp) equivalent (MPG-e) in all-electric mode, and at 20 mpg-US (12 L/100 km; 24 mpg-imp) in gasoline-only mode."
52 mpg! In this sports car? over 400 horsepower? That's incredible! Nice work guys.
"J.D. Power and Associates gave the Fisker Karma its lowest possible rating"
A quick check on your claim at JD Powers website and I find they haven't even reviewed the car yet. Probably because it's not available at retail until next month. Why did you make that up?
"Do Unions not have Lobbyists, if not then why did each register as one? (The NLRB does not lobby for the individual Unions). Was Solyndra have a lobbyist, sure did…"
Yes, lots of groups have lobbyists. Been that way for a long time. What the hell is your point?
"The SBA is hurting, will be taxed out of existence"
The Small Business Administration is not hurting and doesn't pay taxes since they're a government agency. Why do you make this stuff up?
"why does he not exempt Small Businesses from the so-called Millionaires tax? If he doesn’t then charge the Unions as well, are they being considered for the tax also…NO!!!"
The proposed milliares tax is a base tax rate for the wealthy to ensure that millionaires pay at least at the same percentage as middle income taxpayers. Small Businesses wouldn't pay the tax since it's for individuals. How on earth are you so misinformed?
"As far as Infrastructure is concerned, why is it that the non-union State’s Infrastructure doing pretty dammed good!"
What the hell are you talking about? There's no such thing as a non-union state. There's unions in every state.
"The largest difference between you and I is, I actually look for the truth"
Hell no. You have proven repeatedly that you have no respect for the truth. You just make things up and then I look up easily accessible facts that prove you wrong again and again. You can't be bothered with even a little check to see if the things you're saying are true.
"What really seems odd to me, is that poll after poll regardless of who is taking them, all agree on two simple stats, more than 65% of Democrats think Obama is the cause of this country’s economic policies being so bad"
You know why that seems odd? It's because you made it up.
"Among Democrats, 58 percent approve of the president’s handling of the economy"
Also "And more Americans still blame former President George W. Bush rather than Obama for the economic distress. Some 31 percent put the bulk of the blame on Obama, while 51 percent point to his Republican predecessor."
"Diogenes knows he cannot find an honest man on the Left."
The left is using facts and honesty. You are a dishonest man and you are on the right.
@DontTreadOnMe - You said - "Stimulus packages are NOT NEEDED! They are just crippling the businesses even more"
Actually historically stimulus spending has been successful in many countries.
"Why not stitch it up and disinfect it by getting to the root of the problem and start cutting spending by getting rid of useless federal departments and stop creating money and spending it when we don't have it?"
Government spending did not cause the economic downturn. That is not the root of the problem.
"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. No one is trying to do that? How about this, "In October, Democratic leaders in the Senate replaced Mr. Obama’s proposed tax changes with a 'millionaires tax,' a 5.6 percent surtax on income over that level"
Tax rates on the rich are at a historic low and many of them pay lower rates than middle class earners.
So raising the rate 5% on over a million a year income would hardly "destroy the rich". It would just put there taxes back where they used to be when they were paying a more fair rate. Right now we have a problem as Warren Buffet pointed out where he is paying a lower rate than his secretary.
"The government should not be able to make a law or regulation to force companies to adhere to government agenda."
Yes, it should. That's why we no longer have child labor. You need regulations to protect the workers, the environment, and the consumers. Otherwise you get 8 year olds working twelve hours a day in unsafe conditions making baby bottles with lead in them while the company dumps their sludge in the river.
"That would be a move towards socialism"
That means you don't know what socialism is. Socialism is where workers/government own the means of production. Like with our roads, post office, fire and police departments, military, etc.
To Motorpoodle! I want to thank you for taking the time to fact check the BS that is written on this blog. I have read soooo much BS, not just on National Juggernaut, but on many blogs. I can spot a Faux News viewer from a mile away.
I am a middle aged single women and if you are a single middle aged man, I would like to marry you! I am joking of course. I just think intelligence is sexy!
Thanks again for your fact finding. Again, it is refreshing to read comments that are factual and get to the bottom of the issue.! Take Care!
Mtorpoodle no matter how hard you try you'll never induce him or Patriot to start thinking. They are the bought and paid for "lap-dogs" of the rich. By their definition they are always right and everyone else no matter what is wrong.
Like I said, I agree that social welfare can help people in need...the people that actually want to work. Alabama Food Assistance Program regulations state:
1) Benefits for Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) certification last for 1 year and a semi-annual report is required for those required to report significant changes in household
2) Each person is required to register for a work program except for these people: (I'm only listing the ones that are pertinent to the debate)
a) Persons who are the sole provider for dependent children 6 years of age or younger
b) People already working that equate to 30 hours a week
c) People unable to work due to mental or physical disabilities
Single mothers in poverty-stricken neighborhoods in Alabama (NOT ALL) often take advantage of the work exemption policies set forth by the DHR of Alabama. They do this by continuing to have children so they can renew benefits and not have to work. Also, the more children they have the more money they receive for food. This is referring to the EBT Program of the SNAP. Before, people would often SELL food stamps for money so they could purchase other items. However, I'm not quite sure about this, I believe super stores like Wal-Mart, take EBT (in the form of a credit or debit card), for all store items, not just food. Like I said, I haven't researched that.
To quote you: "They system forces people to say fuck it, why should I try to work my ass off?" EXACTLY my point! People that have VERY low paying jobs and still need assistance, can't get it! It's only the people that are unable or refuse to work period. Now if someone waltzed in the DHR and told the rep that yeah, I'm able-bodied but I'm just lazy so I cheat the system, then benefits would probably be watched very carefully..but they would still get them! I haven't had a chance to review California's policies but I trust you know what you are talking about.
I'm not rich by any means. I consider myself middle class. I am a Staff Sergeant in the United States Army so the money I make is paid by the U.S. Government which comes from taxpayers. I have received unemployment benefits before and they were pretty difficult to get. Every week you had to submit a list of companies you have applied to. Not all systems are botched, however, the welfare and medicaid systems have a lot of loopholes that people can use to cheat the system.
By the way, I believe I mixed up screen names in my previous post when I was replying. It wasn't you, JoyFulOne that was calling people liars and being condescending, it was Motorpoodle. Apologies for the harsh words.
@Motorpoodle:
If inflation and government spending is not why the economy is in a downturn, then I would love to hear what you think it is.
"Tax rates on the rich are at a historic low and many of them pay lower rates than middle class earners."
If you had a flat tax and less deductions that would take care of that problem.
According to that chart, since the start of the Federal Reserve, it seems that tax rates have ALWAYS been low for the rich. Very convenient huh?
I do believe some regulations should be in place to protect children (not legal adults therefore cannot vote), poisons such as lead, and so on. You are entirely misconstruing what I said. Regulations on how businesses operate, not unsafe acts towards humanity. Twisting my words around to make you right does not mean I'm a liar. I know what socialism is. Government-owned production. I said that would be a step toward socialism...not full on socialism. Once again, twisting my words. The government making back door deals to fit their hidden agenda is a step towards socialism...how is it not?? Large government influence in private sector businesses in moving toward socialism. Plus, if a company was making lead bottles, I doubt with today's intelligence that the company would last more than a few weeks. That's what supply and demand is. When consumers love a product, they want more of it. The company then produces more and people keep buying it. The company makes money and is required to hire more people and better technology to expedite production. That creates more jobs. Am I wrong?
Wow, thanks Magiste. Thank you for saying that I'm not thinking and calling me a lap-dog of the rich, being that I'm anything BUT rich. I believe that lower, middle, and upper class should ALL be treated and taxed EQUALLY. That's all. I do not, however, support a 1-class, government controlled society where everyone makes the same amount regardless of the work or lack there of. Most honest rich have gotten that way by taking risks in a risky economy and happen to come out on top. Why should they be treated any differently than the working man? If a man/woman chooses to spend all of his/her life in the mills and factories then that is their prerogative. BUT, they do have a choice to start a small business, invest in free market shares and companies, and play roulette on Wall Street. With higher risk comes higher reward and vice versa. High risk also comes with high loss as well depending on how much money you invest. So stop bashing me and calling me a "lap-dog" for the rich. I shun at the thought.
To: Don'ttreadonme
First, thank you for your service to our country. My parents met in Korea, (they were both in the Army.) They were both staunch Republicans until Nixon came along, and then turned to the Democratic party. (My Dad passed 12 years ago.) He worked for Transamerica Mortgage for 25 years in San Francisco. Oops, got off track, just giving you some history.
I too have collected unemployment, and yes it is hard to get even though I paid in to that insurance fund for decades. As a matter of fact, they make it so difficult I think they hope you just say forget it.
I think you missed my point in regard to being turned down for Aid To Families With Dependent Children. There I was, working everyday, taking my daughter to daycare, etc. meaning I was doing the right thing. I had even told the people at ATFWDC to send the money directly to my day care provider showing them that I wasn't using that aid to party on. But by saying I made $500 gross a year too much, my attitude changed after that in regard to people who do collect welfare. I think if I didn't have such a good job with room for growth, I would have quit my job and gamed the system. Another words, the system forces people on to welfare and state/fed assistance. Minimum wage just increased in 2008 after 10 years. And the only reason the GOP voted for the increase was because it was an election year and after bush they knew they were in trouble. The country is in the process of losing the middle class and if we don't do something about it we will be in the ranks of a third world country. Our form of government can fail just like any other form of government if we don't get our act together. I certainly don't have the answers but something must be done. My Mom used to always say, do something, even if it is wrong. That is the way I feel about Congress. Nothing is getting done because of the election coming up. The Dems and Reps both do it.
Anyway, thanks again for your service, I will try to be more civil. I just get heated up about some of the blogs.
DontTreadOnMe
Stop using the language of the "lap-dogs". People "choose" to spend their lives at low paying jobs. People "choose" to not work and get welfare (yeah, try going to the state and tell them your not going to work so put you on welfare) How asinine.
@Magistre
Stop calling me a lap-dog! Geez. The American people like security. If people have low paying jobs and making ends meat, obviously they would want more than that. All I am saying is that people can choose not to live that life. Is that not true? Is everyone doomed to poverty? Of course not. Are you telling me that you can't invest and profit from that? Can you not open your own business with an idea or product? Obviously everyone is not going to open a business and everyone is not going to be rich...but every American has the option to do something else. This is America. Land of the free.
I'm in the Army. I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. So I do what I can to get by and save money so I can do other things in life. I'm married and have a 2 year old girl. I know what's its like to be poor and I know what it's like to be well off. And I've bounced between the two. I've worked my hands to the bone for a living. I know what its like. So don't tell me that I'm a lap-dog. You have no idea.
Wow. We just watched a video that suggested we should all work together and that our strength lies in our unity. There is very little in this discussion that demonstrates this. it seems like people would rather continue arguing than work together to create a prosperous nation...
"Don't Tread" what you said and implied was that the welfare system is rampant with "cheats". You're falling back on sterotypes and that is just sloppy (non)thinking. I'm sure there are some cheats-there always are, but people on this board, some people, make it sound like the system is full of them. Its not-unless you count the politicians.
@Magiste:
I'm not suggesting that everyone on welfare is cheating. I'm speaking from personal perception and experience and not from stereotypes. I will, however, attempt to look at the situation with a much broader perception. Albert Einstein said, "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions." I agree with you on the politicians. They are the ones cheating the most!
@JoyFulOne:
Unity is key in fixing this economic crisis.
Oh yeah, its not the welfare system that is full of cheats per say, its the laziness of certain people and their persistence to find them.
Don't Tread: You prove my point.
To Donttreadonme:
I think you over estimate the amount of people that actually like being in welfare. You don't get that much money, plus like I said before it is not a forever thing. The best thing for everyone to do is go to your own state aid websites and read the rules and regs in regard to receiving aid. I think everyone would be surprised at how hard it is to get and the rules for continuing aid. You make it sound like people go to these sites to collect before looking for a job. Most Americans want to work and be productive.
To Donttreadonme:
You stated: Unity is key in fixing this economic crisis.
I couldn't agree more. We should ALL come together right now. I am guilty of the blame game, but we can't afford to do that anymore. It will be our demise.
propaganda against communism...guess who won in 1988?
One of the poster made a statement about the collective community and that just states what is going on in our country. Lo0ok at the ficticous Borg on Star Trek fame. They are known as a collective. That is one entity that controls all others and all others do exactly what is best for the collective which is actually for the one entity that is controlling it because that is what everything is done for that one entity. People go to school and get jobs then they work their way up the lader until one day they are in a better situation. The job market is scary right now and it is because of our government plain and simple. You all remember the Carter era, he was one the biggest puppets on a string than any other president. He could not even fart without permission. Pretty soon we will bee in the same boat if we keep going down the path to socialism like we are heading. Pretty soon we will all be the collective taking our oprders from the one entityu and won't be able to fart without permission.
To Crazy: We have this economy because of LACK of regulation and GREED. During the bush w. administration, the only thing they thought about was starting a needless war and supporting the Military Industrial Complex, while in the background Wall Street, Banks, F & F and Loan Agencies were running amuck. bushtard also lowered taxes while being in 2 wars which is unheard of. We are no where near being a socialized country. That is just a Faux News buzz word. What is wrong right now is the death of the middle class. And if you want to know what that looks like, spend a month or two in TJ, Mexico..
However one feels about constitutional freedoms from government oppression (and one SHOULD be pretty much panicked about the Patriot Act and the loss of 4th Amendment protections and habeas corpus, which the present admin. has not yet restored), one needs to recognize that the government is our only ally and not our opponent in today's battle for our freedom and safety.
Our wealth, our security, our freedom, and our chance of a prosperous and healthy future were signed over to 1% of "Americans" and their multinational corporations. 48% of our annual deficit goes to them--betcha didn't know that. We have to give up highways, medical care, and retirement because HALF the owed taxes (those paid by us) aren't adequate to maintain a reasonable country, and the corporatists are not about to pay their half.
By 2008, we had so little wealth remaining that it was probably hopeless. House Republicans insisting on giving our future earnings to the same companies prolonged the problem. And the people who HAVE our $2.5 TRILLION in offshore banks are now lavishly using it for bribery, to buy elections, and to re-shape the United States from a democracy to a corporatocracy (fascist state).
They are winning largely because so many Americans have been trained like dogs to salivate at the very idea of "government," to view it (which is us) as their enemy, and to have completely lost the intellectual capacity to see the real picture because of the red haze of mindless hatred of government they nurture without the least idea of what they're talking about.
In the end, THOSE people are costing us our country, our freedom, and our democracy.
While you continue to repeat the notion that government somehow suppresses free enterprise, check this statistic: Number of small and medium American companies put out of business this year by mega-corporations and their economic grip on the economy: 47,000. Number of small and medium American companies put of out business this year by the U.S. Government: 0. And so long as people can't get that through their heads, it will keep getting worse.
FredMars said: "How quickly people will give up their freedoms today for the illusion of security, and the false hope of prosperity through government control."
No, what is mind-boggling is how quickly people will give up their freedoms to that military-industrial complex against which President Eisenhower warned us, the oligarchy that now owns most of our available wealth and is rapidly ending our middle class in favor of nationwide poverty.
One of the best breaks they have is the idiocy that imagines and clings to some notion that the "gummint" is behind it, and goes out of its way to cripple the government from protecting us. People like that know nothing; like a Pavlovian dog, they respond exactly as trained to the word "government" by slavering and growling, paying no mind to the multinationals stealing everything they have behind their backs while they are busily disabling the only protection they have.
matenecrazy1m, with that level of paranoia, I assume you are Republican/T-Bagger.
RIGHT ON FIONA! Couldn't have said it better!
Bob, what an idiot. I can't believe anyone at this point is thinking obama has done a good job. The only job he's done is making the poor more dependent on the government. Yeah, that's going to work out for everyone. President Bush did what he needed to do when 9-11 hit. Can you imagine if that had happened when obama was president?
Kandy, sorry but you have it backwards: 9/11 happened so Bush could do what he did.
During the era of the cartoon we (Americans) were recovering from WWII, and trying to warn the citizens how the communist activities that cost us our freedoms.
This cartoon is a warning that went unheeded in 2008.
Kandy said: The only job he's done is making the poor more dependent on the government. What are you talking about? OUR money paid in taxes is what creates the safety net. And if you are talking about the Affordable Care Act, looks to me like the private sector murderous private health insurance companies haven't quit done a good job. The LEAST we can do with our tax dollars is help the less fortunate. I would rather have my money spent that way instead of spending it on the VERY bloated Military Industrial Complex. The best the GOP had to offer in regard to healthcare reform is letting PH insurance companies compete across state lines. Does anyone with one brain cell left think that that will lower rates? Single payer is the ONLY way. There is NO waiting for surgery in Canada unless it is elective surgery. There is so many BS lies about Canada and Europe's healthcare system. And even if you think you have great health insurance, just wait until you need cancer treatment or need heart surgery. Just your cost alone would bankrupt you. My son-in-law pays $700 a month and his company matches it for health insurance. So together it is $1.400 a month. My daughter has vein problems in one of her legs and the insurance company called and said that they don't cover any vascular problems. WTF? Funny how people will vote against their own self interest. Good God!
What? bush did what he had to do after 9-11? Really? Invade a country with no WMD's and had NOTHING to do with 9-11? And even if a country does have WMD's, does that give us the right to attack them? Cause if that is it, we just sent an invitation to all countries to attack us because, yes we do, we have WMD's...The very best thing the Republicans can do is just go ahead and say that bush was a complete failure and couldn't make a right decision if his life depended on it. Everyone bitches about the debt, but not a peep about the 5,000 troops dead in Iraq and the $3 TRILLION dollar CF Iraq was. That cost includes all VA costs. There are 17 suicide attempts by Iraq veterens daily and who knows how many actually DO have a successful suicide attempt.
