Sunday, September 20, 2009

This Cartoon Seemed Far-Fetched In 1948

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Patriot55 said...

magistre, I believe we can agree to disagree…

@Joyfullone; I cannot find any records which show that Bush borrowed any money from China, not even on FactCheck.org. We had a wonderful economy from 2001-2006, then the Democrats took both Houses in 2007, this is when the housing market began to collapse due to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd supporting Freddie Mae, Freddie Mac, Acorn, and forcing Banks to give sub-prime mortgages to those who could not afford a home. (This IS supported on FactCheck.org) I did locate the war budget (each year he was in Office) from Iraqi Freedom through 2008 never got out of the Billions; it did not even hit a Trillion since he had paid for much of the war.

(Laughing) Bush NEVER spent 3.7 Trillion on Iraq and Afghanistan in the eight years as president, and lest we forget, the majority of Democrats in both Houses also supported both of those wars and voted on them. (FYI---I Do watch C-Span and DVR what I will miss.) Bush’s unemployment numbers averaged 5% till 2007. Have you yet to learn that higher taxes on private businesses plus the Capital Gains tax (and waiting to see what it will cost them to operate due to ObamaCare) is why they are not hiring any longer?

Tickle-down Economics was applied by Reagan in 1982; Bill Clinton used the same strategy in 1994 to get re-elected. Economists from Columbia and Harvard claim that if Bush had not gotten the $700 Billion in November of 2008 (of which most of that money went to Obama), that the Housing Market and Banks would have caused a great depression. I really didn’t like the cost by Bush at the time, but in hindsight it was needed. Under Obama, both the National Debt and Deficit have hit new all time highs, he also set a new record for spending from George Washington through Bush, as of 2011 the total comes to just over $5 Trillion Dollars, with $3.7 Trillion for 2012. The very same Economists and the CBO have said that including interest on borrowed money from 2009 to present will total $19 Trillion by 2019.

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JoyFulOne said...

To Patriot: The reason that Iraq war funding is not all over the internet is because bushtard kept it off the books. Here it is: The war is off budget but we are finding the money somewhere. There are only two possible somewheres -- either we (the federal government) are printing it, or we are borrowing it. Probably some of each, but more borrowing than printing. So if we are borrowing the money, who is lending it to us?

The rest of the world, of course, through their purchase of U.S. treasuries. And who is doing the most buying? The Chinese, of course. They have the largest imbalance of trade with the U.S. Interestingly, so are the Gulf states in the Middle East because of the petro dollars that get recycled into U.S. equities but also into treasuries. How ironic that "our war" is being financed by the indifferent Chinese and the very effected Gulf states, who have a direct interest in us protecting theirs.

The fiscal budgets are going through Congress right now and the war funding is in the bill. bush didn't do it that way with Iraq. Tricky guy he was! Not to mention a war criminal!

JoyFulOne said...

To Jim. You stated: “Everyone blames Bush, who had to deal with Clinton's pushing the mortgage companies to give loans that they knew people couldn't pay back.

WRONG! President Clinton did no such thing. In the Community Re-Investment Act, there is no legislation forcing banks or loan agencies to offer low-doc or no-doc loans. As I said before, if you don't believe me, walk in to your bank or any bank or loan agency and ask the manager if there was any federal legislation that forced them to offer these kind of loans. What DID happen was de-regulation. Simple GREED is what happened. My late Father was a mortgage banker for 35 years, so trust me when I say that the federal government didn't cause the bubble. Same with Wall Street. The word regulation is a bad word except if your in forclosure, you lost your 401K, or your life savings in the stock market. When it comes to de-regulation, be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. The ONLY thing bush cared about is starting a senseless war and the military industrial complex and didn't give a rats ass about domestic issues. I hope all of Congress, whether R or D has learned an important lesson here or we are doomed to repeat it in regard to our nations financial stability. In regard to Iraq, you would have thought we had learned something in the Vietnam war. Guess not. And if you want to talk about Afghanistan, if we would have taken care of business after 9/11 like a normal country would have, we wouldn't be in Afghanistan. Simple stuff here you guys!

Kate said...

I just want to thank you for posting this film. Its fundamental truth is unchanged, regardless of the era specific assumptions made. I take personal freedom and capitalism over any other system, any day.

ken.boddy said...

Nothing very impressive about this cartoon: it is merely a capitalist propaganda piece, which was ubiquitous during that time. It gives the impression that people only have two strict choices as far as an economic/social system is concerned: Capitalism (which by the way is an 'ism', and can still take away freedoms...just ask a German citizen of the 1930's/1940's), or Communism, which this was obviously directed towards, considering the hysteria created in America at the time. Remember, this paranoia culminated 5 short years later, with the destruction of scores of innocent American lives, during the McCarthy era. I guess those people weren't very free. Nothing has really changed: they love to keep scaring us, and our new modern bogeyman, is obviously a middle-eastern muslim. Cheers!

virgil said...

April8 2011 Virgil said .. how many will stand up for it today??? I will be number 1

UncleGreasy said...
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UncleGreasy said...

...because I'm all about "me" I did not bother to read what others posted ;) but I don't feel too bad because no "one" will read this anyway ;) That said, "I" got so wrapped up in what "I" have to say about this topic that "I" forgot the topic... Regardless, "I" will post to bask in "my" own glorious post and read it to "myself" over and over again because "I" can't seem to get enough of "my" glorious "self."

God bless those who defend the code of liberty for themselves and more importantly defend the liberties of others.

What goes around -comes around.

Justo Mr "me" ;)

etbsndc07 said...

Bush, Ovomit, whoever..........they ALL crapped on the Constitution. As soon as this happened and no one stood up to correct it, the die was cast and these treasonous acts have never stopped. At long last we seem to be awakening and Barry is illegally occupying our white house. At this point it does not matter who did what before him. We are in extreme peril RIGHT NOW. This must be reversed and he must be arrested for fraud, for starters.

Americans must understand that our government does not represent us, the American people. It is and has been for a long time, a shadow government, intent on its own agenda. Our economy will NEVER recover and we will never get out of our phony debt as long as the illegal federal reserve remains viable.

Let's stop worrying about who did what and STOP IT ALL and get our Constitutional Republic back!

UncleGreasy said...

who?

Brett said...

http://bushcrimes.net/ nuff said... but somehow it's the black guy's fault *sigh* step away from the ism bottles people

Brett said...

http://bushcrimes.net/

Nuff said. Seriously folks, step away from your -ism bottles long enough to see that it's time we the people fought back against government; and not squabble over political agenda. If Obama is socialist, then Bush was fascist. Blah blah blah, how about our government is allowing big corporations to have half the workers and twice the profits, while jacking up gas prices, and preventing the US form having a centralized medical care. Wake the hell up... And look at the world around us. They grew up, and here we are being the reckless teenager.

Brett said...

@ patriot55

http://mercatus.org/publication/spending-under-president-george-w-bush

I can't help it if the truth hurts.... Obama is going to look bad just for taking office after bush, and the republicans are not even going to try to take control back this election year, the don't want to. what better way to make the dems look bad than blocking them from fixing the bush errors?

JoyFulOne said...

This goes out to Brett! KUDOS! Thanks for sharing the website: http://bushcrimes.net/

It is unbelievable to me how short peoples memories are. I am an avid C-Span watcher and also do a lot of political research. You would think this whole mess that we are in started the day President Obama came in to office. I remember when bush w. lied to Congress and the American people so he could invade Iraq. Then I remember Senator McCain say, oh, no problem, we will be in and out of there is 6 months. Now, 5,000 of our troops dead, one million innocent Iraqi civilians dead, 4 million Iraqi's displaced and $3 TRILLION spent, and 10 years later here we are. Oh, not to mention Gitmo, torture, and the black sites. bush w. is the first President to be appointed by the Supreme Court. (Read an article you can find on line called: None Dare Call It Treason by Vincent Bulugosi if you have any doubts.) bush w. is a war criminal and mass murderer and I am sick of people sugar coating it. If we had gone in to Afghanistan like we did in Desert Storm after 9/11, McCain would have been right, we would have been in and out in 6 months.. bush w. spent money like a drunken sailor and President Obama came in after him and had to clean up the mess. And that mess will take decades. So everyone, lay off President Obama, he saved all of us from being homeless as far as I am concerned. Again Brett, thanks for bringing common sense in to the discussion.

Davemidwest said...

Has anybody thought babout the cost in Lives of our military, whether drafted or volunteers, that have made it possible to leave your comments on this blog

JoyFulOne said...