Everyone says that the stimulus was a failure. Well, without it we would all be experiencing a radical depression. We were in a free fall when President Obama took office, yet no one remembers that! Please everyone, get off Fox News and MSNBC, and get on the internet and do some research, cause I am afraid that if you don't, it will be the end of us. There is NOTHING factual happening in the main stream media, all zombie opinions. Now is not the time to be lazy!
Oh, also if anyone that says that the Democrats voted for the Iraq war, I will remind you that Congress was LIED to i regard to the Iraq war, just as you and I were. Congress and the American people were fearful and angry after 9/11 and bush/cheney took advantage of that. And now the GOP is bashing President Obama for leaving Iraq when in fact President Obama is adhering to the agreement that bush made with Iraq in regard to when our troops left Iraq. Please, for the love of God don't defend that needless war. Makes me puke!
I agree whole heartedly Kandy.
Fiona M, quit drinking the kool aid girl. You must be a troll from the Obama admin.
This administration is intent on owning you and me. They are more part of the corporations than any admin ever has.
As the bumper sticker says "if you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not racist, then vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not stupid"
PRINCETON, NJ -- A new low of 26% of Americans approve of President Barack Obama's handling of the economy, down 11 percentage points since Gallup last measured it in mid-May and well below his previous low of 35% in November 2010.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/149042/new-low-approve-obama-economy.aspx
@motorpoodle "Actually historically stimulus spending has been successful in many countries."
So, who...how long did it last? What about today's world? Stop using slanted websites, they are no more reliable than Geithner or Holder (not to mention Obama).
@motorpoodle "Kandy, sorry but you have it backwards: 9/11 happened so Bush could do what he did."
What, protect Americans, Bush did a hell of a job doing that.
Show me the un-biased truth from a trusted source...and this is all I want to hear from you in this post. Oh, you are wrong about the polls, what do you expect from the AP?
@JouyfulOne: "And if you are talking about the Affordable Care Act, looks to me like the private sector murderous private health insurance companies haven't quit done a good job."
I suppose that is why United Health Care has paid my Oncology treatments and tests to the tune of $356,775.00, just so far. According to the non-government written Health Care bill (ObamaCare), given my age, I wouldn't qualify for expensive treatments. Why do you think all Medical Records will now be under Government Control. M.D. Anderson Cancer Center had to hire 300 people to digitize their medical records, which would be entered into a "National Database", there goes another freedom, Doctor Patient Privilege.
JoyFulOnesaid...
Oh, also if anyone that says that the Democrats voted for the Iraq war, I will remind you that Congress was LIED to i regard to the Iraq war, just as you and I were. Congress and the American people were fearful and angry after 9/11 and bush/cheney took advantage of that. And now the GOP is bashing President Obama for leaving Iraq when in fact President Obama is adhering to the agreement that bush made with Iraq in regard to when our troops left Iraq. Please, for the love of God don't defend that needless war. Makes me puke!
So, you are speaking of and calling all these liars: NSA, British Mi6, the U.N. security council, Pakistani ISI, AND the plans themselves found in Iraq during the war? Bush didn't make the case, those reports is why democrats went along with the war. Then there were the Nuclear 'ready to assemble' documents Saddam told the British troops where to find them, which also said all of it had been shipped to Syria, thank God the Israelis bombed the facility out of existence. Discussed on C-span!
Then the truth comes out about the Valerie Plane story who also sent her husband (without permission) Joe Wilson to Nigeria to see if anyone was selling Yellow Cake Uranium to Iraq, and if she was really trying to conceal her identity, why did she tell Robert Kovack who she was...knowing it would be leaked by a Republican (himself)???
Been away for a week, catching up..
To: daveleeander! The government is on the way to owning you? Really? Where in the hell did you get that comment, some airhead on Fox News? Tell me HOW the government is owning us? Every time a Democrat gets in the White House we start hearing these socialized bullshit comments. It is so ridiculous. The GOP wants government out of your lives except when it has to do with personal freedoms. They can't stay out of our bedrooms and churches. The hypocracy should blow everyone's head off. When McCain was on the campaign trail he said the only spending he would do is on the military. Does anyone out there realize what kind of depression we would be in right now. Wake the f#@k up!
daveleeander, why is it that you Baggers all use the exact same phraseology, word for word? Does this prove none of you have minds of your own? Quit the campaign against rationality, please!
daveleeander, why is it that you Baggers all use the exact same phraseology, word for word? Does this prove none of you have minds of your own? Quit the campaign against rationality, please!
I suppose I should be honored to be lumped in with the Tea Baggers, so I will be!
Your rationality is something that scares the beejeesus out of me and most of the country. You are a minority that would like for everyone to believe you are on some etheral plateau and have the answers to all our problems. The democratic party as it is now would like for us to believe the same.
We will take our country back. You can sit on these blogs and discuss back and forth the "rationale" for all things, both big and small. In the mean time, God fearing, gun toting, Tea bagging, grandmothers and grandfathers, sons and daughters will do what needs done.
Enough said on this cartoon which no one paid attention to when they should have.
To Patriot:
bush protect America? 9-11 happened on his watch. And don't go blaming Clinton either. bin Laden was in bombing range twice with Clinton and both times his military advisors said too many civilians would die. Then when Clinton left office, he verbally and in writing that an attack was a possibility and al-Qaida was America's biggest threat. What did bush do? He had a drink or 6.
Re: You PH Insurance
So your PH insurance company has paid $356,775 for your treatment. How much do you owe? What is your monthly premium. What insurance company? How much are they going to raise your rates? My guess is they are going to drop you like a hot potato...
Iraq War:
Yes, all of the organizations you mentioned lied. How do I know? Cause there were NO weapons of mass destruction. Ya, I have heard of the yellow cake bullshit. And that is what that is, bullshit. No where near being a WMD. Why didn't bushtard invade Iran? From what I hear they are a lot closer to having WMDs. Please don't embarrass yourself with that ridiculous argument.
The jury is in regarding the Iraq war and if the Republicans would get honest about it I and many Americans would have so much more respect. To keep defending bush is beyond ignorant.
To daveleander: What again? Take our country back? Back to where? The bullshit about freedoms being taken away from us is so ridiculous I can't stop laughing. Exactly WHAT freedoms have you lost? The GOP took a beating in 2009 and they just can't get over it. And don't say "most Americans feel a certain way." That is EXACTLY what Faux News does. Every other sentence they are saying "most people" feel a certain way when in fact they don't. Again, get of the main stream media and do some research. You crack me up!
It isn't "government" to whom we are rapidly giving over control ... it those bloated, greedy unregulated multi-national corporations, banks and a Wall Street gone wild!
It is isn't "government" to whom we are rapidly giving away our freedom and control of our lives -- it's those greedy, bloated unregulated corporations, banks, and a Wall Street gone wild!
@daveleeander - how about answering the question? What specificaly has Obama done to own you?
You sound like one of silly shills drinkin kool aid where someone tried to scare you with some vague bullshit and you lapped it up. So be specific or go back to your basement.
People voted for Obama because he was the best choice. Hell McCain had an insane idiot as VP. To prove you weren't stupid you'd have to vote Obama.
In fact accoding to exit polls far more racists voted against him because of his race than there were people that voted for him because of race.
Ya Motorpoodle, a lot of people drink that socialism kool-aid. I am old enough to know that it happens every time a Democrat gets in the White House. And yes, whether the baggers or red necks will admit it, it drove them CRAZY that President Obama was black. So what did they do? They used every other word except the "N" word, cause it is not politically correct to say the "N" word anymore. McCain is a moderate Republican, (except when it comes to the Military Industrial Complex.) And yes, correct again in regard to McCain's choice for VP. Couldn't have made a worse mistake. Anyone who has to write stuff on their hand to give a speech is not VP material. Remember the interviews with her? Embarrassing.
@JoyfulOne - I forgot to thank you for the compliments. :)
@Patriot - "Stop using slanted websites"
I don't use slanted websites. I use widely respected websites. You on the other hand have tried to link us to fringe whacko conspiracy nut websites.
"What, protect Americans, Bush did a hell of a job doing that."
What the hell? More Americans were killed then under any president in a long time. Not to mention 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.
"Show me the un-biased truth from a trusted source"
That's exactly what I do everytime you make up some crazyness.
"Oh, you are wrong about the polls"
No, I proved that the poll numbers you made up were a complete lie. By linking to the polls.
"According to the non-government written Health Care bill (ObamaCare), given my age, I wouldn't qualify for expensive treatments."
Another lie. You can still even get it paid for through United Healthcare. In fact you're better protected to keep receiving the treatments.
"Stop insurance companies from limiting the care you need. For most plans starting on or after September 23, these rules stop insurance companies from imposing pre-existing condition exclusions on your children; prohibit insurers from rescinding or taking away your coverage based on an unintentional mistake on an application; ban insurers from setting lifetime limits on your coverage; and restrict their use of annual limits on coverage."
"there goes another freedom, Doctor Patient Privilege."
In reality the privacy restriction are better than paper records.
"The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) was passed in the US in 1996 to establish rules for access, authentications, storage and auditing, and transmittal of electronic medical records. This standard made restrictions for electronic records more stringent than those for paper records"
Electronic records will save a lot of lives but I agree that privacy should be highly regulated.
"So, you are speaking of and calling all these liars: NSA, British Mi6, the U.N. security council, Pakistani ISI"
If you'd remember correctly the UN had inspections going still when the war started and they said everything was checking out. Bush and Powell made a presentation based on lies and misinformation convincing people that there was imminent danger so they could go to war. Of course they were wrong and hundreds of thousands of innocent people died. Iraq was no threat to us.
@JoyFulOne, my deductable (as though it's any of your darn business) per annum is $100.00 (includes Doctor Visits, Prescription(s)...(a whopping $5.00 ea.), that is gone on my first Doc visit. For catastrophic coverage it is $1,000.00 per year. However we have a savings account only for Major Medical, my Company gave me the coverage as part of my retirement pkg.
What do I/we owe? Not a penny on anything, if we cannot pay for it, we do not buy it!!!(again none of your business, respectfully). I personally do not, nor have I ever asked about anyone's personal financial business. Maybe it was the era we were raised in, when respect for your fellow man really meant something.
Our company had a voluntary program, where if anyone volunteered their time to spend a week or more helping the homeless (blankets, food, taking them to shelters, but especially job offers to those who were fit enough to work, we paid for their 'full physical', working at shelters, Meals on Wheels, and so on, were paid time and a half for hourly, and lower end salaried people were written a check for $100.00 for every full week they spent doing the work. Most of the sallied would just write H.R. a check to pay it back, hourly who tried to pay it back, they would include it in the pay as a work bonus. Many good hearted police would escort those who could only go into the 5 Wards at night. There were many good Black, White, and Hispanics, but would not be seen talking to us in the daylight, so we would fold a $20.00 and our card, including a Metro card if they wanted to get a job. That way if they were questioned by so-called buddies, they could pull out the twenty...what they told the others about the money wasn't any of our business.
No one really knows how many millions our Evil Private Sector business paid in donations to charities. We spent $2 Million the aftermath of Katrina, which was charged as business to our locations in La. as not to be reimbursed as a charitable deduction. The only charity the Unions do, is to give to Liberal Politicians using part of the employees dues.
@motorpoodle, you used one source in your quoted poll...ONE and from the AP of all. Try Politico where ALL polls are summarized into one.
You know I might respect you more if you showed some good qualities about yourself...you come off as a know-it-all, and superior to everyone who may have a somewhat differing opinion than yours. Yes, sorry to break it to you, but you do only make comments on the parts of statements only you wish to choose, you have yet to answer any questions put to you.
Obviously you only believe what you want to hear, damn the truth or real facts. You never see me quote conservative sites, much less link to them. Faux intellectual elitist amuse me.
To Patriot: I am also from a generation where I do not ask personal questions, but since our personal information is not shown on NJ or our real names, who gives a shit what personal questions you ask? You forgot to answer the most important question. Who is your insurance company? That way I can check out if what you say is true. In my 53 years of life I have NEVER heard of an insurance company paying 100 percent of ANY treatment. They pay up to 80 percent. So, it would be good to hear who insures you.
To Patriot: My Father paid Blue Cross private health insurance premiums for 25 years. Then he found a lump on the back of his neck. He went in to the doctors and they discovered he had early stage Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. At the time I was living in Hawaii and my Dad was in California. In his policy there were no limitations on which doctor he had to chose. He started seeing a great onogologist (sic) and after his first treatment he got a letter from Blue Cross stating he wasn't allowed to see the doctor that started his treatment. My Dad called me and said he had read the policy and no where did it state that he could not chose a certain doctor. I hung up the phone and said, "Bullshit." Two weeks later I moved to California. My Dad hired an attorney and showed up at the local Blue Cross office with his attorney. Long story short: He kept the same doctor. Most people can't afford to hire an attorney by the way and quite frankly shouldn't have to.
Now for my oldest brother. I blame his death on his insurance company. It was one of those kind that had a network of doctors. He suffered from daily migraines and other health issues. They were constantly denying tests and one of the doctors thought my brother was a drug seeker. I finally got involved and raised hell. We had to fight harder for his insurance coverage than fighting his illness. My brother received Federal Disablility and if anyone has had to collect that, you have to see one of their doctors and their main goal is to deny claims and they didn't with my brother. My brother ended up committing suicide because of all the stress he had to endure. He had other personal problems too, but fighting for health is complete and total bullshit. Our system of healthcare insurance and delivery is a joke to all other industrialized nations. No one talks about how much it costs the states and federal governments because of the kind of PH care system we have now. Single payer is the ONLY way. Cut the military spending in half, stop sending money to any other country and start spending OUR tax dollars on OUR citizens. When your child is dying and your fighting your insurance company or don't have insurance, you don't give a fuck if they call it socialized medicine. Where the hell is the compassion in the Republican party? It is truly sickening.
Patriot you lie in every post. Unions do tons of charitable work and donations. I might respect you just a smidge if you weren't constantly trying to spread lies.
You claim I only linked to one poll. I guess tha makes you a real problem since you linked to none. That's because my poll was rea and you made up your numbers.
There's nothing intellectual about looking up the lies you tell and linking to facts that prove you're lying again.
Want to tell us again how the Dream act let's violent illegals out of prison? The only time you even made a slight attempt to prove anything you've said is when you linked to some conspira nutter sites regarding the UN. Then you have the hypocrisy to bitch about associated press.
Excuse the typos In the previous post. My phone seems to miss letters.
Patriot - "you do only make comments on the parts of statements only you wish to choose"
I don't reply to every single statement you make but I prove the bulk of them to be false and link to facts. I don't have unlimited time.
You, on the other hand, change the subject as soon as you're proven wrong. You never revisit stuff that you've been proven wrong on and admit you were wrong or attempt justify the lies.
I'd like to go back and line up every lie you've told over the last few pages but I'll start with just the Dream Act letting violent prisoners loose and your most recent claim about your healthcare no longer being covered. Do you have any justification for those two at all? Anything?
"you have yet to answer any questions put to you"
Bullshit. Line them up and I'll knock them down.
Motorpoodle wrote: Patriot - "you do only make comments on the parts of statements only you wish to choose" (Meaning Patriot)
You are correct. When you lay out a fact, he references bogus underground type websites. I do not take him seriously anymore. ANYONE, whether Democrat or Republican that says bush made the right decision to invade Iraq either they don't have a brain cell left or they need to go to a rehab. Someone said that we all have the right to our own opinions, but there is only one set of facts. I agree with that!
What happened to my posts from 2:30 this morning? I address my sympathies to JoyFulOne for her Father and Brother (where I asked if his insurance was an HMO. I also answered your question about what insurance, I have Premium policy with United Health care, not sure if it is still offered, since my company allowed me, as part of my retire package with the same coverage we have had for the past 15 years. We left Aetna.
Also not here just after my post to Joy...it was a very long note to you, and a nice reply to motorpoodle's question.
Perhaps I can get back to doing it over again if I get back from my treatment this afternoon.
Funny how a cartoon can explain more than the government can about how we should never forget what has made US free. As a Christian I will not be deceived, so I question if Ronald Wilson Reagan, count 666, who was given 42 months to continue and Falwell and Robertson the '2 horns like a Lamb" is one part of the antichrist and the Obama-nation of Desolation, is that a man who claims he's a Christian and prays with the Pope in his heart to allah? Is America the beast John saw in Revelations? Let no man steal your crown. I renounce my social security number as the mark of the beast? Why are we numbered like cows? The Lord comes soon...
Funny how a cartoon can explain more than the government can about how we should never forget what has made US free. As a Christian I will not be deceived, so I question if Ronald Wilson Reagan, count 666, who was given 42 months to continue and Falwell and Robertson the '2 horns like a Lamb" is one part of the antichrist and the Obama-nation of Desolation, is that a man who claims he's a Christian and prays with the Pope in his heart to allah? Is America the beast John saw in Revelations? Let no man steal your crown. I renounce my social security number as the mark of the beast? Why are we numbered like cows? The Lord comes soon...
Oscar and Bernie really shows how religion can make people wacky. Wow.
Oscar and Bernie! Whoooaaa! I really tried to understand what you are trying to say but just can't. Whatever you are on, maybe cut back a little..Just some constructive advise,,,,,
Thank you Patriot in regard to my Father and Brother. Ya, sometimes my posts don't go through either. Before I send off my post I always copy it in case I need to paste it. Glad to hear you left Aetna. That is the insurance company my brother had. They didn't give a flying shit about him. My brother was just a number to them. Aetna is certainly not the only one. ALL PH insurance companies are in it for the money, not for the health of this nation. I would trust the federal government WAY more than private health insurers. And I know very well how the VA system works and Medicare and they far surpass the PH insurance industry. Any day of the week...
Wake up America..This could happen again.
Johnson33 stated: Wake up America..This could happen again.
Ya, and the earth could start spinning in the other direction. Hell, anything could happen...
Fear Fear Fear! The GOP has got to the point that it is a boy who cried wolf situation. After Iraq and their miracle economic ideas, I can't believe anything they say. Today in the GOP House had nothing better to do except vote for a bill that keeps "In God We Trust" as our motto for another 5 years. Really? Don't they have anything better to do? In the last election I remember very well them saying jobs, jobs, jobs. To date they haven't had a half baked idea yet. Lord help us!
Just to say this Cartoon preaches everything that was good of America, and what it can be come. Since the country has started things have been shun to go the politicians way. I feel that younger people in office, removal of all older judges that are stuck in their way from the 60's, 70's and 80's I feel a younger crowd whether you feel it or not, needs to implement its ideas. I think something the cartoon was referring to is we don't need specified parties, we need to elect who is best. Who has the best ideals, liberals sucks, conservative have their heads so far up their ass they aren't willing to change, same as goes for liberalistic democrats. We don't need any of them we just need a person who will run this country they way it was supposed to be. Not about the corporations not about worrying about peoples personal freedoms but by following the constitution, and doing as mandated. If we cannot come to the realization of all errors we will end up just as the Romans and every other democracy before us.
Having political parties has become the main issue. Voting for candidates without party lines makes more sense.
Any candidate elected owes his loyalty to his party first and not to the constituients who put him in office.
It is time for we the people to take back our country. Our forefathers fought for freedon from tyranny but we are held hostage by our own government.
They have created a dependent nation and now are allowing illegal aliens to live off the government so they can garner votes. It's a disgrace and insult to honest, hardworking, taxpaying Americans.
Yet we sit back, complain about the faults in our country but actively do nothing to prevent it. Our own President declared to countries overseas that WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! And WE allowed HIM to get away with that.
HE said on Meet The Press that HE attended flag burnings and refuses to place his hand on his heart when our National Anthem is played because he hates it and thinks "I'd like To Teach The World To Sing" makes a better Anthem. And WE take it.
Here you all are complaining about a cartoon that makes outstanding references from 60 years ago that hit it right on the head regarding what's happening today.
You all want to argue mundane BS instead of doing something constructive on Election Day next week and showing the corrrupt politicians that their lifelong careers are in jeopardy.
Use your voices for change, not just to hear yourself speak. WE ARE THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and only we can bring our beloved country back to who she once was!!!!
Just saw this for the first time. And I'm sure not going to give up my freedom for any other system I've seen so far, nor do I recommend that anyone else should either. The cartoon makes good points, but let's not forget that EVERYONE has and wants ALL of those freedoms. Forgetting that may have contributed to the problem in the first place. Don't go backwards just for old time's sake. BE SMART PEOPLE.
Though Nazi Germany had been recently defeated, facism or corporatism, as Musolinni had originally called it, was still a factor when this movie was made in 1948. See Martin Boorman: Nazi In Exile by Paul Manning. Corporatists still remain a powerful political-economic players today, 2011, around the world. They want us to identify what they do in the name of 'free-market capitalism' with actual free-market capitalism—entirely different ways of operating. If we don't take this into account then we are just shilling as corporatist useful idiots. Hip for real free market economics!
Evesin said: Yet we sit back, complain about the faults in our country but actively do nothing to prevent it. Our own President declared to countries overseas that WE ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION! And WE allowed HIM to get away with that.
HE said on Meet The Press that HE attended flag burnings and refuses to place his hand on his heart when our National Anthem is played because he hates it and thinks "I'd like To Teach The World To Sing" makes a better Anthem. And WE take it.
1. If Obama declared the U.S. "not a Christian nation," he's only echoing George Washington's and John Adams' words to foreign potentates. He's legally right, and it's too bad more people don't understand that our religious freedom is really special, and not to be sneezed at.
So stop sneezing at it.
2. I doubt anything you claim about Obama, because he did not claim on Meet the Press -- nor in any other forum, anywhere, at any time -- that he attended flag burnings. However, there is probably a local Boy Scout troop in your area that conducts them regularly. You should go, if you're a patriot.
3. It is false to claim Obama doesn't salute the flag. It's a lie. Shame on you for saying that. (Here's video to prove my point: http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/obama-leads-the-pledge-of-allegiance/ )
4. It's a crass, crude and despicable lie to claim Obama said he hates the national anthem. What sort of disease or what amount of what drugs would cause anyone to say such a thing?
I started from the beginning and read almost all of the comments. Have any of you that post here done that? A lot of you have changed your views from 2009 to present or are so soft on your views that you don't know where you stand yourself.
This CARTOON is trying to say something that many of you don't get or understand. History is repeating itself, as it always has. The constitution is worded so that it gives rights to "THE PEOPLE". THAT'S US. To give us "THE PEOPLE" the right to vote who we want in office. To many people have forgotten what this country stands for. Freedom and Capitalism are what this country IS founded on, freedoms that no other country has. If any of you have read the many "FOUNDING DOCUMENTS" you would understand what the CARTOON was trying to say.
In just the past 10 to 15 years haw many freedoms have we lost because of the minority of people that are offended by the freedoms that we knew when we were growing up? How many of you are even old enough to remember? It seems to me that a lot of you are so centered on statics that you don't see the changes that have occured. Sure, some of you just think that saying the pledge of allegence is no big deal, or being able to fly the "AMERICAN FLAG" wherever or whenever you want is that big of a deal, or to pray when you want, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! You people that think that those things are an invasion of your rights to have to put up with seeing or hearing, you have STOMPED on what has built this great nation. Yes, this country has become so sensitive to all other races and have bowed down to THEIR culture, so much that our culture no longer exists. How many of you remember learning about ELlIS ISLAND?
Those people came over her for a better life, they learned our way of life and OUR language. They worked hard to be apart of THIS country, NOT THE ONE THEY LEFT. It makes me sick to think about what we have become. When was the last time we stood as a nation, to stand up for what we are? George Bush, and the "TWIN TOWERS". How long did it take for us to forget? Less than a year, except for the memorials that are held every year to remember the families and loved ones. Our memory span is so short and we are so engolfed in our own lives that thats all we care about. I think that the cause of saving this country and our freedoms are more important than that of letting other cultures dictating what we should become. Agendas have no place in government unless it is to make it smaller.Some of you want to blame the other administrations for the mess that we're in but the current administration wants to blame any event, be it natural or man made, on the current state of our country. Pick any event that has happened in the last 3 years and there is an excuse for why we are in debt to the point we are. Do you believe that this country should be toting the bill for so many other countries when we can't even take care of our own?What are we teaching our children? Someone will always take care of us. That is what the "ISM" in the CARTOON was telling us back in 1948. Let us take care of you, we can do it better than you can. If you understand the CARTOON then you SHOULD understand what is happening in this country right now. Our government has become way to big and we have become way to small. "WE THE PEOPLE" need to start standing up for what we once had and make our voice heard. The only way we can do that is to vote. If you don't vote you have no voice and therefore you shouldn't be voicing your opinion anywhere.
If you read this, thank you and if you watched the CARTOON and UNDERSTOOD it then you know where I am coming from. There are a lot of you that don't and believe that it is the GOVERNMENTS JOB to take care of you and or it is your right to have everything that the wealthy have. NO! You have the right to, "LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PERSUITE OF HAPPINESS.
Henry: What freedoms have been taken away from you? I am 53 years old and through both Republican and Democrat Presidents, I can't think of one. I can still say what I want to say, I can still own a gun, I can still go to any church I want, etc. I seriously can't think of anything that I used to do that I can't do now. Help me out here.
This is the definition of watered down propaganda. Try to look beyond the simplified message, that capitalism equals freedom.
Most analytical adults do not rely on decades-old cartoon versions of reality (particularly racist, sexist, WASPy cartoon versions), to affirm their present day political beliefs.
Look at the context and the actual implications of what "ism" is. McCarthyism died less than ten years after this cartoon was made. Let's not resurrect that shameful period of our history.
Thank you Travel Bug. I agree with you. We can learn from history, but it is a different world now. The Founding Fathers could have NEVER realized how this world would change. We are a global market. They would have never dreamed planes would fly in to our buildings. They would have never imagined our technology. It is time for us to look toward the future and quit trying to change things to mirror the past. That is why I am proud to say I am a Progressive.
Ok, so you really believe that history isn't repeating itself? They tried to take freedoms away from us back then and they have already taken freedoms form us, like I said before. PROGRESS IV "ISM'? Is that what taking away our freedoms is all about? Lets just move forward and forget the past. THE PAST IS WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW!!!!! OUR forefathers did foresee a lot of what is happening, no not the thing you mentioned but the fact the GOVERNMENT get to big, and that is exactly what happend, but through time all the ratifications and amendments have gotten way out of hand. Government has gotten way to big. AND YES, obama has contributed to it exponentially..
there is your PROGRESS IV "ISM"....
Ok, so you really believe that history isn't repeating itself? They tried to take freedoms away from us back then and they have already taken freedoms form us, like I said before. PROGRESS IV "ISM'? Is that what taking away our freedoms is all about? Lets just move forward and forget the past. THE PAST IS WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW!!!!! OUR forefathers did foresee a lot of what is happening, no not the thing you mentioned but the fact the GOVERNMENT get to big, and that is exactly what happend, but through time all the ratifications and amendments have gotten way out of hand. Government has gotten way to big. AND YES, obama has contributed to it exponentially..
there is your PROGRESS IV "ISM"....
Ok, so you really believe that history isn't repeating itself? They tried to take freedoms away from us back then and they have already taken freedoms form us, like I said before. PROGRESS IV "ISM'? Is that what taking away our freedoms is all about? Lets just move forward and forget the past. THE PAST IS WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW!!!!! OUR forefathers did foresee a lot of what is happening, no not the thing you mentioned but the fact the GOVERNMENT get to big, and that is exactly what happend, but through time all the ratifications and amendments have gotten way out of hand. Government has gotten way to big. AND YES, obama has contributed to it exponentially..
there is your PROGRESS IV "ISM"....
To Guest: During your lifetime, what freedoms have the government taken away from you. Please list them! Thanks!
Unknown, did you forget that most of the freedoms that have been taken away were taken by the Bush-Cheney Whitehouse?
What about freedom of privacy, police and other Federal agency's can now come on to someone's driveway and attach a GPS tracker on any vehicle they wish, even Bush never went that far. Bush had permission to tap phone calls coming to and from known terrorists, or suspected terrorists. If it was found these calls were only private conversations, they were erased, and those people were removed from the lists. Obama is now using the same technology to listen in on anyone they wish to tap without a warrant, and took it even further by listening in on cell phone calls, which are also being used to track people. Even now they are have the ability to remotely turn on MS Sync and OnStar, up to and including cell phones. Bush was damned for doing less and you all screamed about it, but with Obama in the WH, it's okay now.
Freedom of some speech and privacy, as they can look at anyone's private emails, follow them on the Web, and have even setup a website to report on what people are what others are saying about the Government and being reported by the populace. While it is now illegal to pray in schools, why are Muslims given a special room where they are allowed to perform up to three of the five prayers they say each day? Is Islam not recognized as a religion?
Oh, and Obama and Sarkozy need to apologize for the open mike remark the two they made about Netanyahu at the G-20 meeting in France. Not to mention the IAEA has found the Iranians are building nuclear weapons and all Obama is doing is wanting more Sanctions, the White House has also set up direct internet connections directly in Tehran for the sole purpose, should Iran want to discuss anything with the U.S. Obama is not a president as we know them to be, he has constantly sided with Muslims against our own nation. He is now pulling the remainder of our troops from Iraq, upon that announcement they now have a Sharia led government, and no way to protect themselves from Al Qaeda, just to keep a campaign promise when one should have never been made, just like Gitmo is still open.
This is my opinion and I am sticking to every word!
First of all, let's drop the hyphenated cultures, I am not aware of any, nor do I know any 'African-Americans, nor do I know any Mexican-Americans or Muslim-Americans who were actually born in this country. In fact, most Black people have never even visited Africa, Mexico, or any Arab and / or Muslim state/country, they were born here then they are Americans, period.
Yet even well known (White) comedians are not allowed to joke about any race, it may offend them...Have you heard Black and Mexican comedians joke most about, White people. Although I am unaware of any Muslim Comedians, except when Obama makes a joke, or when he attends the National Press Club dinner. (he's t he one who said he was Muslim, both in his book, and on at least two news videos from speeches, which a few copies can be found on YouTube).
It is just like the President in 2010 when the economy was briefly looking up (ever so slightly, hardly noticeable) made a prime time speech when he claimed it was now HIS economy, now that it is in the tank again it is once again Bush's fault. Call me crazy, but I vividly remember the Declaration of Independence saying that "All men are created equally"
Jailed border agent's family warned of massive fine 'Notice of intent to offset' sent to home, even though Diaz is in federal prison.
The federal government has sent a collection notice to the family of a Border Patrol agent who was jailed and fined for putting his knee in the lower back of a handcuffed , a known drug smuggler [Name Redacted] behind his back and pressing the suspect to the ground, an approved process for any typical arrest to counter resistance, exactly as they are taught at the Academy.
Although BPA Diaz had set the young man free, and allowed him to cross back into Mexico, but did keep and turned in the drugs to his office, President Andy Ramirez of the Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council, the organization working on a defense for Jesus E. Diaz Jr.
Congress has been asked to hold hearings to uncover why U.S. law enforcement officers are being charged, prosecuted and sent to prison for apparently doing what their jobs require. That call came from Ramirez of the LEOAC, which is working on Diaz' case. The officer was sentenced to 24 months in a Federal Prison and fined nearly $7,000 for his conviction based on the testimony of a drug smuggler caught with 75 lbs of illegal drugs.
DHS informed the Mexican Consulate in El Paso Texas to locate the young man in Mexico, amazingly he was found within a month, although the location of where he was found was never announced. Even though it was announced he had been located, it took the Mexican Diplomats over a week to return him to San Antonio on a DOJ prepaid airline ticket under immunity to testify against Agent Diaz.
During the trial, the young man reportedly was not the same one who was arrested, then freed by Diaz. The other three Border Patrol Agents with Diaz when the arrest was initially made, were not allowed to testify at the trial, either in the capacity of the encounter and arrest or the identification of the older teen who had been caught (for the second time). One of the observing Border Patrol Agents (name withheld) had been a both arrests.
Cont...Now, Ramirez has confirmed that Diaz' wife, also an agent with the U.S Border Patrol, got a "Notice of Intent to Offset" regarding the fine in her husband's case. Her husband, in federal custody, was served with his termination papers in his cell. But Ramirez said the collection notice was sent to Diaz' home, where his wife continues to live and care for their children.
"We strongly urge you to pay this debt immediately," states the unsigned letter. "If you do not pay your debt, federal law allows agencies to refer debts to the United States Department of the Treasury for the purpose of collecting debts through the Treasury Offset Program."
The letter warns that if 60 days pass and the "debt" is not paid – or a repayment agreement isn't signed – the government will target federal income tax refunds, federal salary, any retirement pay, other federal benefits and any payments made by states.
The Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council has the transcript of the trial on their website, here is a links to the .PDFs of the letter sent to A.G. Holder on from Congressman Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freeagentdiaz.com/docs/DHunter-Letter-AG-Holder-Diaz-Case.pdf
Second letter below
http://www.freeagentdiaz.com/docs/DHunter-Diaz-HolderLetter2-11-8.pdf
http://www.freeagentdiaz.om/docs/Free-Agent-Diaz-Flyer.pdf
The case regarding the GPS being attached to your car has not been ruled on yet by the US Supreme Court. Arguments were heard yesterday, so you obviously have not done your research. As far as the Patriot Act, that was instituted under that last President and some parts of it continued under President Obama. The last President broke 3 Geneva Convention laws and one US law in regard to torture. You can still say and do what you want. There is not a freedom that you were born with that has been taken away. You have the same constitutional rights that you were born with. To say otherwise is a lie!
Yes, Patriot, we know, Republicans good; Democrats evil. we've heard your tired, old song for a long while. Besides, along with most Republicans/T-Baggers, I'm sure you're subconsciously convinced that this is the case: George Bush=white=good; Barrack Obama=...
Yes Joy that is true, but they are allowed to continue until the ruling, which will go all the way to the Supreme Court. About the Geneva Convention, where were they when Obama illegally crossed the Pakistani border to conduct the Operation to kill bin Laden (I am happy he is gone for good, and in that respect...Kudos to Obama), but that does not erase the fact that is WAS against the Geneva Convention, then did the same in Yemen, but again kudos to Obama for taking out Alaki. Although the question has been raised by many, including members of his own party, "Can the U.S. Military follow an action to kill an American (who I think deserved it) without a trial?
If you are referring to Bush and the water boarding, which lead to the capture of many Al Qaeda operatives (and Hillary and Pelosi lied about not being informed and present when it was decided that the operation for water boarding of Al Qaeda killers), hand writing experts have verified her signature on the operation of water boarding Gitmo prisoners). So, Joy...please tell me what the other two Geneva Laws did Bush break? It's funny that I have not heard one word from Geneva about the Muslim crimes against humanity!
I had permission for the State Departments of Reagan and Clinton for working in Embargoed and hostile dangerous countries to the U.S. and/or its citizens, all they wanted in return was some information. I was even allowed a second passport since I had been in Israel many times, one cannot enter a Muslim country with that stamp in my passport, although Israel would allow me in with a Muslim stamp, there was work there as well, and I have made many, many friends in both religions. However if I were to get into trouble, I had to sign a waiver that the United States of America would not be held responsible in the event something did happen, and in a few instances I was in fear of my life. While in Libya (almost seven years there). I often had to make the trip from our camp in the middle of the Libyan Sahara, and the 2,000 mile trek to our home office in Tripoli. Any of us who made that trip knew the first place to stop for fuel was in Sirte, while fueling my truck, I witnessed a really bad accident on the coastal highway that very same day. I was asked by the Benzene Attendant (what they called gasoline and diesel), had I seen what happened and would I go with him to report the incident. Without hesitation I accompanied him to the main police there.