Yes friend, I have thought a lot about our military troops. And I pray for them and their families. The point I am making in my statements is that WHAT our troops are fighting for. Cause it is certainly not our freedom. We go to war when there is an imminent threat. Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya do not fit in to that catagory. I do wish we had the draft right now. That way the rich little boys and girls would have to fight along side the poor ones. The draft would also get the American people more involved in regard to where and when we send troops. 5,000 of our troops dead in Iraq, 3 Trillion spent, (including VA costs when the war is over), and for what? I would like to hear a good excuse. Time for America to stop policing the world in the name of oil.. My parents met when they were in the Army stationed in Korea. So I do believe we should have a strong military, but to invade countries that are not a threat to us is ridiculous. Plain and simple!

John Hunter said...

Ann went to the root of the matter when she said: "We live in a dark time with Peoples minds clouded with the sin of self." We live in the age of "self". "Me first" is the norm for today. Fulfilling of self desires is what is most important to the majority.
Scripture prophesies that in the last days "men shall be lovers of themselves." And then it tells what sins will be the result of self-love. For many years we have heard the devils lie, from everywhere, "you've got to learn to love yourself." Tragically (and
unbelievably) even many church leaders and preachers fell for it.

One should have learned from experience, and common sense should tell one that every infant is born with self-love as his "operating system". No one has to learn to love self, he has to learn to not love self above loving his neighbor. The second commandment tells us to love our neighbor on a par with the love that we already have for ourselves. We are to "deny
self."
Friends, get prepared to meet your Maker, because You WILL
meet Him soon.

magistre said...

John Hunter, did you include "self-aggrandizement"?

Patriot55 said...

JoyFulOne
June 30, 2011 12:34PM

“I remember when bush w. lied to Congress and the American people so he could invade Iraq.”

Please check your facts: 1998 Clinton and his Administration years before Bush, called for an ‘Act of War’ the Dem House voted 360-38 and unanimous consent in the Senate. Clinton was deeply concerned that Hussein’s WMDs, Biological Weapons, Chemical Weapons, and his desire and contacts to continue to obtain a Nuclear Weapon.

In a speech on December 16, 1998: “Saddam Hussein MUST NOT be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas, or biological weapons of mass destruction and/or ballistic missiles. With Saddam there is one big difference, he has used them in the recent past, not once but repeatedly.”

Al Gore on the Larry King Show said: “You allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons. How many people is he going to kill with such weapons? We are not going to let him succeed!”

In 1999 Clinton Administration began to develop options to overthrow Saddam’s regime, according to Ken Pollack, and official in Clinton’s National Security Council. “A plan for a land invasion has been drawn up (earlier in the year), under the auspices of Colin Powell, it seems to be the only option.” Clinton was too busy with the War in Kosovo before he left office to begin the war on Iraq. President Bush also let it go, until the 9/11 attacks on the WTC’s.

Leading Democrats spoke as assertively as Republicans from the Senate Floor on October 10, 2002 calling for action against Saddam Hussein, Democrat Senators voiced their concern:

Senator Schumer: “When I consider that Hussein could either use or give to Terrorists his WMD’s and that he might just be mad enough to do it, I find, after careful research, the answer to my question: we cannot afford to leave him alone over these next years.”

Who else spoke in Schumer’s behalf:
*Senator Hillary Clinton
*Senator John D. Rockefeller
*Senator Joseph Biden
*And on they went throughout the day…

Look it up, I did!!! Or were they just setting Bush up for a fall??

motorpoodle said...

Then you would also remember when Saddam got rid of his WMDs and the UN had inspectors in there doing their job.

Then Bush lied and entrenched us in this long ass farce of a war.

magistre said...

--Patriot, while I respect your presentation if you didn't know, like quite a few Americans all of Saddam's advanced weaponry (chemical/biological) was supplied by the Federal Government (U.S.A.).
As with all politicians, they are the biggest liars-What do you call an honest politician? Dead!

Patriot55 said...

motorpoodle said...
Then you would also remember when Saddam got rid of his WMDs and the UN had inspectors in there doing their job.

Then Bush lied and entrenched us in this long ass farce of a war."

What!!! Hussein kicked the U.N. Inspectors out of the country, would NOT allow them to inspect any of his weapons, period. Show me "Unbiased" proof Bush 43 lied about anything.

Now your boy, Obama is a habitual liar, there is plenty of proof on video in his own words. However you will not find it in the MSM or on Liberal websites! "I will have us fully out of Iraq by the end of 2009:...there are still 58,000 troops there. Just one example.

Ed Darrell said...

It's still far-fetched.

Tea Partiers won't even give up a thin dime for a dollar's worth of freedom, or defense of same.

Not everyone is a fool -- but the film assumes most people are. I don't think Barnum was that correct.

Patriot55 said...

While I respect what the tea party stands for, they will HAVE to LEARN compromise at the risk of looking like the Left Wing/Progressives. No one gets everything they want, now that the Houses are split. The Debt deal is expected to pass, both sides won, and both sides lost...It is not exactly what I wanted, however no one could afford a default on our obligations. Doing so would have put the economy further out of reach and into a black hole, Recession/Depression.

This by no means we will not spiral downward, but many have awoken. I am a Republican, but the tea party needs to learn incrementalism.

To the far Left, they need to learn that being 100% obstructionists is not going to help them, in-fact has already hurt their party in the public eyes.

maddog said...

if you want to know what is really going on go to you tube and watch the 3 hour the money masters and 90in aaron russo from freedom to fascism, it will make you very angry to learn this knowledege

Patriot55 said...

On my comment "JoyFulOne
June 30, 2011 12:34PM" I would just like to state that the information I provided was from the actual transcript from the House of which I received from filing a FOIA request. That is where the real truth is found, NOT on a partisan website.

Drew said...

THanks for putting this up. I found it today on a link from a poster at Newsbusters. I have also put you on my follow list.

I look forward to reading more from you.

Patriot55 said...

Welcome to the jungle, Drew...This has been a passionate debate to say the least!

JoyFulOne said...

To Patriot: Oh, yes, we got the money mostly from China to fund Iraq. Google it! But I did make a mistake about the cost. At this time it hasn't cost us, (the taxpayers), $3 Trillion YET! I am including the costs of ALL of the war until it ends and also including the VA costs due to our troops coming back with PTSD, brain injuries, and all the other good little things that happen to our troops. I beg anyone to inform me what the United States gained from invading and occupying Iraq. Name just one! If you bring up Saddam, well, he was Iraq's business. Every country has a right to have a revolution to oust their leaders. It is not up to us to police the world. Again, when bushtard had to change the excuse for invading Iraq 3 times, one might be scratching their asses and asking WTF? It took President Obama to finally track down and kill bin Laden. bush/cheney didn't give a shit about him.

There was some good news lately that Rumsfield's being brought up on charges for various war crimes. The wheels of justice move slowly, but no one is above the law. And he broke many. So, please research what you say so we can gut the opinions and get down to facts. Thanks!

Patriot55 said...

@Caribou Bambi-First of all, other than you being completely ignorant about ‘real facts’ (which is difficult to locate if not impossible, which is why I revert to actual documents from the Freedom of Information Act, and Nexis-Lexis) then I would suggest to you that if you cannot back it up, DO NOT SAY IT…geez, it is true what they say; “Stupid is, as stupid does (in your case “…as stupid writes”!

Bush never borrowed money from China, that’s Obama’s gig, and his alone!!! What crashed the economy was first done under Carter, then there was the Frank-Dodd housing act, which forced Mortgage Co.’s such as Freddie Mae, Freddie Mac. ACORN Housing for the ‘disadvantaged’…et. al…under Clinton all were past due by 2007/2008.

NOW, your boy Obama has mandated that Welfare will now qualify for income to purchase Housing, talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire, what a phenomenally ignorant idea!!!!!! These are facts, they are not disputable!

Stop talking to me without facts young girl, if so, I will no longer answer your ignorant uneducated lies. For God’s sake, go back to school, you really should finish the 6th grade.

Patriot55 said...

Sorry JoylesssOne...I meant to say:

(which is difficult to locate if not impossible ***ON GOOGE***, which is why I revert to actual documents from the Freedom of Information Act, and Nexis-Lexis)

btw-your presidents approval dropped to 39 disapprove overall rating by both Dems and Repubs...

JoyFulOne said...

Patriot: Check it out:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html (If you can't access the above article, let me know, I will copy and past it for you.

Whether it costs one dollar or 3 trillion, one of our troops lost is worse than whatever it costs. Fucking ridiculous war, no matter who you are!

Over 5,000 of our troops dead. Over a million innocent Iraqi civilians dead. 4 million Iraqi's displaced and for what? Can you answer that?

Patriot55 said...

JoyFulOne said... Here we go agian...

Before I get to the so-called “News Article???” What I asked clarification on was you claimed Bush was borrowing money from China, I still see no truth to that statement!
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Source: U.S. Department of Commerce: Bureau of Economic Analysis (I had already pulled the documents for an article I wrote.)

Chart and facts showing spending curve from 2000 through 2011:
As you can see, from 2000 to 2008, under President Bush, Federal spending rose by $1.3 trillion. From 2009 through 2011, Obama has spent $3.8 Trillion dollars. In other words, federal government spending under President Obama increased over 2X as much as it has under President Bush.
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The article you referred to was written by: Linda J. Bilmes from Harvard and co-authored by Joseph E. Stiglitz of Columbia University. While researching their teachings and thesis’s, they have a very Liberal/Progressive outlook. And remember that the Obama spending is an all time high and sets a record for everything he has been spending and borrowing. These people are not journalists, they took an excerpt from the book they co-authored “"The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost of the Iraq Conflict.”, which flopped miserably, with book reviews from even the NYT saying they cannot determine where these two obtained their facts (an economist from the Harvard School of Business).

JoyFulOne said...

Bottom line: China holds most of our debt. And it is unheard of to lower taxes when we are at war. Please for the love of God, don't defend that war criminal and mass murderer!

Patriot55 said...

War criminals are those who go to war without obtaining approval from the House of Representatives, Bush had the blessing of almost every democrat in both houses, I have posted what many of them said, and how they was 100% behind going to war in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama in Libya did not go through Congress, and neither did Clinton's invasion into Somalia...which now has become an uncontrollable morass with 6x the death rates from those he said he was helping.

As for businesses not hiring new employees is an easy on if you know economics. If I was the CEO of AT&T, I would hold on to our cash and not hire, even though the tax stabilization, but only through 2012, and more and more problems with ObamaCare, they need to have long term outlooks before we would expand and hire. As it is now, there is too much ambiguity to make long term plans.

The has happened every single time Keynesian Economics has been attempted, it has NEVER worked anywhere, ever!

JoyFulOne said...

War criminals are President's that lie to Congress and the American people to invade and occupy a country. Turned out there were no WMD's. There were no al-Qaeda in Iraq when we invaded, and Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. if it was for oil, the least the idiot could have done is get some oil. Daddy Bush didn't like Saddam and baby bush wanted to make Dad proud. bushtard used our anger and fear to weasel public support to invade and occupy Iraq. A President has a right to invade a country without Congressional approval in order to stop needless bloodshed. Then this President handed it over to the UN. There is a YouTube video with John McCain saying in regard to Iraq, oh, don't worry, we will be in and out of there in 6 months. Torture, Gitmo, etc. put a stain on this country that will take decades to clean up. That asshole managed to piss off most of the world with his stupid decisions. I give bush too much credit. bush was cheney's bitch. bush didn't have the brains to make any kind of decision except for what kind of alcohol he wanted to get drunk on every night. Worst President in my 54 years of life, that is for sure! bush was the 1st President in US history to be appointed President by the US Supreme Court in 2000 and I will die not knowing how he won the election in 2004. The only thing I can figure out is that we had a weak Democratic opponent and bushtard won by default. So please, do defend him. He will never be able to wash all the blood off his hands. If you look in the dictionary under evil, bush and cheny's pictures are there!

Ed Darrell said...

I got an e-mail notification of this remark, but I don't see it here. I wonder what's up.

War criminals are those who go to war without obtaining approval from the House of Representatives, Bush had the blessing of almost every democrat in both houses, I have posted what many of them said, and how they was 100% behind going to war in both Iraq and Afghanistan

Check the Geneva Accords. They talk about the conduct of war itself, torture, etc. -- and not about whether Congress made the declaration.

JoyFulOne said...

To Ed - You stated: War criminals are those who go to war without obtaining approval from the House of Representatives, Bush had the blessing of almost every democrat in both houses, I have posted what many of them said, and how they was 100% behind going to war in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yep, you are right. Most of Congress voted for the Iraq war, (except President Obama.) The catch is they voted on a flat out lie. The intelligence wasn't even in yet in regard to WMD's. Everyone was for going in to Afghanistan because we thought bin Laden was there. That was a joke and it took this President to track him down. When bush and cheney left office they didn't give a flying rats ass about bin Laden.

And on the subject of WMD's, that is not an excuse to invade a country. As I have said before, we might as well sent out a gold embossed invitation to every country to feel free to invade and occupy the U.S. if they think we have WMD's. We go to war when and ONLY when we are in imminent danger.

We lost world wide credibility because of that cluster fuck. And I challenge anyone to state what good has come out of us invading Iraq. Saddam? Sure he was evil, but that is why God invented revolutions. Please don't make excuses for bush and company. bush couldn't find his own ass with both hands.

War criminals kill civilians, torture, and detain people without due process.

Patriot55 said...

Joy, I have attempted too many times to discuss things with you, I have many times shown you proof, and still you will not believe indisputable facts and truths. People such as yourself who would believe or give you credit for your opinions; I have shown some of your posts to many of my Democratic friends. Even they think you are nuts.

YES, I have liberal friends; politics will NOT get in the way of my friendship(s), oddly enough many of those same friends work for capitalists firms or are CEOs and while they still like Obama, all agree that he is hurting the economy and wish he could understand how to increase jobs. Quite a few of us even donate and work for the same charities, some feel left behind because they are Christians and the president is pro Muslim. It is against the Constitution of discriminate against any religion.

There was without a doubt that Iraq was involved in giving al Qaeda large amounts of land to train on, Saddam had WMD’s and was working toward nuclear weapons, although the definition of WMDs are not only nuclear, they also include banned poison gases (Sarin and others), biological weapons are also considered WMDs. He murdered entire cities in his own country to test them, women, men of all ages…including babies and small children, at least 400,000 people dead!

You have fallen for the old “Say it enough times, and people will believe it” that so many democrats and media have practiced for years. I have asked you so many times to research the truth, which you can get from our own government through the Freedom of Information Act, but you would rather believe what you choose to believe. In my opinion you are stubborn and hateful and constantly put others down with NO FACTS to back up what you say, except on sites like MediaMatters (Soros funded), MoveOn and other hate filled liberal sites.

Patriot55 said...

@Ed, where was the Geneva Accord while I worked in Libya for six years and in my fourth year there, I stopped in the city of Sirte for fuel on a trip from the desert to Tripoli, a place where I had stopped hundreds of times and knew the benzene (Gasoline to them) and knew the attendant. While fueling my truck, the military police detained me and threw me in a dirt floor cell. I was accused of being a spy for Interpol, and tortured for three months. If water-boarding was the worst thing that they did to me I would have been happy. Some of what they did to me cannot be mentioned in a public forum, but I promise you, Geneva would have been shocked…speaking of shocked, I still have burn marks from electrical torture on my body which will never go away, drilled into my teeth and if that wasn’t bad enough, they poured cold water in my mouth to make the pain worse. My nose was broken over and over, ribs were broken and fractured, and so much more.

By the time I was broken out of prison and taken to Malta, was immediately taken to the hospital and did what they could for me. I then stayed with a German co-worker and his wife there in Malta where it was close to the doctor seeing me, he would come by daily, till I could fly again. When I landed in Dallas, my wife was shocked to see me in that condition as was my family, our company had informed them I was in prison and what I was accused of, and they all met me at the airport.

From the airport, my family had an ambulance waiting for me; I was taken to Baylor Medical Center in Dallas. They too were expecting me and took over a month to break and reset bones and mend the internal damages, not to mention the infections I had by that time.

And you want to preach to me about torture?

Our Libyan legal department (everyone has ties to others there) reported what had happened, they called me at home after seven months and told me they had a trial I must attend if I ever planned for any reason to re-enter the country. To my family’s dismay, I returned and stood trial, due to their international ties and embarrassment, by the end of the trial I was only charge with not having a Libyan driver’s license…Really??? My working papers and U.S. drivers license has always been accepted before, but I went and got one anyway, and worked there for two more years! I refused to be intimidated, period.

JoyFulOne said...

To Patriot: Ok, let's talk facts:
(Wikipedia)

Financial cost of War in Iraq to date: $3.2 Trillion.

*(Note: On March 16, 2003 Dick Cheney told Tim Russertt on Meet The Press that he thought the total cost of the Iraq war would be no more than $80 Billion)* Smart Man, and to think bush actually took his advise. Good God!

Estimated $1 Trillion costs for Iraq veterans through 2050.