As it turned out , they didn't want to speak to me about what I had seen, instead I was accused of being a spy for Interpol (Idoits). After the interrogation, they were to take me back to my truck, but instead I was taken to the local small prison the cell they kept me in had nothing but a dirt floor, no running water, no bed, nothing at all but a 3x3 ft. bared window. For three solid months I was tortured almost every day, and it was sever. Where was the Geneva Convention then, by then many knew of my imprisonment. Secretary of State Clinton asked me not to publish my book when I sent her a rough manuscript, as it "could shed a bad light on Muslims and Islam", like I really care! Not sure of which regime would take it better, Kaddafi or the new Muslim Brotherhood in power at this point.
I can tell you for a fact that water boarding is nothing, I certainly do not consider it torture, as I said in 130+ degrees it was refreshing, and about the only thing close to bathing and getting a a few drinks of water. My story has been documented and the rest can be translated from Gothic Arabic. As for as the details, I am saving that for the book. But what really shocked my family and friends, is that I went back after many surgeries and healing, plus I was granted a trial this time, and stayed two more years.
@masitre, I never said Democrats were evil, just the progressives who seem to have a goal of complete power. Not to mention, there have been and still are many Republicans I do not like or agree with, unlike many others, I am not one of those anything goes for the party I belong to...
And for your information, I would rather be a T-Party guy than a Flea Party, such as those on the further Left who are supporting the anarchists.
Waterboarding IS torture and it DID NOT produce ANY al-Qaeda operatives. Not-a-one. I have investigated this completely. As a matter of fact, the opposite of torture worked. Please Patriot, talk facts. The GOP always talks about American values, well one of the United States of America's values is that we do not torture. bush/cheney gave this country a bad reputation. As I have said before, watch how many times bush or cheney leave this country. They won't. There are many countries that will arrest them for war crimes. Come on my friend. We are a nation of laws.
Patr@t, don't look now but your elitism and arrogance are showing.
JoyFulOne it is more than apparent from his writing that Patr@t sees himself as "above the law".
magistre, Obviously you out of your league when you when you nit pick...No, I am not above any laws, but I at least believe in them, very much unlike someone such as Obama and his Admin., especially the DOJ. By the way, neither of you commented on the Diaz situation, I was looking for input from you guys. pitiful, and pathetic and your collapsing little Ideals. We do not only come from a different party, but so much more. One day you'll know what I mean. It does sadden me that you may never get it, I do hope you can one day find peace within yourself, truly.
Yes, Lord Patr@t, Yes, Lord Patr@t..
You prove my point.
Amazing how much hate comes from the religious right! Sad, really. President Obama is a middle-of-the road Democrat; he's not in the far left wing and never has been. It was the Republicans who signed a pledge to a private individuals (Norquist) rather than to the people who voted them into office. It is the Republicans who have consistently voted no to everything Obama has proposed, just because he proposed it. It is the Republicans who cannot have an honest debate about the issues but who resort to name-calling because they cannot make a logical argument.
There is no President and there is no Congress who will please 100% of all Americans. The only way to move forward is to accept that there are two sides to every issue, find common ground between them, and forge compromises which benefit the country as a whole.
I don't understand the outrage against the health care law. An individual mandate (a Republican idea originally) is fine with me because I resent paying for the uninsured through increased insurance costs that are passed on to me. I have a pre-existing condition. I'm glad I can't be forced out so the insurance company can save a buck.
Finally, to all of the 'Christians'. Wasn't Jesus humble, forgiving, and kind? Didn't he tell the people to pay their taxes and honor their government? Do you seriously think he would look kindly on the hate in your hearts?
@Janet, with all due respect, do not forget it is a two way street. Democrats have blocked almost every Bill coming out of the House. There should never have been a way for all three branches of Government to go through, it creates a monopoly, EVERYONES interests (people belonging to differing parties) should be taken into account. Obama had it that way for two years.
As to what you spoke to' re: the Individual Mandate is 'unconstitutional' with respect to the fact that the U.S. Government is NOT allowed to force one to purchase something they may not want, mandated by our Government. Should this be allowed, then anything goes (It Was NOT a Republican Idea...EVER!!!) then next the Government can tell you how to care for your child, what you eat, they model of car you drive, what brands you can purchase, and so on...Then the other companies could just be closed by our own Government. In many states/cities they already have mandated the removal of salt from eateries, namely New York.
In many schools in mainly Liberal states/cities a child can no longer bring their own lunch to school, the schools feed them what is considered a nutritious diet with vegetables, soy burgers, leafy greens, and although I think it would be good for our children, they simply will not eat them, leaving it all in the lunch room wasted, and go hungry the rest of the day. This has been found by many doctors to be dangerous to children who participate in sports, and girls in cheerleading, field dance, and both sexes in Band.
As for hate, I experience it on these sites every single day I am online, there is just as much if not more coming from Democrats and Liberals, however regarding religion, they are not teaching hate, they are teaching from the Holy Bible, and have been for since before it was written..."as the Spoken Word". This is why our founding fathers included Freedom of Religion, so there would not be a single faith left out, it also falls under Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Speech. Are you willing to post to a Muslim Website the same thing? You would be hunted down and killed for doing it there, today our schools have banned Christian prayer, however they still allow Muslim children the time to say up to three of the five prayers per day, as Islam mandates.
We are certainly not a Religious State, but we are allowed to practice our beliefs, something else our Constitution Insists on, as how it should be. I for one am a believer, but I have never pushed my faith on anyone, ever...I coexist with non-believers, many of whom are my friends! Please read the 2nd amendment, on freedom to bear arms, that is not all it says. It also says, and tell me what it means. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." This was to insure that a Government who stepped out of favor with the majority of people who believe the government no longer represents the people or is the government allows allegiance to another type of state that is NOT in line with the Constitution, they (the people) have the right to take the country back. However, today that is no longer possible, provisions have been put in place so that can never happen.
I may not like what the other party stands for, are what is said on this page, but I will fight to my death to protect their right to say what they will, given that it is not slandering anyone.
The cartoon is correct and the things it talks about are the same things being promoted today by the occupy crowd and other give it to me crowd.
Obama has said he wants to acomplish the this the ism's promot in this cartoon by going around Congress. so that makes him a bad president.
I would bet few that write here were even alive in 1948 and there fore don't remember what our country was and is all about. The foreign Professors are teaching Socialism and few even know that is what they are learning. I lived in a foreign country and while the people were good, the Poliitical system kept all down and out! The ones that work pay for the ones that dont' and the Entitlements run out cause the workers can't support those on the Dole, any more and we see this all over the European Continent. Government going broke and now in our country, cause we can't support the many with so much out of work. Our Unions wanted higher and higer wages, that the Manufactures couldn't / wouldn't pay and so they moved overseas, Out -sourcing our jobs with them. The libbyist / politicians/ unions and manufacturers are to blame. GE 56,000 products made over seas, china. Light blubs made in Poland. Apple employes 400,000 in China. Micro soft. Out-sourced all right and our jobs with them. All because of GREED. We have to find a way to bring back the jobs to the U.S thru higer taxes to companies that manufacture abroad and limit what they can ship back here, if made over seas by an American Company. We can't build the industrial base we once had again, as we did in the 20"s and 30"s with the immigrants that were needed then to work the factories that were building the greatest nation ever. Now we have a country filling wiith immigrants that we can't find work for them, let alone Native Americans. We have to bring the jobs and industry back home. We are heading toward a Socialistic Society and it does not work! as shown by those that are Socialistic now! Going broke or are broke. Some of our people can't see this as they have not any experience with other countries that are Socalistic.
j.S
I agree Jack, I too have spent more than half of my career overseas, once a dual citizen of England, we also had a main office in Aberdeen...from there to almost every Middle Eastern country (including six years in Libya).
That is why anyone who is not a proud American, such as the Occupy Flee-baggers (for example) should HAVE to live overseas for a couple of years to really appreciate the U.S. Obama could not get Cap 'n Tax passed, so he just turned it over to the EPA for enforcement. Sadly this is not the first time he or his Administration have usurped the House, nor will he stop. No county has ever survived with Stimulus programs and the only few jobs actually created, have been for the Unions. The Capital Gains Tax on business must be left alone, not increased as well as tossing out the 180,000 pages of new Regulations. ObamaCare is another thing holding Big Businesses back, they are setting on no less than $2.4 Trillion dollars, but cannot see the future.
For God's sake, the Jobs Czar is Jeffery Immelt, head of G.E. who has moved the Medical part of G.E. to China, and just recently moved their Aircraft company over to China as well. How the hell can he be in charge of jobs sending half of G.E. to China, while Obama whines about other American manufactures there too, then has the nerve to call Americans "Lazy". Even Clinton allowed Loral to help China with their (classified) missile guidance systems, but only to use for communications satellites. Yeah, right...The put them in their Nukes too! I would also like to know where China got the plans for the F-22 Raptor, the Chinese showed it off on Obama's summit over there.
Government cannot create jobs, the best they can do is to create the conditions for business (both big and small) to begin hiring and bringing back the companies who have moved offshore, if they do not come back, then levy extreme import dues and taxes since the U.S.A. are still the largest buyers. Literally force them to move back by doing this, or cut them off completely.
This is not much different that this Keystone XL pipeline, Obama (I still cannot believe this) approved of the pipeline, but it ticked off is base, and is now back-peddling on the deal till 2013, just to help him get re-elected, even the Unions are pissed. This political move cost us 20,000 jobs, and around 150,000 more for other jobs the pipeline would create though U.S. outsourcing. Canada is now saying that it may have to sell the oil to China, and America loses very high quality oil and jobs, this move cause the price of oil to start climbing again, making gas prices rise once again.
Canada is using American Technology to laterally drill into the oil sands using a safe "frack and squeeze" procedure that we once used in Colorado, now it's off limits, too!!! Republicans MUST win the presidency next year, even if my favorite doesn't make the nomination, I will vote (like them or not) vote for the nominee!!
To Jack Stuart: I am sick and tired of hearing that taxes is the reason jobs keep going overseas. It is cheap labor and greed. Period. We are in the shape we are in because the last President started 2 un-funded wars while disregarding domestic issues completely and then convincing everyone "trickle down" economics work.
To Patriot: The Republicans keep chanting, "create an environment" for job creation.." What exactly is that environment? Like bush w. created an environment? The House Republicans say they have between 15 and 22 job creating bills that the Senate is sitting on. Well I read 15 of the bills and they had NOTHING to do with jobs, they were kill the EPA bills. None of the regulations would not even take affect until 2015 to 2017. If anyone out there thinks that we are in this mess because of too much regulation, they are high. In the 90's we had major air pollution regulations enforced and before they were the GOP was screaming the same things they are screaming now, "massive job loss and higher energy costs." More jobs were created and energy costs went down to be exact. And if we are to believe that giving corporations tax breaks will create jobs, we don't have to look that far back in history to see that that is not true. Take the bush w. tax cuts as an example. You don't have to go far to find out what a country is like that does not have a middle class. Mexico is a fine example and the OWS people know it!
That is why anyone who is not a proud American, such as the Occupy Flee-baggers (for example) should HAVE to live overseas for a couple of years to really appreciate the U.S.
I'm sure that was just a typo, and you meant "Tea Baggers" instead of the group you named. Doesn't make sense otherwise.
Obama could not get Cap 'n Tax passed, so he just turned it over to the EPA for enforcement.
Total fiction. EPA can't enforce laws that have not been passed. Sadly, there has been no action in the U.S. on cap and trade, the Republican plan to reduce air pollution. Now even Republicans oppose it, claiming that if we can just poison our children enough, unemployment will be solved. I suppose they think that reducing the workforce through retro-final solution is a good idea. It's unAmerican, inexplicable, and embarrassing.
Sadly this is not the first time he or his Administration have usurped the House, nor will he stop.
"Usurping the House?" As if the Congress no longer is constituted of two houses, as the Constitution said? You guys really don't like that document, do you.
No county has ever survived with Stimulus programs and the only few jobs actually created, have been for the Unions.
Except in the U.S. after 1941, the great stimulus programs of the WPA and CCC earlier, the Transcontinental Railroad, the Erie Canal, and every modern western nation.
The Capital Gains Tax on business must be left alone, not increased as well as tossing out the 180,000 pages of new Regulations.
Yeah. Businesses have been doing a bang-up job of creating jobs since 2005, so let's let the "job creators," the people who benefit from capital gains taxes, keep taking money from the hides of the poor and middle class. God knows the poor and middle class don't invest in those job creation plans, like moving Halliburton to Qatr. Our great old philanthropic uncle, Joseph "Boss" Tweed, always said "Capital gains is what we need -- only little people pay taxes." Or something like that.
In any case, you win the Leona Helmsley award for this thread.
ObamaCare is another thing holding Big Businesses back, they are setting on no less than $2.4 Trillion dollars, but cannot see the future.
If we fail to note that without the health reform plan, Big Businesses would be set back no less that $4.8 trillion, you have a point.
Cannot see the future? Well, no, if you don't look.
Thanks again Ed for stating facts. We have enough fiction coming from the right. The Republicans are good at one thing, you got to admit. They say the same things over and over and people start to believe it!!!! They are excellent at brainwashing!
BTW, the EPA was established under Nixon.
@Joy, would you please stop turning extremist taking points to Mr. Alinsky, who (if you care to read the book, “Rules for Radicals” you will find where he tells the ‘soon to be aspiring radicals’, and I quote: “If you say the same thing over and over again, people will believe it, especially if you can get the press to help.” So, don’t even try and drop that saying on the Republicans, when Democrats and their Mainstream Media not only practice the Alinksy rule, they have fine-tuned it…
I had a really good day when after Obama took the Buffet bait about taxing the rich more, and his infamous line “I pay less income tax than my secretary”, then Obama began using that and called it the “Buffet Plan”. Is anyone other than those who know why Buffet made the statement in the first place? HE DOES NOT TAKE A SALARY, only the profits, if people were watching when Buffet asked the president NOT to name his plan after him for that very reason. Here is the ‘kicker’; Warren Buffet is now SUEING THE I.R.S. for unfair over-taxation on his corporations.
I would have loved to seen the look on ‘Perez’ Barack bin Obama’s face when he heard about that one…ROFL…Ya gotta love it when these leftists hypocrites expose themselves, why you may ask? They never practice what they preach. Now that is Stimulus…
Ed, as much as I have disagreed with your comments, I don’t poke my nose into your posts, therefore I would ask you leave mine alone till you are amongst the enlightened, thank you.
Ed, as much as I have disagreed with your comments, I don’t poke my nose into your posts, therefore I would ask you leave mine alone till you are amongst the enlightened, thank you.
We in the enlightened wish you would quit with the hallucinations and denial, and join. Poke your nose into the facts for a change.
By the way, it's not Buffet suing the IRS, it's one of the corporations Berkshire-Hathaway owns, and they are not suing because they claim taxes are too high, only that the law is unclear on who is supposed to collect the taxes, and where. It's an issue of the taxes airlines and jets pay to support FAA activities -- and one more indication that those who worship this cartoon don't know their burro from a burrow.
Patriot: Ok, let's assume Buffet only collects profits. It is still common knowledge that the administrative assistant/secretary of a CEO pays a higher percentage of taxes. They do not have the loopholes that are afforded a CEO of a large corporation. It is a myth that millionaires/billionaires pay a rate of appx. 35%. After exemptions/loopholes, they average paying 18%. In the super-committee that just failed the Democrats wanted to lower the high end rate, but get rid of the loopholes. The Republicans said no because they are up Grover's butt and Grover said that getting rid of loopholes is the same as raising taxes.
Funny how people put "Support Our Troops" bumper stickers on their cars, but if the government asked them to pay 2% more in taxes, they say, hell no! And one of the reasons we are in this CF is because the last President started 2 unfunded wars and unfunded Medicare prescription plan AND lowered taxes. Good God! So, please don't blame THIS President for the hole we are in. Makes me sick how all the sudden the GOP has found this new "fiscal responsibility" religion and on top of that act like they are pro's at it! PLLLEEEAAASSSSEEEE!
It is in the best interest of government to keep the citizens divided. A divided citizenry cannot police its government so we tend to wind up with a 2- or multi-party system. Whatever you may believe, your enemy is not the Democrats or the Republicans, specifically, but the government itself. Parties simply foment chaos where none would otherwise exist.
I am saddened my fellow Countrymen are unable to see the great Evil they perpetuate by contributing to this division among us.
If any of you is actually serious about finding a solution to our Nation's problems, read 2 Chronicles 7:14. Therein lies THE SOLUTION, and there is no other. Put YOUR house in order and stop worrying about everyone else's; trust God to take care of them in His time.
Until this happens we will continue to elect the likes of Bush, Clinton, Obama etc. and we'll be getting exactly what we deserve.
Blessings to all, and Happy Thanksgiving.
Geezus. And again it turns out that just about every last thing Patriot types is factually and provably wrong.
Is there any chance that Patriot will admit he's wrong when confronted with undeniable facts proving he's wrong? I'm guessing he'll ignore that he was wrong and type some new thing that he will be proven wrong about.
Good work Ed.
motorpoodle, he will never admit to the possibility of being wrong, after all, he is so much better than the rest of us. (or did you miss his swagger?) If you want to have some fun, though, sneak up behind him and yell as loud as you can: "Zeig!". You know how he will respond, just like all good Republican'ts...
Let's give a big round of applause for Ed. Thank you Ed for taking the time to get the FACTS on this blog. Totally refreshing. I would do more research, but I have been super busy with the Grand-babies. Happy Thanksgiving to ALL!
look up , if you are a beleiver in God and his Son, Jesus. ,for these things are coming to pass,and your redeemtion draweth nye.
The tenet of the cartoon is correct. As a teacher, I was a member of a union. A union that did nothing in the name of children, but were constantly negotiating to better themselves and attain less accountability. I was elected the president of our local union with the intent of improving the lot for children. When my agenda came to light, there was such a furor that I was forced to resign. Frankly, I am a "patriot" and a Christian and as such my allegiance is not to the White House or who occupies it, my allegiance is to the God who created all things that I enjoy. If that offends someone, I offer no apologies. I also served in the defense of our country and was stationed in areas that do not enjoy the freedoms we do. Though you won't think much of my opinion, I do not want in the United States of America what I saw in those countries. Though, I voted for him, I know that Bush made a lot of mistakes. So have I and all of you, but we need not dwell on the past, we must look forward to a more positive future. It matters not to me who is elected since my God said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." I was eight when this cartoon was made and at seventy-one, it looks just like the front page of todays newspaper. This life is a learning experience and we had better learn for the benefit of our children and grandchildren. A better world begins with me.
Happy Pappy, sharing a script with Patriot55?
It appears that John Q Public was a little smarter back then....
I think the union guy ended up going back and buying the entire supply of ism.....
It is simply amazing how close the snake oil salesman is in looks to Obama ...
Wonder if Ayn Rand helped out with this one for the kids? Course, almost half the adults wouldn't understand it anyway?
In Australia , there is a law where u have to vote or you are fined a large amount of money. It would be great to have a law like that in the United States of America, and get rid of the electoral college nonsense. If everyone was forced to vote I think America would be a lot different, people would actually believe that their voices are being heard. Elections wouldn't be about what state has the highest electoral votes but how many popular votes. This country would still be #1 in the world if all our jobs weren't over seas and we had all our freedoms, like the one to privacy that was just taken away in the name of security. The America people, no matter what race, religion, or how much you make, we all need to come together as Americans and demand our freedom back. Enough is enough, we can no longer let our government scare us into giving up our rights and freedoms because they think its necessary. On election day 2012 is our day to all vote as one and take back America. Restore it to the great country it was once. No longer should we have to live from pay to pay check, not being able to give ourselves and our children the lives they deserve. We need stand up and scream till we are all blue in the face and say "WE WILL NO LONGER LIVE IN FEAR. WE WILL NO LONGER FEEL LIKE OUR VOICES DON'T COUNT. WE WANT JOBS THAT PAY WELL, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN PRIVACY, AND WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK. NO MORE LIES, NO MORE GIVING TO THE RICH AND STEALING FROM THE MIDDLE OR LOWER INCOME AMERICAN. WE REFUSE TO LIVE THIS WAY!!!
Megznyc - I hear ya. REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT AND GET RID OF THE BUSH TAX CUTS!
This Cartoon thread has been way too long and full of jingoisms... Way too boaring for my interest.
Okay Ed, who owns Berkshire-Hathaway?
http://useconomy.about.com/od/people/p/Warren-Buffett.htm The Loop-hole he is using to avoid paying taxes each year, his money goes into stocks, money markets, bonds, and trades in China, he will not be taxed until he cashes out or withdraws. His accountants are a pure geniuses!
" We in the enlightened" Give me a freaking break! then you write this " By the way, it's not Buffet suing the IRS, it's one of the corporations Berkshire-Hathaway owns" and who is the chairman and CEO...it's Warren Buffett, so who approves the lawsuit. Perhaps it is you who should quit with the hallucinations and denial. It is not the responsibility for the Government to create jobs, it is up the President to create the conditions for job creation, or are you not enlighten enough to know something that simple, Ed. We cannot improve with only Union and Green Jobs (which continue to fail).
By the way, have you seen this yet: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2011-06-14/html/2011-14919.htm this is going to be trouble, locate the actual Bill and read it throughout.
To: Megznyc
You are exactly correct. The electoral college should have been abolished decades ago. The electoral college prohibits our votes from being counted. It shouldn't matter what state you are from, each of the citizens of that state should count as one vote and that way each individual's vote actually means each and everyone of us is part of the election. I haven't heard one good argument that supports the proposition that we should keep the electoral college. Kudos!
Warren Buffet claims he pays only 18% Tax rate
Let see if I have this right. He owns a large chunk of Berkshire which pays 35% tax rate.
Then he pays 18% on whatever his take home is from Berkshire.
That why Cap Gains is double Taxation. (Imagine if Berkshire were structured as a Partnership!!)
He ends up Paying 47% tax rate!
Now that's only Federal. So stop saying we should raise taxes! We should lower them across the board to stimulate and "maintain" growth!
ALL our previous leaders since 1913 have been corrupted by the bankers and CFR One-World Government and Mega corporation plotters who pull the strings of Congress and the President. They are the supposedly Democrat and Republican CONgressmen who play us in the Left-right voting game chosen to enslave us all with the LIES meant and make us fight a pointless battle of who is less wrong while voting for a "lesser evil". YOUR PARTY IS LYING TO YOU! BOTH sides have unconstitutionally increased the size, scope and power of government for the last 90+ years thru their LIES in the media they control for "supposedly good reasons". As government power increases (as it has during EVERY administration- YES even Reagans) OUR power (over our own lives) decreases! Vote ONLY for Ron Paul and small government Libertarian candidates to re-take our freedom lost to Big (communist) government!!!
**In 2003, capital gains tax rates were reduced. Rather than expand by 36% as the Congressional Budget Office projected before the tax cut, capital gains revenues more than doubled to $103 billion.
**The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs, followed by 5 million jobs in the next seven quarters.
**The CBO incorrectly calculated that the post-March 2003 tax cuts would lower 2006 revenues by $75 billion. Revenues for 2006 came in $47 billion above the pre-tax cut baseline.
Here’s what else happened after the 2003 tax cuts lowered the rates on income, capital gains and dividend taxes:
GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1%.
The S&P 500 dropped 18% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts but increased by 32% over the next six quarters.
The timing of the lower tax rates coincides almost exactly with the stark acceleration in the economy. Nor was this experience unique. The famous Clinton economic boom began when Congress passed legislation cutting spending and cutting the capital gains tax rate.
Those are the facts. That’s not what you hear in the media, but they are the facts.
Now this: A teacher in Pa. Middle School, was teaching her class (each period) about a new Theme and Christmas Play, then as she began, she told the class this..."But little did Santa know that was far and beyond was a steady drumbeat...yes a movement was swelling and the masses were organizing and the dispossessed were fining their strength and their voices and their power to declare 'we are one, and we are not going to take this anymore. Occupy North Pole was born. Then it showed some students rehearsing with a Santa leading the Occupy dance.
While on the subject, have you heard of the SEIU's new job hiring (this is NOT a joke), and training the hired applicants how to Occupy and organize people on how to Occupy Private Businesses, local Government buildings, Tea Party meetings and rallies by claiming they are with the Tea Party, RNC meetings, Republican House and Senate personal homes during the Holidays Presidential Speeches and Debates, wealthy people, and how to avoid getting arrested. Sickneing!!!...cont.
**In 2003, capital gains tax rates were reduced. Rather than expand by 36% as the Congressional Budget Office projected before the tax cut, capital gains revenues more than doubled to $103 billion.
**The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs, followed by 5 million jobs in the next seven quarters.
**The CBO incorrectly calculated that the post-March 2003 tax cuts would lower 2006 revenues by $75 billion. Revenues for 2006 came in $47 billion above the pre-tax cut baseline.
Here’s what else happened after the 2003 tax cuts lowered the rates on income, capital gains and dividend taxes:
GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1%.
The S&P 500 dropped 18% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts but increased by 32% over the next six quarters.
The timing of the lower tax rates coincides almost exactly with the stark acceleration in the economy. Nor was this experience unique. The famous Clinton economic boom began when Congress passed legislation cutting spending and cutting the capital gains tax rate.
Those are the facts. That’s not what you hear in the media, but they are the facts.
A teacher in Pa. Middle School, was teaching her class (each period) about a new Theme and Christmas Play, then as she began , she told the class this..."But little did Santa know that was far and beyond was a steady drumbeat...yes a movement was swelling and the masses were organizing and the dispossessed were fining their strength and their voices and their power to declare 'we are one, and we are not going to take this anymore. Occupy North Pole was born. Then it showed some students rehearsing with a Santa leading the Occupy dance.
While on the subject, have you heard of the SEIU's new job hiring (this is NOT a joke), and training the hired applicants how to Occupy and organize people on how to Occupy Private Businesses, local Government buildings, Tea Party meetings and rallies by claiming they are with the Tea Party, RNC meetings, Republican House and Senate personal homes during the Holidays Presidential Speeches and Debates, wealthy people, and how to avoid getting arrested. The whole country is falling apart under this Prez!
Sorry for the doulbe post, this shoud have been the beginning:
Reagan and Bush 43 vs. Obama on the Economy
In 1980, President Carter and his supporters in the Congress and news media asked, “how can we afford” presidential candidate Ronald Reagan’s proposed tax cuts?
Mr. Reagan’s critics claimed the tax cuts would lead to more inflation and higher interest rates, while Mr. Reagan said tax cuts would lead to more economic growth and higher living standards. What happened? Inflation fell from 12.5 percent in 1980 to 3.9 percent in 1984, interest rates fell, and economic growth went from minus 0.2 percent in 1980 to plus 7.3 percent in 1984, and Mr. Reagan was re-elected in a landslide.
Despite the fact that federal revenues have varied little (as a percentage of GDP) over the last 40years, there has been an enormous variation in top tax rates. When Ronald Reagan took office, the top individual tax rate was 70 percent and by 1986 it was down to only 28 percent. All Americans received at least a 30 percent tax rate cut; yet federal tax revenues as a percent of GDP were almost unchanged during the Reagan presidency (from 18.9 percent in 1980 to 18.1 percent in 1988).
What did change, however, was the rate of economic growth, which was more than 50 percent higher for the seven years after the Reagan tax cuts compared with the previous seven years. This increase in economic growth, plus some reductions in tax credits and deductions, almost entirely offset the effect of the rate reductions. Rapid economic growth, unlike government spending programs, proved to be the most effective way to reduce unemployment and poverty, and create opportunity for the disadvantaged.
After Bush took office of President Bush signed the first wave of tax cuts in 2001, cutting rates and providing tax relief for families by, for example, doubling of the child tax credit to $1,000.
At Congress’ insistence, the tax relief was initially phased in over many years, so the economy continued to lose jobs. In 2003, the Speaker of the House (Newt Gingrich), Congress made Bush's earlier tax relief was put into place effective immediately. Congress also lowered tax rates on capital gains and dividends to encourage business investment, which had been lagging.
It was the then that the economy turned around. Within months of enactment, job growth shot up, eventually creating 8.1 million jobs through 2007. Tax revenues also increased after the Bush tax cuts, due to economic growth.
@Patriot - You had to go and type a bunch of misinformation again.
"Here’s what else happened after the 2003 tax cuts lowered the rates on income, capital gains and dividend taxes:"
Yeah, here's what actually happened:
The tax cuts were a failure in every conceivable way.
The cuts failed to spur growth. The cuts also increased the budget deficit, shifted the tax burden from the rich to the middle and working classes, and further increased already high levels of income inequality.
"**The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs"
In reality Bush had the lowest job creation numbers of any president in recent history.
"GDP grew at an annual rate of just 1.7% in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the six quarters following the tax cuts, the growth rate was 4.1%."
As you can see here GDP actually fell steadily from 2005 on until 2009.
"The timing of the lower tax rates coincides almost exactly with the stark acceleration in the economy."
Bush crashed the economy and the tax cuts ballooned the deficit.
"Those are the facts. That’s not what you hear in the media, but they are the facts"
You won't hear them because they're lies you made up.
"yes a movement was swelling and the masses were organizing and the dispossessed were fining their strength and their voices and their power to declare 'we are one, and we are not going to take this anymore. Occupy North Pole was born."
Sounds awesome. I hope that one is true. Not even going to look.
"have you heard of the SEIU's new job hiring (this is NOT a joke), and training the hired applicants how to Occupy and organize people on how to Occupy Private Businesses, local Government buildings, Tea Party meetings and rallies by claiming they are with the Tea Party, RNC meetings, Republican House and Senate personal homes during the Holidays Presidential Speeches and Debates, wealthy people, and how to avoid getting arrested"
You made that one up too. There's not even a search result for that one. I've heard other liars try and say other groups they don't like are doing this but it's all a lie. You should be ashamed.
Interesting to read the comments...many are completely missing the point. "Liberty or death" (Patrick Henry) or "Live free or die" (the cry of Washington's troops crossing the Delaware River at night in a snow storm and the New Hampshire state motto) seems to have little meaning to these people...until it's too late. The Declaration of Independence states that we are "...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[74] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The constitution recognizes these unalienable rights, which include freedom of opportunity ("...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."), but not a guarantee of equal outcomes. One comment mentioned McCarthyism (yes, another ism), but the open discourse of ideas is anti-McCarthyism...let's call it democracy with freedom of speech, so yes, I would defend the right to say it but disagree altogether. Though I am not one of them, even if someone found the stated source of these rights objectionable certainly the rights themselves could be agreed upon by reasonable people.
Some say the measure of a just or civilized society is how those in the lowest state are provided for, in other words the safety net effect. I think this is true to an extent, but trying to achieve the same level regardless of skill or effort simply means widespread mediocrity. I do believe everyone deserves a fair opportunity and support that aspect of policy to address discrimination and punish unfair influence peddling, both of which are problems at opposite ends of the wealth and political spectrum. That said, in the creation of a societal safety net we should be aware of the inefficiency built into this transfer of resources, which is nicely summed up by Okun's Leaky Bucket analogy explained in the following article: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=2309 It needs to be taken seriously and those tending to the left don't seem to want to acknowledge it nor the coercive nature of government control. The real political difficulty is in determining a reasonable and efficient point along the spectrum of creating the safety net and "fair" opportunity to no transfer of resources or safety net at all. Congress is pretty good at choosing the worst and most inefficient means; the size of the waste is staggering and seems intractable without some pretty radical reinvention likely requiring bipartisan statesmanship, a trait less than uncommon in those who "represent" us. In far fewer words and far greater wisdom:
A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.
Thomas Jefferson
All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
Thomas Jefferson
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Motormouth, while pointing out the flaws in someone else's post it would be good not to propagate your own.
"Bush crashed the economy...."
I seem to remember an event on 9/11/2001 that cause the entire market to crash and has not fully recovered since. That seems to be difficult to overlook. The cuts had the same intention as the stimulus and neither have worked very well.
"The cuts failed to spur growth. The cuts also increased the budget deficit, shifted the tax burden from the rich to the middle and working classes, and further increased already high levels of income inequality."
Since NO taxes on income were increased this did not SHIFT a burden to anyone other than the ENTIRE next generation. Revenue did not actually decrease, but increases in spending widened the deficit.
I seem to remember an event on 9/11/2001 that cause the entire market to crash and has not fully recovered since. That seems to be difficult to overlook. The cuts had the same intention as the stimulus and neither have worked very well.
That's the problem with memory -- it fails you when you need it.
The economy recovered well from 2001. The housing bubble crash seven years later was much bigger, and took the economy down much farther and harder, and was the result of inadequate regulation from several different agencies, mostly under Bush's jurisdiction.
Dear Ed,
First let me say have a great holiday!
The market is still struggling to stay above 12,000 while in 2001 it was above 14,000, so to say we have recovered well from that event seems a stretch. Regarding the housing market crash, are you suggesting that Bush policies created the sub-prime mortgage lending that lead to the collapse? Gee, I think the record will show others involved in that debacle.
Wishing you and everyone a happy and more prosperous New Year!
A clarification in () and an addition at the end regarding housing.
Dear Ed,
First let me say have a great holiday!
The market is still struggling to stay above 12,000 while in 2001 it was above 14,000 (real or inflation adjusted - the 2007 high of 14k was still below the adjusted 2001 high), so to say we have recovered well from that event seems a stretch. Regarding the housing market crash, are you suggesting that Bush policies created the sub-prime mortgage lending that lead to the collapse? Gee, I think the record will show others involved in that debacle.
Wishing you and everyone a happy and more prosperous New Year!
Both crashes were disastrous...but listen to Barney explain it all....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE
Motor...
Not to get overly picky here...I'm sure this is what you meant...the graph you reference is % growth in GDP, which was lower in the time frame you site, but the GDP did grow not decline as you state, it just grew at a lower growth rate.
"As you can see here GDP actually fell steadily from 2005 on until 2009."
I'm not necessarily being critical of a democratic view because I'm concerned about policies in both parties, so what problems do you see with a balanced budget amendment (a problem from both the left and the right)? Why do we subsidize industries that are not market failures (or any tax expenditures for that matter - why muck up the code)? Why do we have to accept a Dept of Energy whose purpose was to make us independent of foreign energy sources starting in the 70's, yet doesn't allow domestic development? Why can't the right accept responsibility to adopt sustainability at the same time we transition to better energy sources and lifestyles? Why not figure out a way to make it economically feasible and profitable? There is money to be made in doing so.
It seems senseless to argue the past (understand it, yes), without reaching toward our collective future. There is a legitimate role for government to play in this, but how do we go from "I win, you lose" to "win-win" for the sake of the generations to come? What we are doing now insures that the great experiment that is America will shine ever so brightly for a couple hundred years or so, then fade into the background. I am hopeful that somehow the best of both sides of the political spectrum realize that "mutually assured destruction" is an insane domestic policy.
Politics has always been a rough game, but let's try to focus on how to move the nation forward. Sustainability extends to government policy...we are in it for the long haul.
Blessings to all...as you tell why I'm wrong! ; )
As I read some of the comments I notice that the quote in the cartoon... "When anybody preaches dis-unity, pits us against each other through class warfare, race hatred or religious intolerance, they seek to rob us of our freedom", seems to still work today. I read so many statements from people who buy into one party or another and place blame on the other party.