U.S Troop deaths as of December, 2009: 4,267

Iraqi Civilian Deaths to date: 1,033,000

And yes, there are all sorts of WMD's. And many countries have various forms of them. Should we invade and occupy all of these countries because they MIGHT someday pose a threat? Iraq never was or is not now a threat to the United States. Like I said before, when we invaded Iraq it sent a message to the world to feel free to attack us if someday in the future we MIGHT pose a threat to that them.

The lesson I hope all future leaders learn is if you spend Trillions on the Military Industrial Complex, lower taxes when you start a war. (which is unheard of by the way), deregulate Wall Street and cross your fingers in hopes that the market will self correct, you will drive this country in to a depression. (Even Alan Greenspan had the balls to admit to God and everyone that he underestimated the crisis we were in!)

It is hard for the general public to understand what COULD have happened. The stimulus package saved us from a full blown depression and the reason the economy is still in the shitter and the unemployment is so low is because the stimulus was too small and a third of it was tax breaks. Again, it will take decades for the US to recover both financially and in world opinion thanks to bush and company. Worst President in US history. Again, please don't defend that evil man. Not to mention he is an idiot.

La Papillion said...

I think the most important lesson to learn from this cartoon is we must keep America first. It doesn't matter who is president or what party controls congress as long as they put their country ahead of the problems of the world. True, there are lots of them. But we need to bring our manufacturing home. We were a great country because we made things here. What do we make now???? Riots and news. We are not the worlds police department and we need to bring our boys home and get busy re building this country we all love. It is easy to nit pick but the bottom line is if we do not manufacture our own cars and appliances and guns and boots we become a country full of people who do nothing. Unfortunately that is what we are right now. Please help us to become a country known for their manufacturing and big heart. When we have money we can share it. When we are as broke as the rest of the world there is nothing to share. America 1st

Mike said...

Wow Bob you are brainwashed. Read the writing on the wall. Obama is out taking vacations and spending tax dollors as fast as he can. Taking down the American flag that fly's behind him during most of his press conferances. While Michelle bounces all over the world with 20 of her friends on the tax payers wallet. All these things cost Millions of dollors while most Americans can't pay thier Morgage or feed thier family.

JoyFulOne said...

Are you kidding Mike? Please fact check first! Thanks!

Q: Has President Obama taken more vacation time than his predecessors?

A: According to one count, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush spent more time on "vacation" during their first year than President Obama did. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton spent less time on "vacation."

Bush W.:

George W. Bush's vacation time (grand total)
487 days at Camp David
490 days at Crawford Ranch
43 days at Kennebunkport Compound

Total: 1020 days, more than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by president.

Carter took 79 days in 4 years.
Clinton took 152 days in 8 years.

Reagan took 335 days in 8 years.
Bush Sr. took 543 days in 4 years!

So much for the mythological Republican hard worth ethic.

Patriot55 said...

Well Joy, there you go again taking non-facts from some off the wall web site, likely from a blogger who doesn’t even know his own name, or you made them up. These numbers have been on four television stations and at least the NYT and you are so far off it is insane, but then again why should I doubt the insanity coming from who posted the vacation days.

Fact is, Bush took 160 days in EIGHT years, and many were at the Western White House where many world leaders preferred to go as they had been to the White House too often, and it was quiet and much more private. Obama has taken 61 days, plus the ten he is on now = 71 days in 2.6 years @ at Martha’s Vineyard no less. The numbers of vacation time came from usa.gov, which I tend to believe way more than the crap you posted.

In fact not a single one of the presidents vacations you listed are so far off, it only goes to prove you really enjoy propaganda and never actually looked for the proof of what some idiotic site or blogger says.

Even a dyed in the wool Liberal would laugh at your numbers, geez that is funny!

When I get back from Chemo, I may feel well enough to actually look up the governments own numbers.

Patriot55 said...

Well Joy, there you go again taking non-facts from some off the wall web site, likely from a blogger who doesn't even know his own name, or you made them up. These numbers have been on four television stations and at least the NYT and you are so far off it is insane, but then again why should I doubt the insanity coming from who posted the vacation days.

Fact is, Bush took 160 days in EIGHT years, and many were at the Western White House where many world leaders preferred to go as they had been to the White House too often, and it was quiet and much more private. Obama has taken 61 days, plus the ten he is on now = 71 days in 2.6 years @ at Martha’s Vineyard no less. The numbers of vacation time came from usa.gov, which I tend to believe way more than the crap you posted.

In fact not a single one of the presidents vacations you listed are so far off, it only goes to prove you really enjoy propaganda and never actually looked for the proof of what some idiotic site or blogger says.

Even a dyed in the wool Liberal would laugh at your numbers, geez that is funny!

If I feel up to it after today's Chemo,I will take the time to look up the Governments numbers.

JoyFulOne said...

Oh Patriot, there you go again! It is common knowledge that bushtard took 1/3 of his presidency off. Anyone who can actually defend bush on ANYTHING lives in a make believe world. Anybody who came after him would have to find a way to shoot the earth in to the sun to do any worse than that loser!

magistre said...

ReThugLickons are notorious for being alergic to facts and independent thought.

JoyFulOne said...

Patriot: If you could, please let me know the website where you are getting the lies from in regard to bush's vacation time. Would love to see it! Thanks!

Patriot55 said...

Can you not read? I told you the source, usa.gov, here is an abbreviated number of official days on vacation:

President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office.
Michelle Obama has taken 42 days of vacation by herself and/or with her children, to date.

George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings, including leaders of other nations which they preferred rather than the White House for more privacy.

Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Camp David is not counted among any Presidents.

I suppose ignorance is bliss, you have failed every time I have asked you to back up your ridiculous statements you call facts, in fact you and Obama have something in common, neither of you have ever told the truth, nor are either of you capable of the truth. Just as we have all found out that Factcheck.org, Snopes, and Wikipedia are all very unreliable, this was reported by the New York Times.

@magistre; I believe you have that statement bass-akwards!

Bush asked Congress for a $400 Million increase in the National Debt, Obama screamed the loudest of all, saying that raising the National Debt “should NEVER be done” and that such a request is “reprehensible and un-needed spending”.

Now, how many times and how much have Obama done so and how many Trillions? ($4.7 Trillion is how much he has spent in just 2.6 years.

Obama…first months in office…’We need to spend this $787 Billion to create jobs and not allow unemployment to go above 8%. Remember when the liberals screamed at Bush for having a whopping 5.6% unemployment in 2008? What was G.W.’s average unemployment rate over 8 years…4.8 his low was 4.2%!

I now believe Rep. Joe Wilson should be apologized to for yelling “YOU LIE” to Obama, he has been fully exonerated. I truly wish any politician or administration official who lies would get a taser like jolt, most all liberals would be unable to speak…even with a teleprompter.

Patriot55 said...

Can you not read? I told you the source, usa.gov, here is an abbreviated number of official days on vacation:

President Obama has taken 61 vacation days after 31 months in office.
Michelle Obama has taken 42 days of vacation by herself and/or with her children, to date.

George W. Bush had spent 180 days at his ranch where his staff often joined him for meetings, including leaders of other nations which they preferred rather than the White House for more privacy.

Ronald Reagan had taken 112 vacation days at his ranch.

Camp David is not counted among any Presidents.

I suppose ignorance is bliss, you have failed every time I have asked you to back up your ridiculous statements you call facts, in fact you and Obama have something in common, neither of you have ever told the truth, nor are either of you capable of the truth. Just as we have all found out that Factcheck.org, Snopes, and Wikipedia are all very unreliable, this was reported by the New York Times.

@magistre; I believe you have that statement bass-akwards!

Bush asked Congress for a $400 Million increase in the National Debt, Obama screamed the loudest of all, saying that raising the National Debt “should NEVER be done” and that such a request is “reprehensible and un-needed spending”.

Now, how many times and how much have Obama done so and how many Trillions? ($4.7 Trillion is how much he has spent in just 2.6 years.

Obama…first months in office…’We need to spend this $787 Billion to create jobs and not allow unemployment to go above 8%. Remember when the liberals screamed at Bush for having a whopping 5.6% unemployment in 2008? What was G.W.’s average unemployment rate over 8 years…4.8 his low was 4.2%!

I now believe Rep. Joe Wilson should be apologized to for yelling “YOU LIE” to Obama, he has been fully exonerated. I truly wish any politician or administration official who lies would get a taser like jolt, most all liberals would be unable to speak…even with a teleprompter.

JoyFulOne said...

WTF? Factcheck.org, Snopes, and Wikipedia are not reliable? OMG, you so obviously look and look until you find what you want to read. Maybe one of them is not reliable, maybe two. But all three. Come ON! I went to usa.gov and couldn't find anything about any Presidents vacation days!

Ed Darrell said...

Taking down the American flag that fly's behind him during most of his press conferances.

Not accurate.

JoyFulOne said...

Don't be alarmed Ed! Most of the stuff written on this blog from the right wingers is not accurate! They don't know what that means. Most of them are so brainwashed by watching Faux News, they have lost all sense of reality!

Patriot55 said...

Joy, would you like me to go into anyone of those sites and change their so-called facts, it really isn’t very difficult if one knows how, any of the Wikipedia is the easiest of all; an amateur can do that one, for the others all it takes is knowing what the source code is, then just make or change an entry…many sites just do not protect their code. It isn’t my problem if you do not know how to get around usa.gov, however it can also be found on Nexis-Lexis if you can find someone with access, or even government sites. Personally, I do not truse REpublican or DemocaticNow sites for the truth, ever...Now, if you don’t mind, I have a bit of chemo sickness and will be offline till tomorrow.

Ed Darrell said...

But if you can't give us a URL at USA.gov, then it's not a question of our being unable to get around there -- it's more likely that it doesn't exist there.

Why can't you give a URL?

magistre said...

I'm sorry, Patriot55, you're much too keen on yourself. And much too sure that you, and only you are "the guardian of The Truth".

Patriot55 said...

Apologies, that was www.lexisnexis.com/research , I had to look it up again on my ‘research drive’ and found it there, to use the site well, it helps to be familiar with all of the site, there are many master links covering a massive amount of information.
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@ JOY…However, I would appreciate where you came up with the stats you mentioned the following in your own words:

“Q: Has President Obama taken more vacation time than his predecessors?

A: According to one count, Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush spent more time on "vacation" during their first year than President Obama did. Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton spent less time on "vacation."

Bush W.:

George W. Bush's vacation time (grand total)
487 days at Camp David
490 days at Crawford Ranch
43 days at Kennebunkport Compound

Total: 1020 days, more than 1/3rd of his presidency. Bush set the record for most vacation time taken by president.

Carter took 79 days in 4 years.
Clinton took 152 days in 8 years.

Reagan took 335 days in 8 years.
Bush Sr. took 543 days in 4 years!

So much for the mythological Republican hard worth ethic.”
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*There is one other thing that Obama doesn’t get, and Bush did…After 9/11 he never played golf again, saying “I think playing golf in light of the situation in United States gives the President the appearance of not taking America’s problems seriously.”

Not to mention that Obama is the only president in modern history who usurped Congress, Congressional Bills passed or the defeated Democratic Bills.

motorpoodle said...

@Patriot - you said: "There is one other thing that Obama doesn’t get, and Bush did…After 9/11 he never played golf again”

He switched from golf to cycling and set the record for vacation days. How noble.

would you like me to go into anyone of those sites and change their so-called facts, it really isn’t very difficult if one knows how, any of the Wikipedia is the easiest of all; an amateur can do that one, for the others all it takes is knowing what the source code is, then just make or change an entry…many sites just do not protect their code.

As a web developer I can tell you that is a load of crap. You need an FTP address, username, and password. Go ahead and change something on Snopes site and put "from PAtriot55" by it. I'll wait.

Also here is the spending by Obama and Bush.

Papa said...

I wonder how all the hopey changey folks are feeling now in 2011. Still all Bush's fault I presume.

Mr. Regnad Kcin... you should have quit while you were a third eye. (look that up in your Wikipedia.)

Patriot55 said...

FYI…I have changed more so-called facts with the truth in Wikipedia, it isn’t funny!

@motorpoodle, yep you are correct on sites such as Snopes and some others, ‘if’ you are a web developer then you obviously know that user names and passwords are easy to figure out, Snopes uses code (JSP w/C++ as the base, and Oracle on top). Real identity can also be masked so well, they would have to trace 150 hops in different countries (back and forth) till it shows up in China, if they have enough knowledge, then it would show up as coming from an unknown user on the Airport’s Wi-Fi, or just drive around till one finds an unsecured router and a laptop only used for that those tasks purchased at a pawn shop (of course I would NEVER do anything of the sort)! And WHY in God’s name would anyone be stupid enough to use a known ID?

“@Brettsaid... (June 28, 2011) @ patriot55

http://mercatus.org/publication/spending-under-president-george-w-bush

I can't help it if the truth hurts.... Obama is going to look bad just for taking office after bush, and the republicans are not even going to try to take control back this election year, the don't want to. what better way to make the dems look bad than blocking them from fixing the bush errors?” ***

Veronique de Rugy on http://mercatus.org/publication/spending-under-president-george-w-bush (also mentions in her article “if this is true”, meaning she obviously did not verify her research, being a college professor does not mean it is the truth, does it?)

Lastly no one is going to change anyone else’s mind on a bloggers site, or anywhere else for that fact. All I wish is that the Lamestream Media would at the very least cover Obama as other Republican Presidents were, such as Vetting a nominee, tell the story of “Fast & Furious”, one of the DEA leaders involved has been let go, but still gets his perks, three were promoted to higher positions. Holder in a congressional hearing said he only became aware of the program for “a couple of weeks”…my butt!! The DEA cannot do something of that magnitude without the DOJ approving the operation, in fact, documents have been released now that he did in-fact sign off on Fast & Furious from the beginning, this man does not, nor will not tell the truth. Just more typical Chicago type politics. IF the intention was to track/trace these guns, why did they NOT have RFID chips in the guns? No way at all to trace these weapons, it was all a ploy to make it look as though these were being shipped by gun dealers from the U.S. so they could try and abolish the Second Amendment. Pardon the pun, but it backfired on them, didn’t it!!!

john said...
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john said...

Looks and sounds like a Tea Party propaganda film

"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

I wonder who said that???

iananamus said...

I'm thinking that the fingerpointing blame game is working perectly as it should. While the majority of these posts seem to focus on "personalities" to blame, no one but a few have eluded to the historical implications of where the "pressure from above" is really coming from. As Elliot Ness said, "Follow the money." So, after 100 years, our money management charter has finally been audited. I haven't heard a peep about this from either the blue or the red team and I've been purposfuly listenting to the "talk show pundits" who clain to be looking out for our interest by exposing the truth. I think all you true patriots, conservative or liberal, need to read this and download the link at the end of the page: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3
All this occured without any electoral oversite, jusicial, congressional, or executive. I think we missed the real ploy to take us (WE the People) down about a hundred years ago, so either we tap out, or pull the Ghandi Gambit on "them?" Yeshua would be proud.

JoyFulOne said...

To ian....I read the Bernie Sanders article and I copied and pasted a portion: An amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders to the Wall Street reform law passed one year ago this week directed the Government Accountability Office to conduct the study. "As a result of this audit, we now know that the Federal Reserve provided more than $16 trillion in total financial assistance to some of the largest financial institutions and corporations in the United States and throughout the world," said Sanders. "This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you're-on-your-own individualism for everyone else."

I am a little confused when you talk about the bailout. It was voted on. Let me know what you mean about Congress/Executive Order etc. in regard to this issue.

JoyFulOne said...

To John: You hit the nail on the head. Fear, fear, fear!

Patriot55 said...

I find it odd that I would somewhat agree with a self proclaimed Socialist, but Sanders is correct about the FED. It has taken at least two years of pressure from primarily republicans, plus some democrats (but not Liberals) in Congress to force them to finally open their books. Every time the Fed prints money we do not have, it devalues the dollar. I do believe this administration has failed in increasing regulations on business (capitalism) to ‘Crony Capitalism’ where they do not hold the Big Businesses they favor that to the same standards, by not holding those businesses to the same regulations other companies. Obama bailed out all these banks and loan institutions, now he wants to punish the banks and mortgage companies this time around…however exempt Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac. Get rid of the Freddie’s and shut them down, this is not all about the $787 Billion stimulus, much more stimulus is coming from the Fed and even more to international banks, not to mention the IMF.

When Moody’s and Fitch downgrade our triply A rating, Holder will have to drop the lawsuit against S&P. According to many economists are absolutely sure our economy is directly tied to Sub-Prime mortgages are responsible for the economical crash in 2008…The Frank-Dodd bill under Clinton is when it all began. I find it disingenuous that the administration upon their requests for stimulus money due to being forced to offer sub-prime mortgages, and this month they are now being blamed for what they were told. Then came ‘robo-signing to try and get a hold on the mortgages due to the fact that there were millions of these homes to people who would not qualify for ANY type of loan. The Freddie’s at first selling bad mortgages to banks, now having been told to buy them back.