This is the playbook that many politician use to get elected. We as "John Q. Public" can reverse this trend. Vote in candidates who promote unity, love,
tolerance, freedom… and mean it!
You have a good point Allen.
Know of any presidential candidates that promote unity right now?
Only Obama promotes unity, and too often that seems just a reference to his historical position that there's no great reason to fight to make government work; sadly, each of his efforts to talk with or work with Republicans has been rebuffed, often with disastrous results from the Republicans' actions (lower credit rating, anyone?).
I remain hopeful that things can get better. Sadly, at almost every turn, Republicans appear bent on destroying our Republic.
Motor and Ed, you guys have to be joking...Right? Yeah, Obama promotes Unity, although not for Americans, unless they are One World Socialists. Other than a few other presidents (Wilson, FDR, LBJ and others who followed their belief systems), there was only about a handful of difference, in fact I voted for JFK. Those whom I mention above and a few others were OWG theorists, which is where we are now heading again, but so much farther this time around.
When Henry Ford was alive, his foundation was a good one, helping many get into schools, helping the poor, he paid to have setup shelters, back then the Shelters were very nice and well stocked with food and beds...It has turned into something dangerous to this country, as has the Carnegie Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, and there are many newer ones, such as the Tides Foundation. Today they are still doing the same. However in 1913 (under Woodrow Wilson)something else was going on, something almost as bad as George Bernard Shaw's pro-Eugenics stance.
Obama has become more and more "Go-It -Alone" (according to one of his strategists) strategy again bypassing the House, this time the Senate, For a president to make a Recess Appointment, the House must be out of session for more than 10 days, the Senate no longer than 3 days. To avoid recess appointments, the Senate Republicans have been re-convening the Senate EVER 3 Days, the appointment of Cordray was unconstitutional anyway anyone looks at this. You cannot legally say that Republicans are holding your visions up, by doing the will of the people and get away with doing so...
As for unemployment has ONLY dropped to 8.5% for one reason, and one reason only, it is not the Creation of Jobs, it is the fact that after 2 years of those being on unemployment are now dropping off the rolls at an average of 350 to 400 per day. I have always believed that was the most ignorant way of keeping unemployment numbers (how many new people sign up) first of all, many are too proud to sign up for handouts, yet he most important fact is, there are almost 15 million still unemployed today. This is more that it was while the figure was at 9%. I am of the belief that we do indeed need a bill on Fairness in the Media, who rarely if even tell the other side of any story on Obama or his cohorts. Even on Fox News (the actual New Shows, not opinion based programs) BOTH sides are not only represented, but the stories themselves tell both sides from Democrat and Republican points of view.
During his campaign in 2008, Obama railed against the Patriot Act, Closing Gitmo, ending both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to end 'Sighing Statements' to end recess appointees, Obama has expanded all of these and more. All you have to do to see watch or listen to his campaign promises (Others include, never borrowing from China, to explicitly follow the Constitution more than any president before him, never to use the Federal Reserve to create money we do not have, his complete disregard for the U.S. Code (out basic Laws of the Land) is in violation of many of these laws.
The 14th Amendment must be stricken, there are no longer any true Black Slaves as in was in 1868 when the law was written. "The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868-9 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. It was written in a manner so as to prevent state governments (Held by Democrats) from ever denying citizenship to blacks born in the United States." Which party was responsible for enacting the 14th Amendment? The 39th Congress with Republicans in power.
Recently when the House approved the NDAA Bill which originated in the Senate, as usual it was sent to Lawmakers who approved it , only to later find out two sections were added after the signing, Sections 1301 and 1302. These were NOT in the Bill the House signed off on!
Freddie Mac/Mae last year was given $14 Billion bailout (somewhere north of $145 Billion Dollars total) now trying to place them under the Federal Reserve, and why? Obama has just cut the Defense budget in half (leaving us as weak as a third world country), and used the money to increase Welfare!!!
I am of the belief that Obama, Holder and a bevy of many others in the Administration are corrupt and not acting in the best interests of the United States of America. These are the ones destroying our Republic.
Patriot - You state: Obama has just cut the Defense budget in half (leaving us as weak as a third world country), and used the money to increase Welfare!!!
Thank you President Obama for cutting the defense spending in half. Our defense budget is more inflated than the next dozens or so of the next industrialized countries in the world combined. The defense budget is so out of control they can't even audit it. It makes me want to puke when the right wing nuts bash President Obama for out of control spending, but have no problem spending trillions on needless wars and making sure the military industrial complex is as bloated as a stuffed pig. It is a myth that we think that if we spend the most on the DOD, we are superior than our enemies. Biggest joke of century! All these pro-life Republicans have no problem slaughtering our own troops for no reason.. Hypocrits to the extreme!
As one reviews the history of how our government works we must approach the issues in a logical fashion. What do we want, How do we pay for it. What is the cost. and is it attainable.
Under the old system as described in this film, 80% of all bills were paid by the middle class. Under the new system, as proposed in the last 12 years, the middle class is much smaller and poorer. So, we must cut back on all services, and cheapen our costs for food and other essentials. We must also tax the remaining productive people to run the system. If the middle class is defunct who will be paying? Jepthah
You missed the news this past year? The big cuts in Defense were required by the Republicans in exchange for the debt ceiling increase.
Don't blame Obama for Tea Party shenanigans.
Especially don't blame Obama when you supported the shenanigans and opposed Obama's trying to stop the draconian action.
Can you explain why the U.S. has to have a military structure that costs more than all the militaries of the next highest 15 nations combined?
I think your complaint against Obama is entirely misplaced, and that it shows as a hypocrite who is not very well informed on the topic.
First things first, Ed...I am not a Tea Party supporter, I did not make the deal with for the House, although I do believe we should have stopped lending him money, he will just waste in on Crony Capitalism, nor am I in favor with the proposed new debt limit where Obama "needs?" another $1.2 Trillion (just for the rest of the year)!!! Would you pay a Plumber who destroyed your home? - This takes care of your first two invalid points.
We have the largest Military (in money only, Russia and China only pay what they want to pay) or have you not figured that one out yet? In return you tell me why China has the F-22 Raptor flying, and ours has yet to be put in service? And where did they get the Technology, Obama hasn't had time to lose one of those, since we have yet to fly one outside of the continental U.S.!
What you didn't answer was, why did Obama go against the Constitution to appoint a Recess Appointment when Congress was in session? I believe his remark was, " He tends to lay blame at the feet of the House, when they are only doing what we ask them to do a Representative Government, , just as the Democrats do for their voters, it's just not his to Country to play around with! Or didn't you read what I quoted from his mantra of the 2008 campaign about never doing Recess Appointments while he criticized Bush for the same. At least Bush did not have full time Czars, his filled a temp position till he could get someone in there who could pass both houses.
The Government could learn quite a lot from responsible Americans, who never spend money they do not have. We paid off our mortgage early (now it's underwater), not a single credit card with a balance on them, checking and debit card are balanced. If we cannot afford something, we do not buy it anyway, savings are saved. Aways paid more into SSI than required. After I retired, I didn't sign up for SSI, I am living off my retirement from a Private Company, as part of my retirement package, my Medical Insurance is paid for (till I pass away). Many years ago, we did away with customary Holidays (religious Holidays), those were based on the persons practicing religion. Muslims took Ramadan, Jews took Hanukkah, Christians and converts took off Christmas, Buddhists, Hindu, Chinese, and so on, it was worked out to where everyone had the same amount of time off (except Ramadan) most of us could not take that much time off, nor did we mind.
As a matter of fact, you did not address over half of what I spoke of, I'll admit Bush had some flaws, although you and Obama will not!
But then again, I do not subscribe to Obama's Ineptrocrocy [in-ept-o-c'-ra-cy] - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
This is what I expect from our Government, "Responsibility"!
MISSISSIPPI JOE
I wish God had made us all color blind. Maybe if we saw ever one in black and white we could look at each other different. I was born and raised in the South and I love all folks as GOD's children not some one that was sent here just to make trouble for each other. If we could take the words black and white from the language when describing a human being then the world would be a much better place to raise our children. God did not make us in Grades of humans like we make Gasoline for our cars today. It all will burn in all cars unless we go out of our way to add something to ours to make it other than what was intended in the beginning . So if we had trouble with it being compatible it is our fault not someone else's. Let us each love those that we don't like are care for then will we show true love and then will we be able to receive love from the only one we should fear of not giving us love. I love each one of you so please try to love me in return.
some of you should bone up on your history,if you can't see whats going on now it will be too late to correct it later.
@Bob, Hope? You have to be kidding us. Need I remind you it was Obama that ran on the "Change" banner. Correction of what Bob? Capitalism? The only correction Obama and the Demo led Senate has accomplished is a larger growth of our deficit and more loss of our freedoms. The Government can legally detain and imprison any American now without proper jurisprudence. Take your correction & hope and shove it!!
how come nobody is talking about Ron Paul on this Blog. He's America's only hope for a free society!
I'm Canadian and even I know how important the constitution is!!!
Come on People!
When are Americans going to lay down the Democrat or Republican banners and realize that government is the problem not the solution? You think the government on either side is here to help you? Really?
To the individuals who make statements that the United States was not founded upon Christian values I believe your wrong. And for the individual who said Jewish values were a large part of our beginning I have this to ask. Is Christian values even taken into consideration in Israel ? And before you say I am a anti-Semite, my grandmother was Jewish and all her entire family died at Auschwitz. And no I am not Jewish, I am Christian and proud to be. I have Jewish friends and even Muslim friends so don't try placing the race or ethnic card on me it won't work.
abFTA SATELLITE, what was your point, beside bragging about yourself? There were a multitude of beleifs held by the founders-stop being a paranoid little Christian.
To the individuals who make statements that the United States was not founded upon Christian values I believe your wrong.
We're not. We have the facts on our side. Facts always trump belief. Check out Jefferson's writings -- especially the Declaration of Independence, and Notes on the State of Virginia, and Virginia's Statute for Religious Freedom.
And for the individual who said Jewish values were a large part of our beginning I have this to ask. Is Christian values even taken into consideration in Israel ?
Yes, but Israel is beside the point. We're talking about the USA.
Don't try to distract yourself with shiny objects.
And before you say I am a anti-Semite, my grandmother was Jewish and all her entire family died at Auschwitz. And no I am not Jewish, I am Christian and proud to be. I have Jewish friends and even Muslim friends so don't try placing the race or ethnic card on me it won't work.
You'd do really well to check up on what Jefferson wrote about who gets religious freedom in America:
The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason and right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally passed; and a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read, “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mahometan, the Hindoo, and the Infidel of every denomination.
(Life and Selected Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Modern Library 1993 edition, pp. 45 and 46.)
If you really think is not far-fetched, see the official, U.S. government line -- and don't be a sucker!
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/u-s-government-propaganda-circa-1943-dont-be-a-sucker/
Thank you again Ed for bringing FACTS in to the equation on this blog. We are a nation of many religions and beliefs and if anyone thinks that their beliefs are superior, they are very wrong. That is the attitude that gets us in trouble. Like needless wars and just general hate. Keep religion out of politics. It is a personal thing.
@FTA SATELLITE, in answer to your question, "Is Christian values even taken into consideration in Israel?"
Yes they are, in fact Jewish and Christians both hold the Book of David as one of the most important, which can also be found in the Torah. Both religions believe in the same God. In all the years I spent traveling an working around the world, going to Israel many times, not a surprise was how many places they have for Christians to practice their faith, as well as allowing a Christians to visit/attend in the Jewish Synagogues. I have done the same here in the U.S. and have always been welcomed. The important thing is, there is absolutely any push to convert, the Rabbi will come to you and shake your hand, thank you for attending. The ONLY time I have seen Christians speak ill of the Jews are in some (nowhere near all) Baptist Churches who at one time were all Democrats, or as they even called themselves "Yellow Dog Democrat", meaning they would vote for a Democrat regardless of any other parties beliefs. I clearly remember my Grandfather watching a Debate on Television and saying of the Republican, "you know I must admit, he makes many good points, but I just cannot bring myself vote for anyone other than a Democrat." Most all Blacks were Republicans up until the mid to late 1960's when Democrats realized their value as a voting bloc which needed to be tapped into, LBJ saw that and there it began.
Martin Luther King was a strong Republican, he remembered what is was like under Democrat rule. As a matter of fact, Republicans still are, rather than 'giving them welfare when they could work, now this Democratic social reconstruction by making everything free, thus holding them back so they will depend on Government for all they need, and thus vote for them, is heartless, wrong, and using them as a game is disgusting. Whereas the Republicans try to help them get on their feet, allowing them to have something to be proud of...accomplishment, taking responsibilities as Fathers, restoring family values, a child with two parents will always fare better. Such as going to school, on to higher education, becoming Businessmen, CEO's, Politicians. But especially helping their own to succeed and get out of the stereotyping used by Democrats.
One Party, One Nation, One Religion - The Nazi Parties Educational Teaching in Universities during Hitler's run.
@Ed, the phrase "...endowed by their Creator..." was meant to all inclusive of differing religions, not just Christian, had there been anything other than 'not just Christian" it would have read, "...endowed by God" it doesn't, which is why it says Creator.
All too often you inject the authors meaning to be your own, when you said: "Yes, but Israel is beside the point. We're talking about the USA. Don't try to distract yourself with shiny objects."IS not" what he meant and you should have known better, he is allowed to speak his mind, it was a perfectly good point.
The very fact of you, (and I never thought I would see it from you) quoting Thomas Jefferson, perhaps one of my favorite Founders, simply floored me I have to admit. I had no need to question your source, I had read it long before in the "Federalist Papers", the book is a long exhausting read, but wholly fascinating through and though. It is a book which should be mandatory reading for every single college first semester student in this country.
I cannot understand why documented actual Black History has been left out of our schools, their contributions to this nation are no longer there. There are no mention of what they did to help win the Revolutionary war against England, no mention of Black Congressmen after the formation of our government, not a word of it is there any longer. If you are interested in what was taken out, give this a read, "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White" by David Barton.
As to the short film, "Don't be a sucker" I have seen several times over the years, in fact I have a copy of it saved on two external drives which much of what I want to keep has been backed up to an online account I hold. I have posted it to a few Republican web sites, we all still believe in its message, not to mention emailed it to a few Congressmen/Women, two Senators, in which I received some very nice thanks.
It mirrors much of what O is doing to keep our country divided, class warfare, pitting people against one another, praising the Occupy Movement... I am sure you see it another way, but that is your opinion to express. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my check book or credit cards, everything is in balance and paid off, whereas he cannot stop spending, and nothing to show for any of his spending. Government can only create more government jobs, real jobs come from the private sector and no way is he going to give them a chance like Reagan did after inheriting Carter's mess (much worse than Bush).
I suppose quite a lot of his ideas came from the outright king of Community Organizing, the man who created such is none other than Saul Alinsky, who's portrait hangs in the White House (old news, but important to keep bringing it up). Or did you even know Alinsky was the creator of "Community Organizing"? I guess not...this is why I read everything on all sides of the political spectrum, he even goes so far as to do a "How To guide". Just as Obama points out in his book, "The Audacity of Hope" also mentioned in "Dreams of my Father", where he speaks of making it a point to seek out dissidents, Socialists, Marxists, and Communists. Although there is still doubt if he was ever involved with the SDS, but he was in favor of the movement, as he says in his book.
Even George Soros is warning people that the Occupy Movement will turn violent in the coming days, weeks, or months, he says to unleash the NDAA changes.
Much more on Soros here: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/george_soros/index.html#
If Prescott Bush was still around, he should have been flogged in public and possibly imprisoned when he granted Soros asylum in the U.S. after the was released from prison in France, to quote Soros regarding the EU and the U.S. Occupy movement:
Has the great short seller gone soft? Well, yes. Sitting in his 33rd-floor corner office high above Seventh Avenue in New York, preparing for his trip to Davos, he is more concerned with surviving than staying rich. “At times like these, survival is the most important thing,” he says, peering through his owlish glasses and brushing wisps of gray hair off his forehead. He doesn’t just mean it’s time to protect your assets. He means it’s time to stave off disaster. As he sees it, the world faces one of the most dangerous periods of modern history—a period of “evil.”
Europe is confronting a descent into chaos and conflict. In America he predicts riots on the streets that will lead to a brutal clampdown that will dramatically curtail civil liberties. The global economic system could even collapse altogether.
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“I am not here to cheer you up. The situation is about as serious and difficult as I’ve experienced in my career,” Soros tells Newsweek. “We are facing an extremely difficult time, comparable in many ways to the 1930s, the Great Depression. We are facing now a general retrenchment in the developed world, which threatens to put us in a decade of more stagnation, or worse. The best-case scenario is a deflationary environment. The worst-case scenario is a collapse of the financial system.”
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Soros draws on his past to argue that the global economic crisis is as significant, and unpredictable, as the end of communism. “The collapse of the Soviet system was a pretty extraordinary event, and we are currently experiencing something similar in the developed world, without fully realizing what’s happening.”
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As anger rises, riots on the streets of American cities are inevitable.“Yes, yes, yes,” he says, almost gleefully. The response to the unrest could be more damaging than the violence itself. “It will be an excuse for cracking down and using strong-arm tactics to maintain law and order, which, carried to an extreme, could bring about a repressive political system, a society where individual liberty is much more constrained, which would be a break with the tradition of the United States.”
Source: http://occupycorporatism.com/?category_nae=occupy-wall-st and here: http://rt.com/usa/news/george-soros-class-war-619/
Moses, the human arm of G-d, fought the devils advocate to enforce G-d's will of all men are free.
Freedom is NOT free.
Worldwide efforts are proving our efforts to help our fellow man with freedom of choice
is being fought by free men and women to ensure G-d's will.