Since the Government owns the Freddie’s therefore were not held accountable, when they should have been penalized and shut them down. ***Or as Sanders put it; “The Fed outsourced virtually all of the operations of their emergency lending programs to private contractors like JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, and Wells Fargo. The same firms also received trillions of dollars in Fed loans at near-zero interest rates. Altogether some two-thirds of the contracts that the Fed awarded to manage its emergency lending programs were no-bid contracts. Morgan Stanley was given the largest no-bid contract worth $108.4 million to help manage the Fed bailout of AIG.” (no-bid contracts, is that not what democrats were complaining about with Halliburton…which was not true).

The GAO has a comprehensive analysis here: http://sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/GAO%20Fed%20Investigation.pdf

Patriot55 said...

@JoyFulOne; “Let me know what you mean about Congress/Executive Order etc. in regard to this issue.”

If I understand what is trying to be said is, when the Congress (House of Representatives) passes a Law, or defeats a Law the democrats want, Obama is wrongly using the Executive Order, and using other agencies (such as the EPA…ect) to usurp Laws passed or defeated, Obama just has his way. When Cap and Trade failed to pass, it was just turned over to the EPA to enforce what Congress defeated.

The House of Representatives make our laws, this by no means it gives the administration the right to over-ride a bill based on the displeasure of something they disagree on, that in itself is wrong and dishonest.

Just for the record, the Liberals claiming that all the jobs created in Texas were all minimum wages is outrageous to say the least. Most of the 40%+ jobs created in the state, 72% were between $49,000 to $110,000 dollars per year w/no state taxes.

Now I realize they want Perry to look bad (as he is seen as a threat to Obama), lying about it is disgraceful. Most of the Private Sector jobs created in Texas were from larger corporations, many who have moved here from California and other states.

StephenWV said...

Why are we where we are today? Career Politicians and their greed for the personal, political, special interest agendas in Washington that trump the People's Agenda. Partiot55 is an obvious supporter of that agenda, as are the liberal posters (knowingly or unknowingly).

Patriot55 accused the Tea Party, and I suppose the Republican Tea Party supporters in Congress, of not compromising. Did You also refer to them as teenagers?

The Fact of the matter is that H.R. 2560, the so called Cut Cap and Balance Bill developed by Paul Ryan, which passed the House on July 19, WAS A MAJOR COMPROMISE.
1. It raised the debt limit by 2.6 trillion
2. It exempted the direct cash outlays to medicare, Social Security, and Veteran Program recipients and interest payments on the debt. (It is an absolute LIE that it cuts these benefits to the needy, elderly and veterans.
3. It limits military spending on the war on terror for 2012 to $126.5 Billion.
4. It limits all other discretionary spending for 2012 to $680.7 Billion.
4. it allows the spending in subsequent years to grow as GDP grows.
5. It requires the passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment to balance the budget in 10 years with the exemptions and growth as described above.
6. It requires 2/3 vote to raise taxes.

The Senate Leader Reid would not even consider discussion of a compromise of the House passed Tea Party Republican compromise. He threw the bill out. The liberals had the audacity to lie and say the Tea Party Republicans would not compromise. And the MSM and Career Politician Republicans (patriot55 included) went along with the lie.

Additionally as to the Career politicians on both sides calling "childish" the December 2010 proposal from the Tea Party for $100 Billion in 2011 cuts, THIS WOULD HAVE TOTALLY AVOIDED AN AUGUST 3, 2011 DEBT DEADLINE AND THE SUBSEQUENT S&P DOWN GRADE. I ask you who was being responsible and who was being childish? The $100 Billion happens to be roughly equal to the March 2011 GAO report of duplication and waste found in 1/3 of the discretionary spending accounts. The career politicians ignore this as it is their political power fiefdoms.

In June we heard Obama talk of $4 Trillion in cuts over 10 years. Boehner talked of $5 Trillion over 10 years. The Childish Tea Party Republicans talked of a balanced budget in 10 years. The Obama - Boehner "compromise $2.1 Trillion in cuts in 10 years. COMPROMISE? How is $2 -$3 Trillion MORE spending than their June proposals a COMPROMISE? It is not. It is the behind closed door trading of career politicians whose Personal, Political, Special interest Agendas trump the People's Agenda. Neither wants the Tea Party to end their fiefdoms of power that is the waste in government.

If everything goes well (and it never does) under the “compromise” the debt will rise to $23 trillion, with no sign of slowing down. Currently the 14.3 trillion debt = $150,000 per family. In ten years the $23 trillion debt = $250,000 per family. In 20 years, it willm likely be $500,000 per family. I do not want to have to answer my grand children when they ask “Granddad, what were you thinking when you selfishly, irresponsibly over spent and left us with YOUR obscene, impossible debt to repay?”

We need elected officials that actually want what is best for the people and the country. Those that support the career politicians and their Agendas, do not believe that such people exist BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES ARE SO CORUPTED. They believe everyone else must also be.

On the far left there is total government control as in a dictator or Communism called Tyranny. On the far right there is no government called Anarchy. Our Founding Fathers, doing what was actually best for the people, created the Constitution right in the middle. Not too much government, not too little. Those that would call a move back to the original intent of the Constitution a far right movement, shows just how far left they really are.

Patriot55 said...

@StephenWV, I think you misunderstood my message, perhaps you should read many, many more of my posts, and not to mention I am a Tea Party member here in Houston, you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone more conservative than myself! What I was saying about compromise was in my opinion was referring to the first Bill the Tea Party members in the House voted against was the $4.7 Trillion in cuts, which in-fact actually did more for ourselves (I am a strict Constitutionalist) and our party. It had no tax increases through the end of 2013, Entitlement reform and so much more…such that many Liberals would have been steaming angry, especially Labor Unions, illegal’s..ect!

As a matter of fact, we agree almost 100% on everything you have said, and on this very site have called for extreme limited government, get the criminals out of Washington including Obama, Holder, Sunstein (supposedly a Constitutional Scholar), and just clean house then prosecute all of them. The EPA and many other useless government agencies be dissolved, they just have too much power. When Cap and Trade were defeated, Obama just handed it off to the EPA, now we are shipping our coal to China. Obama’s Green Jobs plan is complete crap, all the supposed jobs have already been move to China as well, the Solar Panel Company he was pushing went bankrupt, many of the solar farms do not even have collectors as is the same with wind farms, this country is no less than 50 years away. We need to drill everywhere there is oil, natural gas, continue with clean coal.

Obama and his cronies complain about some of our big business overseas, some of that is survival of the company, when he turns the other cheek, he himself is shipping more and more jobs overseas, and the man is a walking contradiction. Just as with Clinton allowing Loral to go to China to help them with guidance systems for the “rockets placing satellites in space”, are they too stupid to realize that technology can be used for WMD’s? Is having Jeffery Immelt working in the White House a contradiction in terms, he not only used their plant in England to send technology to Iran, but just built a new airline manufacturing facility just outside of Beijing. This is a slap in the face of Boeing for wanting to build a plant in S.C., a Right to Work State! Not to mention that G.E. will ‘not’ have to pay a dime in taxes! The only thing we need to reforms on is Government itself…

I am sick of the Christian bashing, while pampering Islam including the fact that we are not allowed to mention God, much less pray in schools and other events, although at the same time allowing Muslim children in school to pray to Allah three out of the five prayers per day. I shudder every time I hear or read the words “Social Justice” (a form of Marxism), National Health Care, Crap & Trade, “Stimulus”, political correctness run amuck, gun reform, Regulations (way too much).

As Thomas Jefferson famously said, “When the People rule the Government you have freedom, when the Government rules the people, there is tyranny”.

JoyFulOne said...

To Patriot! Where you ever blogging about what kind of criminals bush and cheney were? Cause they are war criminals and mass murderers. NO President could out do those two.!

Patriot55 said...

Yawn...One should not judge without knowing the truth, such as the 9/11 Commission Report, led by a Liberal!!!

Just for the record, when Bush was on the USS Ronald Reagan and declared victory, he was 100% correct, after the capture of Saddam Hussein...That was the goal, and it succeeded...The al QAueda kept attacking civilians, we did what we could to stop such carnage, or do you believe we should have let them have the country and massacre the citizens?

When Japan attacked Peal Harbor, and killed fewer people than on 9/11, did FDR go to war?

End of Subject

JoyFulOne said...

To Patriot! WTF? Get Saddam was the goal? Ummmm! I thought it was weapons of mass destruction. It is NOT up to the United States to police the world and make sure they have the leaders we want. If a country doesn't like their leaders, have a revolution. The US has acted like a bully long enough. Pretty soon we are going to get our asses handed to us and we are going to wonder why. China could kayak over here and kick our asses. The American "exceptionalism" is dead, gone, and buried. bushtard made sure of it! Please Patriot. We all would have a lot more respect for the GOP is they admitted their mistakes and moved forward. bush and cheney were the worst in my 53 years of life! For sure!

Patriot55 said...

Joy,read the dammed 9/11 report so you do not look like an idiot, the U.S. destroyed 5,000 tons of WMD's including some yellow cake uranium and centrifuge parts...geez what a moron!

Sally said...

Christopher seems to forget that Nazism was the National Socialist party of Germany, which is about as fascist as you can get.

The most concise definition of socialism that I could find is "a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state." (GM, Chrysler, etc.)

Fascism is the "centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition." (Czars and executive orders making Congress irrelevant?)

The definitions of these words have been twisted by liberals in order to attribute them to conservatives, who are for free markets, entrepreneurship, capitalism etc. In other words, all of the qualities that have made the U.S. the economic powerhouse of human history.

I guess what Obama meant by "change" was to kill the goose that laid the golden egg and replace it with something like this cartoon was portraying.

JoyFulOne said...

Patriot! You are the one looking like an idiot! I DID read the 9.11 report, quite dry reading really. It is a book. Here is a quote from AP:

WASHINGTON — In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.

Nice try though Patriot. We THOUGHT they had WMD's, but when we invaded Iraq, the final CIA report hadn't even been submitted to bushtard. Read the bush's history with Saddam. Baby bush wanted Daddy Bush to be proud. 5,000 of our troops dead, over a million innocent Iraqi civilians dead and trillions spent, and for what? NOTHING! Saddam was NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Please oh please quit defending the stupidity of bush. He was as worthless as they come! He was an alcoholic idiot! I can't believe I am wasting my time on that idiot!

motorpoodle said...

@Papa - You said "I wonder how all the hopey changey folks are feeling now in 2011. Still all Bush's fault I presume."

What's still all Bush's fault?

@Patriot55 - you said "yep you are correct on sites such as Snopes and some others, ‘if’ you are a web developer then you obviously know that user names and passwords are easy to figure out"

I know you'd like to dismiss facts as being planted by a hacker but usernames and passwords are not easy to figure out. Especially if you follow easy guidelines when picking them. Please change something on Snopes and report back.

motorpoodle said...

@Sally - The Nazis were far right.

"Far right, extreme right, hard right, radical right, and ultra-right are terms used to discuss the qualitative or quantitative position a group or person occupies within right-wing politics. The terms are often used to imply that someone is an extremist. The terms have been used by different scholars in somewhat conflicting ways.[1]


Far right politics commonly involve supremacism — a belief that superiority and inferiority is an innate reality between individuals and groups — and a complete rejection of the concept of social equality as a norm.[2] Far right politics often support segregation; the separation of groups deemed to be superior from groups deemed to be inferior.[2] Far right politics also commonly include authoritarianism, nativism, racism and xenophobia.[3]
The ideologies usually associated with the far right include fascism, Nazism and other ultra-nationalist, religiously extreme or reactionary ideologies.[4][5][6][7][8]
The term radical right refers to sections of the far right that promote views which are very conservative in traditional left-right terms, but which aim to break with prevailing institutions and practices.[9]"


Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and the KKK are also far right.

sid2iu said...

You know we can blame people all we want but the truth we need to blame ourselves cause WE THE PEOPLE do NOT get active enough in how our countries run.

I just wonder how many of you remember the **Barter* system? or that what works we always abandon because why "We always have to move with the times".

We can always try to change the government like in Sylvia Browne's prediction "That the USA is run by the three branches of Government and there is NO PRESIDENT at all" but seriously people how about we try to give solutions more instead of complaining.

YOU should be responsible for YOU and NOT the government so get up and stand up and take back YOUR country!!

JoyFulOne said...

Sid - You wrote:
YOU should be responsible for YOU and NOT the government so get up and stand up and take back YOUR country!!

WTF? Everybody IS responsible for themselves. When you and the Tea Party say we need to take our country back, I have to laugh. Back to where? 1950? There is NO going back. The GOP lives in some kind of dream land when it comes to this. Just look what happened when bush was President. No regulation, no nothing. And now we find ourselves in a hole like no other. We will never go back to where we do deals on a handshake. GREED has won.

JoyFulOne said...

Thanks Motorpoddle for making sense on this crazy site!

sid2iu said...

"WTF? Everybody IS responsible for themselves. When you and the Tea Party say we need to take our country back, I have to laugh. Back to where? 1950? There is NO going back. The GOP lives in some kind of dream land when it comes to this. Just look what happened when bush was President. No regulation, no nothing. And now we find ourselves in a hole like no other. We will never go back to where we do deals on a handshake. GREED has won."

This statement is the very reason NONE of us can get along - I am a CONTSITUTIONALIST not a Democrat, NOT a REPUBLICAN but a CONSTITUTIONALIST and the way I see it neither party wants to work things out instead they want to destroy this country and you know WHEN IS EVERYONE going to stop blaming BUSH for this mess it is every president who has ever served and you know this country is in the debt that it is in becuase YOU allow the politicians of the country to get paid during and after they served - YOU can NOT always depend on the government to pay your way through life and that is what OBAMA is trying to do REMOVE SELF RESONSILBILITY from the PRIVATE SECTOR and causing all citizens to live the socialistic life - America died 100's of years ago as far as I am concerned - To depend on the government you might as well sign your soul to Satan - Oh that's right everybody did!!

Let's all keep going to the government instead of getting off our a** and doing for ourselves - yes, let's all steal money from those who work really hard - that seems to be the America today!!

JoyFulOne said...

To Sid! Blame bush? For as long as we are suffering from his total lack of concern for domestic issues. You have no regulation, start a needless $3 TRILLION dollar war then lower taxes on the wealthiest, (which is unheard of during wartime), and YES, he is to blame for a lot of things. He TRASHED America's world wide opinion of us, i.e. torture, Gitmo, etc. and on and on. Anyone who took office after him would have to make the earth fly in to the sun to do any worse. I am 53 and have NEVER seen worse. I liked Reagan, at least he wasn't a freak like the 2012 GOP candidates. Good Lord man!

Patriot55 said...

sid2iu, I for one certainly agree with taking responsibility for your own actions, many of us do not have any outstanding credit, unlike our government, and we pay our bills ahead of time. If I cannot afford something, I do not buy it anyway and go into debt, do not borrow money from anyone or a bank, if for some reason people have problems and cannot pay their credit card, they should cut it up, period.

This government needs to learn this very basic lesson, and we would not be in the mess he has created (actually the Dodd-Frank Bill) is what cost Bush so dearly. Every time the Republicans tried to stop Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac and would not take responsibility and ‘damned’ the regulations on housing and sub-prime mortgages. There are people on this very site whom you have engaged in, actually believe Bush borrowed money from China, and here we have the president of the U.S. selling America out to the Chinese.

As I have mentioned here and other places, I want a ‘Constitutionalist Party’ rather than Republican/Tea Party. Switching to borders, if you cross the North Korean border illegally, you get 12 yrs hard labor. If you cross the Mexican border illegally, you go to jail and eventually will be deported…that is your ONLY warning, same as the Afghan border illegally, you get shot. Two Americans just got eight years for crossing the Iranian border. If you come into the US illegally you get a job, a drivers license, benefits (better than us natives) a place to live, health care, housing & child benefits, education, plus many extras. No wonder we are a country in debt.

We should do away with the 18th amendment, it was put there for slave babies so they could be considered U.S. citizens, not illegal aliens, since there are no longer any slaves, why is the law still on the books? This only serves to put more people who depend on the government, Obama is telling companies that they NEED to hire illegal aliens rather than giving those jobs to the ones already out of work, or returning soldiers. We are following the California method, in which a blind man can see that they are so far in debt (the worst in all 50 states, 58 if you are Obama), without major reforms, once again they will be dependent on the government. If it were me, I would tell them; “You got yourself into trouble, get yourself out!

The problem with Keynesian economics is 1) It has never, ever worked, 1) Keeps people in debt and the country…too much Big Labor and we will need to implement Austerity measures…which I believe we should be doing now. It is imperative we have a change to a fiscally responsible government.