Never ever take a back seat and watch while some despot would take away freedoms.
G-d Bless America
Odd. It's showing almost 2,000 comments on the post, but only 200 here in the comment thread.
All too often you inject the authors meaning to be your own, when you said: "Yes, but Israel is beside the point. We're talking about the USA. Don't try to distract yourself with shiny objects."IS not" what he meant and you should have known better, he is allowed to speak his mind, it was a perfectly good point.
I can't figure out how Israel is on point at all. Can you explain it? Our First Amendment does not cover Israel; Israel has no effect on its protections of religious freedom here. It may be a good point in some other discussion, but it seems way, way off the mark here, to me.
The very fact of you, (and I never thought I would see it from you) quoting Thomas Jefferson, perhaps one of my favorite Founders, simply floored me I have to admit. I had no need to question your source, I had read it long before in the "Federalist Papers", the book is a long exhausting read, but wholly fascinating through and though. It is a book which should be mandatory reading for every single college first semester student in this country.
If you're such a fan of Jefferson's writings, it's rather a tragedy you don't agree with him. Or do you?
I cannot understand why documented actual Black History has been left out of our schools, their contributions to this nation are no longer there. There are no mention of what they did to help win the Revolutionary war against England, no mention of Black Congressmen after the formation of our government, not a word of it is there any longer. If you are interested in what was taken out, give this a read, "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White" by David Barton.
Barton has it wrong. All of those contributions by African Americans are in the textbooks, no thanks to Barton, who campaigned in Texas to keep them out.
He's a slimy one, on history. If he says something should be in the books, he's probably distorting it, if he's not dead wrong (he's notorious for making stuff up about the founders). If he says something is left out of the curriculum, it's because he doesn't know the curriculum. If he criticizes a curriculum, it's generally because he's dead wrong about much of what he claim to be history.
David Barton couldn't pass a Tenderfoot Scout board of review on the first point of the Scout Law alone. You should check out modern texts, sometime.
It mirrors much of what O is doing to keep our country divided, class warfare, pitting people against one another, praising the Occupy Movement... I am sure you see it another way, but that is your opinion to express.
Fighting to create opportunities is not class warfare, it's fighting class warfare. I cannot imagine how anyone could misunderstand Obama's actions and words on these issues, without real malice. Malice toward America, not necessarily malice to Obama.
I wouldn't want him anywhere near my check book or credit cards, everything is in balance and paid off, whereas he cannot stop spending, and nothing to show for any of his spending.
I thought saving our nation was well worth it. You may have a different view, you may have investments in other nations and pray for the destruction of the U.S. -- but for less than 1/3 the cost of Bush's Iraq fiasco, Obama saved our economy. It was a bargain. We should give him a trillion more to get us back on our feet.
Government can only create more government jobs, real jobs come from the private sector and no way is he going to give them a chance like Reagan did after inheriting Carter's mess (much worse than Bush).
As Ben Franklin noted, private enterprise cannot work but for government paving the way. We can't move goods in the U.S. without roads. Your whining that building and repairing roads won't help is only whining, and not accurate.
I suppose quite a lot of his ideas came from the outright king of Community Organizing, the man who created such is none other than Saul Alinsky, who's portrait hangs in the White House (old news, but important to keep bringing it up). Or did you even know Alinsky was the creator of "Community Organizing"?
Alinsky was an organizer, but not the first by a long shot.
Nor does his portrait hang in the White House. Why do you feel a need to tell such fantastic lies?
Alinsky was right that people should organize. So was Baden-Powell a half century earlier, so was Samuel Gompers before that, and the Grange earlier. So was Teddy Roosevelt.
But then, people know who they were, and there is little doubt about their patriotic tendencies. You pick an obscure guy because you think people would know others, and you wish to hide the fact that organizing is what makes America work.
Barnum may have been right, but honorable people put faith in the ability of Americans to get things right, when they have the facts.
I guess not...this is why I read everything on all sides of the political spectrum, he even goes so far as to do a "How To guide". Just as Obama points out in his book, "The Audacity of Hope" also mentioned in "Dreams of my Father", where he speaks of making it a point to seek out dissidents, Socialists, Marxists, and Communists. Although there is still doubt if he was ever involved with the SDS, but he was in favor of the movement, as he says in his book.
SDS predates Obama a lot. Obama was not organizing against Vietnam in third grade, as you suggest. SDS did not exist by the time Obama got to college.
Obama is a striking affirmation of the SDS position that the racism inherent in the work of William Shockley, Richard Herrnstein and Arthur Jensesn is wrong -- but again, Obama got to college and great intellectual achievement years after SDS had died.
Of course Obama is opposed to racism. Don't sound surprised.
It's funny to see the cartoon's heavy-handed fearmongering and scare tactics from 1948 - this propaganda led to the witch hunt era of Joe McCarthy - one of the darkest times in American history. Recently, special interests tried to use the same scare tactics of distortions and lies (remember the "death panel" and the "birther" hoaxes?) to manipulate the poorly-informed middle class (John Q. Public in the cartoon) - and the next thing we saw was the spectacle of enraged, misinformed people hopping up and down with misspelled signs. In 1948, the top tax rate was 82.1% compared to 35% today. In 1948, corporations weren't getting tax breaks to send jobs overseas but now they are. So, who is tomorrow's Joe McCarthy of fearmongering and scare tactics? Romney? Gingrich? Do we really want to relive THAT history? This time, I hope America's middle class wakes up and sees how the big-money special interests are trying to dupe them AGAIN. Just saying...
All I can say is WOW! Anyone who wants to bash Capitalism needs to fist view this video and if they still feel the need to bash it we should stamp an IDIOT mark on their forehead.
Many of you have it your own ISM and world view by accusing the other. Whether government, labor unions, or corporations, you are all giving up your freedoms to each of them and usually one more than the other. You cannot trust any of them... you need to oversee them and be and get in control of your life. Today, each of you has chosen to put your life and liberties in the hands of one of the three.
After reading a good amount of the posts here i am reminded of the idiot massess that wound us up in our current mess! I.E. Bush did it! no it was clinton! Wait it is now Obama! no the liberals! LOL!!! No moron's! the answer to your dilemma is in your mirror! Stop with your devisive tones and realize they are all one and the same! until you wake to this fact, enjoy your slavery!
Bullshit Right Wing propaganda
Xtian bullshit
First: Glad to hear so many varied opinions on our countries current plight.We as a people MUST stand up and be HEARD.How? March on Congress-March on House of Represenatives. Shout out our concerns let them see us face to face not just THE LITTLE PEOPLE who will accept their dictates. I once made a comment to a Russian that it must feel good not to be under a DICTATORSHIP after the fall of the wall. His replay after a few seconds was:YOU ARE UNDER A DICTATORSHIP AND DON'T KNOW IT.Right- Wrong- Take a close look at where we are and you decide.
To: Frank
Dictator:
1.A ruler with absolute authority, appointed in times of emergency.
2. A ruler with absolute power and authority, esp. one who exercises it tyrannically.
3. A person who orders others about domineeringly, or one whose pronouncements on some subject are meant to be taken as the final word.
Frank, I was a little confused, were you talking about bush w. or President Obama? You can watch on YouTube a video where bush is saying that he wouldn't mind if our form of government was a Dictatorship just so long as he was the Dictator.
You must have a pretty wild imagination to think that President Obama is remotely close to being a Dictator. Last I checked, any President must get Congressional approval before a law dictates anything. Now go back and repeat 4th grade and learn about how the democracy system works. God Speed.
@Joy, You always praise your comrades for their links and even just what they say (without proof), I want to see the Busk Link on YouTube. Thanks.
I encourage folks to go back to the closing statements about what made the country great - economic and moral prosperity and opportunity FOR ALL. America has always been engaged in a struggle between the ideals of individualism (the dark side of which is greed and the bright side of which is entrepreneurialism) and interest in the COMMON good -(the dark side of which is totalitarianism and the bright side is democratic rule of law, social justice and investment in common interests, such as education and infrastructure and defense.) The rant against "isms" is not just against government. After all "Capitalism" is an "ism" too and we are seeing those who equate the defense of privilege with "freedom" sounding just like all the cure-alls. None of the "isms" are cure-alls, and there is no perfect balance between, freedom, social justice, equality, opportunity, security, faith and reason, all of which are forces with bright and dark aspects. What sits in the center, for me at least, is educated, intelligent common sense. The key question of our times is how can we create a social, economic and personal future for all the earth that is sustainable, free (to live our lives as we wish, as long as we don't impair other's rights to do the same) and just. Any "ism", any overly simplistic answer that suggests we do not have to struggle to find reasonable solutions that benefit the common good without sacrificing freedom, should be suspect.
Fred thanks for sending this to me .There are so many comments about this cartoon and as with are DNA and Finger Prints non will ever be the same ,unless as it happens as with someone giving a Nobell Prize to a person that they say and not use the people !!!!!
I am 65 and am now getting my social Security and yes I do not need it to get by ,but I paid 15% of my earning as a self employed person all my working life and
if I an not the government had let me invest all my working years I would be living with the best health care and living in the Ritz Carloton with daily room service and giving out large tips to the young people trying to get throught life .I was in the Army thru a Kenndy and Johnson Thru there war in Asia and people would Spit on me for me doing the Job of the people at that time and I was in all the Racial wars in Baltimore and Washinghton ,protecting we the people's homes and what did I get ,Spit !!!!! So let's do the people's business and not the large governments work ,AKA family planning ,free collage,so forth and so forth.
Thanks for your time
Adam B Henderson
@ Victor
Our slavemasters realized before 2008 that an awakening and backlash was forming against Bush's treasonous actions against We the People. For that reason, a black face was put on the NWO in the person of Barrack Obama, in order to deceive the suckers one more time and to accelerate the destruction of our nation that Bush had begun. Make no mistake, Obama is an agent of the international banksters and Wall Street thieves, and he is far worse than Bush. He gets away with it because people are afraid of being called racists, and because he has the protection of the prostitute Mockingbird media, which have been taking money and marching orders from the military industrial complex since the 1940's.
@ Victor
Our slavemasters realized before 2008 that an awakening and backlash was forming against Bush's treasonous actions against We the People. For that reason, a black face was put on the NWO in the person of Barrack Obama, in order to deceive the suckers one more time and to accelerate the destruction of our nation that Bush had begun. Make no mistake, Obama is an agent of the international banksters and Wall Street thieves, and he is far worse than Bush. He gets away with it because people are afraid of being called racists, and because he has the protection of the prostitute Mockingbird media, which have been taking money and marching orders from the military industrial complex since the 1940's.
Hey Craig. I imagine it's fun and easy to make vague unsubstantiated allegations but if you want to be taken seriously being more specific is the way to go.
Maybe start with specifics about how Obama is worse than Bush when it comes to banksters, Wall Street, and the military industrial complex.
Also, I see no shortage of rhetoric against him from the radical right and no shortage of outright racism so your "afraid of being racist" claim looks to be false.
Motorpoodle: For ANY President to be worse than bushtard, they would have to find a way to have the earth slam in to the sun. I have seen a lot of Presidents come and go and I have read about most of them and trust that bush w. not only was the world President, he is a mass murderer and war criminal. Search on how many times bush/cheney have left this country. bush w. did once to Canada and got chased out. There are a lot of countries that would arrest both of them for war crimes. Please, please don't defend bush w. He didn't do ANYTHING right. He was a complete embarrassment to the Republican part and gave them a bad name for years to come.
In 1948 the anti-communism movement was just getting it's momentum because following WWII, people were afraid of MarxISM, communISM and fascISM. Google Joseph McCarthy. In 1948 the societal traits they mentioned in the piece were accurate and believe it or not, I was taught these same things in school when I entered Kindergarten in 1957 - where there were not only white kids but black and brown ones as well - Washington state.
The piece is about being wary of "snake oil salesmen" as they were called at the time. It cautioned against easy solutions and wish fulfillment. Hard work is and always has been the key to a prosperous economy from the individual level to the Federal budget...it's talking about common sense and maturity.
McCarthy sure was an evil anti-freedom nutjob. It's crazy how far people let him go.
"ism"?? Careful not to swallow any "isms"? Capital-ism?? Patriot-ism?? Catech-ism?? Are we too afraid to say the word Communism?? --which is what the cartoon was about in 1948. There is only one out-right closed communist system left on the planet, and that's North Korea. The Soviet Block has dissolved. China has become an open capitalist society. Cuba recently issued licenses to private businesses. If you are afraid of Socialism, are you afraid of the Swiss, the Canadians? Who is it that is scaring the crap out of us? Is the evil Canadian system of government going to take over the world? This cartoon was about communism, and if you've read a book, you would know the difference between communism and socialism!
"ism"?? Careful not to swallow any "isms"? Capital-ism?? Patriot-ism?? Catech-ism?? Are we too afraid to say the word Communism?? --which is what the cartoon was about in 1948. There is only one out-right closed communist system left on the planet, and that's North Korea. The Soviet Block has dissolved. China has become an open capitalist society. Cuba recently issued licenses to private businesses. If you are afraid of Socialism, are you afraid of the Swiss, the Canadians? Who is it that is scaring the crap out of us? Is the evil Canadian system of government going to take over the world? This cartoon was about communism, and if you've read a book, you would know the difference between communism and socialism!
"ism"?? Careful not to swallow any "isms"? Capital-ism?? Patriot-ism?? Catech-ism?? Are we too afraid to say the word Communism?? --which is what the cartoon was about in 1948. There is only one out-right closed communist system left on the planet, and that's North Korea. The Soviet Block has dissolved. China has become an open capitalist society. Cuba recently issued licenses to private businesses. If you are afraid of Socialism, are you afraid of the Swiss, the Canadians? Who is it that is scaring the crap out of us? Is the evil Canadian system of government going to take over the world? This cartoon was about communism, and if you've read a book, you would know the difference between communism and socialism!
Thank you Ron! Ya, it is obvious you have read a book. If I had a nickel everytime someone said the word "Socialism" since President Obama took office, I could abolish world hunger. There is one thing that the Repubicans/Conservatives are good at is to instill fear. One day millions of years from now the earth will be swallowed by the sun. And when that happens the United States will be no more closer than we are now to becoming a Socialized country. President Obama is a moderate President and is no more closer to becoming a Soicalist than I am to flying to the moon tomorrow. Come on America. Don't follow this kine or propaganda. It shows a complete lack of ignorance. Not sexy.
Joy, here you go again, praising someone else's comment, I asked you earlier for the YouTube link and have yet to provide one!
Ronwho'sreadabook, I am not afraid of Socialism, we just do not want it in our country, this nation was founded on Freedoms Canada and other's do not have!!! Only 40 years ago, there was hardly a spits difference between parties up until Kennedy was killed, it was LBJ who began changing this country after we ridded ourselves of presidents like Woodrow Wilson and FDR. As hated and liked by many, Andrew Jackson had it right when he dissolved the Central Bank, it should have never been, and should disappear today. It' has only done us harm through the years, then we did away with the Gold Standard (that was really stupid). At least under the Gold standard, the Fed could NOT print money we do not have...as we are doing under this Administration. I surely hope most all of you know that each time this is done, it devalues our Dollar.
Now we have possibly the most partisan, racist, lying DOJ in the history of the United States, Holder is beyond belief, how many Judges (Local, State and Federal) will he overturn using the power of his office? It began with the Black Panther case, this guy was convicted in a Federal Court, Holder goes in and has the conviction overturned, never mind a jury of his peers (half of which were Blacks) thought he broke the law via intimidation at a voting area, even against black people! Then on another appeal, J. Christian Adams was fired from the Juristic Dept. for testifying by telling the truth, having already being told not to testify or you will be fired. Christenson didn't make it two more days and he was out of there, fired. Racist, you decide!!! Fast and Furious alone should have him been terminated, how many times is he allowed to lie, only to dump documents which say otherwise. Then there are the Voter ID States (21 already have them) but he has over turned the ones in South Carolina and Texas, yet the other 21 States are okay, does this make since to anyone? The ONLY way Obama could ever win South Carolina and Texas (both of which he lost in 2008) would be by allowing voter fraud letting illegal's vote, along with the usual dead people, these two States have MANY illegal aliens living there on the taxpayer dime.
@Patriot - you said "I am not afraid of Socialism, we just do not want it in our country"
You don't get to speak for everyone and we've had socialized institutions in this country since the beginning.
"this nation was founded on Freedoms Canada and other's do not have!!!"
Which freedoms are those?
"as we are doing under this Administration. I surely hope most all of you know that each time this is done, it devalues our Dollar."
Our dollar gets devalued the most under Republican presidents.
"Now we have possibly the most partisan, racist, lying DOJ in the history of the United States"
It's unbelievable you could say that after witnessing Ashcroft and Gonzales.
"It began with the Black Panther case, this guy was convicted in a Federal Court, Holder goes in and has the conviction overturned"
Back to your lies. The New Black Panther case was dropped by the Bush DOJ.
"Then there are the Voter ID States (21 already have them) but he has over turned the ones in South Carolina and Texas, yet the other 21 States are okay"
More lies. Only 7 states require a photo ID
"does this make since to anyone?"
Yes, the other 7 states enacted this before the current DOJ.
"would be by allowing voter fraud letting illegal's vote, along with the usual dead people"
Voter fraud is not a widespread issue.
Real problems occur with voting machine hacking like the Bush campaign very likely engaged in.
Oy.
Someone said:
As hated and liked by many, Andrew Jackson had it right when he dissolved the Central Bank, it should have never been, and should disappear today. It' has only done us harm through the years, then we did away with the Gold Standard (that was really stupid). At least under the Gold standard, the Fed could NOT print money we do not have...as we are doing under this Administration. I surely hope most all of you know that each time this is done, it devalues our Dollar.
Right. What do we need with a $4 trillion economy? GM was too big, and so is Apple. We can use an economy much smaller than $1 trillion! Gold standard will mean 50% unemployment -- but how many Starbucks baristas do we need? One auto mechanic should be able to service an entire town, if the cars were built like the old Model T -- which they will have to be if we go back on the gold standard, because no one will be able to afford the extra work that goes into making air conditioning and stereos, and air bags, and crushable fenders . . .
And, hey, quit bogarting whatever that stuff is you're smoking, and pass it around! We all need to see some of those pink, gold-standard elephants!
motorpoodle
[Canada] We have freedom of health care choices, which is why so many Canadians come to the U.S. for better and faster care, we 'USED' to have a better Justice system, do not 'or' didn't allow Sharia Law in the U.S.! WE do not have Prime Ministers or Magistrates, till it goes into effect, we as employers and religious institutions are not mandated by the Government to force birth control and abortions via private insurance! Especially when it singles out Catholics and other Christians and the Jewish people, why are Muslims exempt? Do you want the Catholics and Christians to stop helping the poor, most all shelters and food kitchens are owned and staffed by volunteer Christians. Private schools who take all faiths and races, including Muslim. Why can Muslims pray two of their five prayers per day allowed in schools?
If you do not believe there is a God, go on an Islamic Web site and tell them they do not have a God either, dare you to do that...
Voter ID, sorry that was 21 States with NO Voter ID requirements what-so-ever, 10 states have it, 2 have recently filed and won the Voter ID State Elections and have been overturned by the DOJ, THIS IS A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE, not a Federal issue. The Feds have no right denying a States' rights permission(s), it cannot be done by Executive Order, only by Congressional Convention. Even the SCOTUS should deny hearing this one.
Source: http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id-state-requirements.aspx
Bush DOJ "FILED" the case against the New Black Panthers, Holder had it overturned: From CBS online, one of YOUR news stations:
motorpoodle...this one is on you, when you said " Back to your lies. The New Black Panther case was dropped by the Bush DOJ." You lied...yet again!
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20010581-504564.html ...and many other news sites.
Here you finished with: " Real problems occur with voting machine hacking like the Bush campaign very likely engaged in." Why is it the Liberal Universities looking at the voter records only found them done in large sections by Devil-crats? Why were only Democrats prosecuted for Voter Fraud and Acorn?
Ed, sorry but your post was just plain ignorant!!!!
@Patriot - You said "We have freedom of health care choices".
Canada actually has more choices. They have private insurance as well as public healthcare that everyone is eligible for regardless of pre-existing conditions, employment, or income.
Insurance in the US is often tied to your job severely limiting your choices. Also if you don't have money or insurance there is all kinds of healthcare you won't receive.
So Canadians have more freedom than Americans when it comes to healthcare. Canadian healthcare is also ranked better than the US and is more efficient cost wise.
"we 'USED' to have a better Justice system"
Can you back that up at all?
"WE do not have Prime Ministers or Magistrates"
They don't have presidents or a House of Representatives. What's you're point?
"till it goes into effect, we as employers and religious institutions are not mandated by the Government to force birth control and abortions via private insurance!"
Nobody's is forcing birth control and abortions. We are extending freedom to people by keeping employers from banning whatever coverage they want from private insurance they have no business messing with. What does this have to do with Canada though?
"why are Muslims exempt?"
They're not.
"you want the Catholics and Christians to stop helping the poor"
Why would they stop helping the poor? What does this have to do with Canada?
"Why can Muslims pray two of their five prayers per day allowed in schools?"
It's usually Christians that have a problem with Muslim's praying. Again, what does this have to do with Canada?
"THIS IS A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE, not a Federal issue."
Federal elections are a federal issue.
The charges against the New Black Panthers were downgraded by the Bush Department of Justice:
The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office.
"Bush DOJ "FILED" the case against the New Black Panthers, Holder had it overturned: From CBS online, one of YOUR news stations"
LOL, you're CBS link says "Page cannot be found". You're just making shit up. I'll quote the article you couldn't be bothered to click: "The charges against the New Black Panthers were downgraded by the Bush Department of Justice:
The decision not to file a criminal case occurred before Obama was even in office."
"Why is it the Liberal Universities looking at the voter records only found them done in large sections by Devil-crats? Why were only Democrats prosecuted for Voter Fraud and Acorn?"
You completely fabricated more bullshit. Here: of those 38 prosecutions that the Justice Department brought between 2002 and 2005, a grand total of two were for fabricating or falsifying voter registration applications.
Link
Acorn was never prosecuted for voter fraud.
Keep making up stuff and spewing lies and I'll keep shooting you down with easy to find facts.
@motorpoodle--When I speak of Canadian Healthcare, Several of my friends up there wonder where they can go to get faster, quicker, and better care if the U.S. becomes like Canada's health care. Art Reince tells me his mother would have lived much longer had her "Health Councilor" had allowed her faster access to treat her Cancer (she died this past February). She first was diagnosed a year ago with Stage 1 Lymphoma. Stage 1,2 are almost always curable, Stage 3 is about 60/40 percent. She got in at late Stage 4, the Cancer had metastasized so much, all they could do was make her more comfortable till she passed away.
I'll admit most Canadians like Free Government Health Care, until something which costs too much or the Hospitals close when they run out of money, which has happened several times in the past and will again.
WE WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT CANADA!!!
By the way, the link I posted about the New Black Panther case worked for me, so this time I will post it again in Mozilla Black Panther or: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20010581-504564.html You had the audacity to send me to a "Think Progress" Liberal slanted site...I figured CBS would be liberal enough for you, which is why I chose that one.
At my niece and nephew's Middle School, they are not allowed to wear Christian garb, pray, or say the Pledge of Allegiance, yet they have a separate room in the Gym where the Muslims store their individual prayer rugs. What the school has done is to cut the free class (we used to call it "Home Room") for an hour. The Muslim kids go to the gym two times a day to pray, he had a video he took through the gym window (which I think was wrong, although I did watch the very brief video)...then the windows were covered. It's a double standard, another example is they are allowed to wear t-shirts with Arabic writing on them. If a white kid wears one in Arabic, they are sent home.
Federal elections are a federal issue.
Wrong again, a ballot initiative, or a State Law passed in the Legislature in any given State is NOT Federal!
Acorn Voter Fraud case, one example on a site you must believe...MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30567548/ns/politics-more_politics/t/acorn-charged-nevada-voter-fraud-case/ They all pled Guilty. Another with several: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud It was almost always Acorn and/or Acorn workers. Voter Fraud is a Federal Crime, why are local State Judges hearing the cases, it should have been a Federal Court, it's wrong to dismiss or suspended sentences on a Conviction. Justice is supposed to be blind, not political. (Again, Holder comes to mind)
@ Patriot - "When I speak of Canadian Healthcare, Several of my friends up there wonder where they can go to get faster, quicker, and better care if the U.S. becomes like Canada's health care".
Your friends sound strange. Canada's healthcare is ranked 30th in the world while ours is 37th. Both countries have higher wait times than most other industrialized nations. Although Canada has a more efficient system and doesn't have the millions dying for lack of insurance that we do.
Personally I think we should be taking cues from countries in the top 10 and not just aiming 7 spots up from us though.
"WE WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT CANADA!!!
You claimed Canada didn't have the freedoms we do and then were unable to come up with any examples and so I guess you just rambled off topic instead.
"By the way, the link I posted about the New Black Panther case worked for me"
Works now but your link is mostly talking about accusations by right wing activist J Adams and again ignores the fact that the Bush DOJ declined to pursue criminal charges while Obama's actually found judgment against one of the defendants.
Not sure what this has to do with anything of importance but here's the full story.
Why are you so worked up over these few people when voter intimidation was widespread in Florida with roadblocks set up in black neighborhoods by Jeb Bush? Seems like that would be a bigger issue.
"At my niece and nephew's Middle School, they are not allowed to wear Christian garb, pray, or say the Pledge of Allegiance, yet they have a separate room in the Gym where the Muslims store their individual prayer rugs."
That's great. Most of the double standards go against Muslims. You can see that everywhere. Good to hear it's not all one direction.
"Wrong again, a ballot initiative, or a State Law passed in the Legislature in any given State is NOT Federal!"
I said Federal elections are a federal issue and somehow you started talking about things that aren't federal elections.
"Acorn Voter Fraud case, one example on a site you must believe"
From your ballotpedia link I'm not seeing more than a couple convictions of low level people fined for trying to meet a quota.
You and your ilk are terribly lost, O wants yet another Trillion +, making it 4 years in a row. I will speak with possibly again when you leave your alternate reality and open your eyes to what is happening. If you ever get your way with Obama, I strongly believe you will one day be sorry for being led astray. So long to a sad little man. Write what you will, I'll likely never see your message.
Sweet! I've stopped Patriot from trying to spread more lies by posting verifiable facts.
I get a kick out of how his last ditch effort was to change the subjects and throw a little tantrum with childish insults.
Good riddance Patriot!
This country was was founded on having freedom, freedom of religon, speach and if you don't know it includes taxes. As we all know that we have taxes now. We are in the days that we will loose most of our other freedoms. The constutation states that the government has very limited power to make laws over the people. It states that the government will will have powers only in the judments within the constitution. Any laws that's passed for the people so shall be passed for the government. Obama passed the healthcare bill for the people but has said that members of congress is excemped from it. This is going to the suprem court. I fill that if the suprem court upholds this ruling that even our higest court has ruled against our constution and against the people. If this happens we will no longer have any true freedoms. Obama has moved against every part of the constution as we know it. I agree what others here has said in that in doing this he has gone against the constution and the people of the united states. This is a clear defanition of treason. I will say the same thing to every member of the supreim court if they pass the healthcare bill. Thisd has already gone way to far even if it was some little back woods court! Obama says he is a Christian but he goes to Muslim prayer. He has never been seen going to a church service. He won't pay respect to our flag but bows to a Muslim king. I don't care about the past, but if I had a choice to vote for Bush or Obama, I would vote for Bush. It seems that we as a people have lost any care about how things are getting. If people would understand what all the real men went through founding this country you all would think twice about these things.Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men
who signed the Declaration of Independence ?
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors,
and tortured before they died.
Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army;
another had two sons captured.
Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or
hardships of the Revolutionary War.
They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes,
and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they?
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
Eleven were merchants,
nine were farmers and large plantation owners;
men of means, well educated,
but they signed the Declaration of Independence
knowing full well that the penalty would be death if
they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and
trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the
British Navy. He sold his home and properties to
pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British
that he was forced to move his family almost constantly.
He served in the Congress without pay, and his family
was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him,
and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer,
Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.
At the battle of Yorktown , Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that
the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson
home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General
George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed,
and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.
The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying.
Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill
were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests
and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his
children vanished.
Instead of griping about how things are,It is time that we get off our butts and do something about it!
MarcuObama passed the healthcare bill for the people but has said that members of congress is excemped from it.
No, he didn't. No, they aren't. Who told you that lie?
Obama has moved against every part of the constution as we know it.
Then you don't know the Constitution at all. Obama has "moved against" no part of the Constitution, with the possible exception of his signing the extension of Bush's PATRIOT Act. You make no kick then, you have none now.
Obama says he is a Christian but he goes to Muslim prayer.
Your mother never whipped you for lying, did she. Sad. It shows.
Obama's a Christian, raised Christian in the U.S.A., and a member of a Christian church in the Stone-Campbell tradition for his entire time in Chicago. The Stone-Campbellites -- you know, like President Garfield, President Johnson, and President Reagan.
You are an embarrassment to your mother.
He has never been seen going to a church service.
Right. That's why people complain about his preacher, Jeremiah Wright.
Your mother should come whip you now, for the sake of all readers here, and for your sake.
See here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/30/under-god-obama-attends-c_n_802653.html
He won't pay respect to our flag but bows to a Muslim king.
Liar.
I don't care about the past, but if I had a choice to vote for Bush or Obama, I would vote for Bush. It seems that we as a people have lost any care about how things are getting.
Of course, Bush's running again would be contrary to the Constitution.
Confess, you've never read the document. Where are you really from? Ukraine? Pakistan?
He won't pay respect to our flag but bows to a Muslim king.
Liar. See here, "Obama leads the Pledge of Allegiance": http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/obama-leads-the-pledge-of-allegiance/
He won't pay respect to our flag but bows to a Muslim king.
Bullfeathers.
See here: http://thinkprogress.org/media/2009/11/16/69426/rove-attacks-bowing/
See here:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200911160014
@2handsfull, don’t let these indoctrinated freaks get to you, right, wrong or indifferent you are allowed your opinion, it’s a little things we have called freedom of speech.
Ed, motorpoodle, and a few others are under the impression I have left this site, I haven’t…I just will not reply to their name calling, lack of respect, lack of knowledge, where their age and I.Q’s match, anyone who quotes from Media Matters or Think Progress and expect educated people to believe them is just how arrogant they are.
So, do not let them get to you, we all have rights…including the right to not listen or reply to their hate and lies. Soon they will be just talking to themselves.
I just will not reply to their name calling, lack of respect, lack of knowledge . . .
Harry Truman said, "I don't give 'em hell. I just tell the truth, and they think it's hell."
Name calling? Lack of knowledge? You demonstrate a profound lack of respect to make such charges, falsely.
Yes, we all have a right to our opinions. But when you are stating your opinions, let it be known that it is just an opinion, not fact. There is only on of those!
I would like to see this Cartoon played in every School in America from K to 12 Grade...Let our Children decide...WAKE UP PEOPLE....Class Warfare..Race Warfare...If you don't get it, keep drinking the KOOLADE..NOBAMA
Everthing that's wrong in this country Nobama blames on Bush, He should go back one more administration and be blaming the real cause of Americans problems. Bill (mistake) Clinton, who started this mess in the first place. Obama should be impeached now. Everyday he's president is another day that America moves backward. Let this be a lesson, that's what happens when a non American is elected President. He would make a good dictater in Iran. Or maybe he is.
The problem really started in the early 20th century. Perhaps before, things were going downhill by 1825.
FDR was a major enabler of our current socialist state of affairs.
This craze did not take off till people started reading and then believing the writings of Marx.
Socialism does not work. Its not working anywhere. N Korea is a poster child for Socialism's failures. Cuba is not quite as bad, at least the lights are on at night.
Canada's health care. I am 62. I rely on the VA. Its slow but FAR, FAR faster than Canada. The elderly and retired are left to die. A friend of mine, retired gov't worker was a year waiting to see a orthopedist about his back, which he had damaged in his 20s, and said he might still be a year down the waiting list. This was the last time I talked to him about health care. A Canadian told me his dad, active on the farm but too old, could not get a hip replacement in Canada so they went to the "States" and had it done. While doing the exams for the surgery they found he had early stage Prostate Cancer so they operated for that as well.
In Canada he was a walking (well hobbling) dead man.
The purpose of socialized medicine is to kill off people the Gov't sees as a liability. Its happening all over Europe as well.
All you people that believe the socialist BS had apparently already drunk the Kool-Aid.
You need to shake off the effects and see what the REAL truth is.
We have had over 100000 men and women killed trying to prevent Communist tyranny from enslaving people in foreign countries and all the time we were voting it in here in easy stages. Who is at fault? All the useful idiots (Lenin's term) that vote for what the Gov't can do for them rather than what SHOULD they do for the good of the COUNTRY and the Constitution. Which is now largely in tatters.
To Unknown! The United States of America is NO where near being a socialized nation. Not even close. There is not a country in the world that looks at our healthcare system and says, Gee, I wish we were like the USA. You are so wrong about Canada's healthcare system. I have a close friend that loves it and has never had a problem. If there is anyone that has had to use our health insurance system and loves it hasn't been really sick yet. My Dad paid Blue Cross for 30 years and then was diagnosed with lymphoma. I was living in Hawaii at the time. He called crying and said that his insurance wouldn't cover the twice a week $1,200 chemotherapy. I said no way and moved back to California. We hired an attorney and wa-la, was covered. Thanks to that move, my Dad lived 8 years longer. My mother used the VA system and loves it and that IS a government system. The free market DOES NOT apply to health insurance. A free market system causes prices to get lower because of competition. All the private health insurance companies do is sleep together and make sure prices remain high. Sorry, I would trust the government with healthcare WAY before a private health insurance company who's main goal is to deny coverage. Don't be fooled!
The lack of truth in so many views is mind boggling! In science, factual evidence supersedes theory. In politics, perspective supersedes truth. All presidents have been encumbered by the restrictions of narrow mindedness from both parties. Today, we suffer the consequences. Whether it be from religious or political ignorance, the outcome we are experiencing is our own fault. We want our freedoms, and blindly put the blame on the politicians we elect. Freedom comes with a responsibility to enact laws to protect it. Congress and the Senate have gotten to the point of unaccountability. They pass laws which the vast majority of the people have no information about. Left to their own devises, special interest groups (ie; corporations) have bought control over our country. It pains me to hear so-called Christians forgetting about religious freedom. It disgusts me to hear about corporate "SuperPacs". It saddens me to see the level of passionate discord based on half-truths and blatantly false suppositions.
Wake up AMERICA! Spend some time educating yourselves with unbiased facts.
Hardline, you are so right! No one administration can be blamed for all the trouble we are in now but the current leadership has doubled the national debt from the 1st 40+ presidents in less than a full term. No president has had such a sketchy, almost hidden, past as Pres. Obama. Pres. Bush may have done some stupid things but none was impeachable. Whereas, instructing your AG to NOT enforce a law on the books is impeachable. Appointing more than 40 high ranking "czars" during non "recesses" is impeachable. Requiring the citizens of this country to buy anything is un-constitutional. Persecuting a local sheriff for enforcing a federal law the the federal government refused to enforce is bullying and cowardly. I left my well compensated position within the military community because I could no longer not speak out against the worst Commander-in-Chief I've experienced since my enlistment in 1967. The only reason he hasn't been impeached is the Democratic strangle hold on the Senate.
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