Earl said...

good video.

lots of good and bad comments.

now i give my opinions:

A. Anti-Federalist Party needs to come back

B. Illegal immagration IS ILLEGAL.(GO ARIZONA!!!)

C. Oboma is illegal immagrant
1. Birthcertificate was lost in fire.
2. One on govenment website is badly faked. (seriously 20 mins and i could have made him a better one)
3. if he came here legally there would be records. (thus making him and illegal immagrant)

D. The U.S.A. has no national language (back on page one it was mentioned)

E. God is God, I think he has the big picture.

F. Oboma is not our biggest problem. (anyone remember what came before Hitler? A weak socialistic leader.)

G. Oboma is Pro-Socialism. (he has stated so himself)

H. Any one who feels the need to claim i am sexist or racist needs to:
1. vote for weman's right to be drafted
2. find out my race.
3. read some irish history
4. realize:
a. England tried to exterminate them.
b. Organized religion tried to destroy them.
c. They were treated worse that the slaves in America when they arrived.
d. nobody came to their aide, or gave them special rights to make up for it.
e. we survived and so will you.
5. feel bad about it for a moment, then move on and never mention racism again.

I. Oboma freed many of us from our pledge of aleagence by stating that this is not a country under God.

J. Socialism always works, in a PERFECT, completely UNSELFCENTERED, loving world. As seen in life and these comments, that is not this world.

K. Anyting past "K" would be pointless since most of stoped reading already.

L. you should think for yourself about these topics and many others. Don't believe what you're told, believe what you know to be true.

M. "God loves us and wants up to be happy." Benjamin Franklin

THANKS TO ALL THE TROOPS OUT THERE, SORRY ABOUT YOUR COMANDER IN CHIEF, HOPEFULLY WE'LL DO BETTER NEXT TIME.

sid2iu said...

JoyFulOne "Good Lord man!" Sorry but I am a woman NOT a man!! And it was OBAMA who put this HUGE debt on the backs of AMERICA not BUSH with OBAMA's spending out of control and his attitude that his word is final despite what all other politicians say, It would not surprise me that in 6 to 10 years we will be even higher in debt, then what?! As far as the wealthy, Why should they have to have to take the burden of supporting the lazy American's who abuse the government for their own purpose's? It's not right and it immoral to FORCE the wealthy to be responsible for all those whether they are actual people who can not help themselves or they are people who are just lazy. This GOVERNMENT needs to STOP stealing money from the really hard working people and learn how to budget. The worst thing the forefathers did to the Constitution was allowing that any amendment can be abolished or altered - Me personally I really hate where America is going and unfortunetly I see it going right back to where it began - before the Constitution was created and before we settled here on Native American's land. The best thing for this contry is for everyone to start using COMMON SENSE and if they don't know how LEARN!!

Patriot55 said...

sid2iu…Finally, another voice of reason and common sense... It would seem many who will not acknowledge the real truth’ of our country’s current situation. I yearn for the days when a person’s word or hand shake was as good as money, no need to lock your doors at night, teachers taught real history and they were good all around. It was required to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag each morning, or pray without worrying about being taken to court for practicing Free Speech. Blacks were too proud to take government money and were better educated without throwing money at a problem which was not needed, only those who could not work. Only men and women or their spouses should have the ability to draw what they paid into the system. No one had to worry about voter fraud, as researchers from both sides of the isle concluded there were 1.3 million invalid votes (to date) in the 2008 Presidential race. Today many Liberal States send out Military ballots with not enough time to get back in time to be counted, while some just refuse to count them, period.

We were dirt poor when I was young, Pops worked no less than two jobs at any given time, he as I would never take government assistance. I have had some really crappy jobs (often under the minimum wage) and was happy to have any job, in fact I have never “not” had a job of some sort.

When the President of the United States followed the Constitution and the laws of the U.S.A., regardless of which party was in the WH. Things might still be that way today had Kennedy not been assonated, then LBJ could not have escalated the war in Vietnam since he had began a withdrawal of troops. That would have stopped the ‘60’s idiots from causing the problems who are now in power. The Frank-Dodd bill has destroyed housing with sub-prime mortgages, why in God’s name would we be giving mortgage loans to those who cannot make rent? This president has already violated 12 violations, which each one is an impeachable offence, and no one seems to care, the American Dream is quickly coming to an end due to Unions and uncontrolled spending.

mdubjordansr said...

This decline started in 1964. Lyndon Johnson, with the help of Republicans,put into place the very programs which are now at a breaking point
I am sick of the "needy" moniker being painted with a broad brush. There are two types of needy. Those who need because they CAN'T do for themselves and those who need because they WON'T.
Take a look at our poverty level....we have the wealthiest poor in the entire world ! Have you ever been to third world countries like Egypt,Libya,parts of Mexico and Central America?
They have real, grinding poverty.Those are the types of people who need help from somewhere.
This President is bent on making the USA a sub-standard State such as those in the E.U.
When 47% of the population have no "skin in the game", why the hell do they care about who runs this country as long as the benefits keep on rolling in. And, when that number gets to about 60%, and it will very soon,who do you think will have the largest block of votes in this country?
Then, we will ALL be in unions. Assigned our own union ID #'s and our own union jobs regardless of self choice.
Then, the thugs like those of the longshoremen on the west coast and idiots like James Hoffa will ensure the equality of all of us in a manner similar to the current Chinese Government.
Jimmy Carter did not do this,nor Ronald W. Reagan, nor Bill Clinton, nor G.H.W. Bush, nor G.W. Bush.
We have done this to ourselves by allowing our hearts to rule our heads. By electing politicians whose only goal is to maintain the status quo so as not to lose their office.
If this fool gets re-elected, we, the American people, will have had 100's of thousands of men and women who died in vain while giving the ultimate sacrifice for the longevity of this country as the brightest shining beacon of freedom on this planet
I, for one, vow that WILL NOT HAPPEN because of me!
The novelty of the last election for President has worn off. Let's find a man or woman, black, white, yellow or green who is willing to lose his job in order to get this country back where it belongs.
If we choose not to,we will do as Lincoln said. We will die from within.

rindy said...

I work at a SENIOR CENTER...Im taking this to them...see if they remember this one...most probably will.....Id like to get their response....it was their era..

Bill said...

I Believe:
* In closing our boarders
* IN English Only as our language
* In The Fair Tax
* In All religions except Muslim.
If that's your choice then live
where it's the law... I don't
want my head cut off by your
Extremists
* In the Constitution of the USA..
GO TEA PARTY!!!
* I have many more like minded
opinions but this will do 4 now.

sid2iu said...

Bill, no offense but the first amendment says FREEDOM OF RELIGION not FREEDOM OF RELIGION WITH EXCEPTIONS - Muslims have the right to worship who they will. Learn tolerance, after all this is the land of the free NOT the land of exceptions - and I see a lot of Christians who claim to be Christians but truly they are NOT - Like I said Learn Tolerance - People have their rights as long as they do NOT harm anyone and the last time I checked NOT all Muslims harmed people so give those loving Muslims a break Okay Bil?!!

FAST EDDIE said...

Sure this country was founded by "Christians" the same that Slaughtered the Indians and gave them small pox blankets.NicE Christians that they were. YOU HAVE TO remember History as it teaches what to do and what NOT TO DO...

Patriot55 said...

To previous comments I made in regards to Snopes being a leftist site, new info..."Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Courts Kagan

We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes!
You don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'?

We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros!
Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of Obama! In my Search for the truth department, I find what I have suspected on many occasions.
I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets. So I went to the Supreme Court site, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what?

Yep you got it; Snopes Lied!
Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote to Snopes: Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barak Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to.
I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You, I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I doubt it. That being said, I'll bet you didn't know this. Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship.

Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and it just goes on and on and on. Once gain the US Senate sold us out! Now we know why Obama nominated Elana Kagan for the Supreme Court. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama.

She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer.

It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone who really has no true right to even be there. Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket:
You can look up some of these hearings and guess what?
Elana Kagan is the attorney representing Obama!

Check out these examples:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm
http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm

If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete. However, if you hold sacred the freedoms granted to you by the U.S. Constitution. There truly is tyranny afoot.

motorpoodle said...

Geez Patriot. It only took me about 30 seconds to prove you a liar. Do a little research next time.

Found info here.


CLAIM: Snopes.com is 'owned by a flaming liberal' with a partisan bias.


First off, it's clear that whoever wrote this piece made it up as they went along. Anyone who has spent even a few minutes browsing Snopes.com knows that the website is owned by two people, not one. They are husband and wife David and Barbara Mikkelson of southern California. This is stated on the website and has been common knowledge for quite some time.

Second, the charge of partisanship is laid without evidence. At no time have the Mikkelsons publicly stated a political preference or affiliation, or expressed support for any particular party or candidate.

Moreover, Barbara Mikkelson is a Canadian citizen, and as such cannot vote in U.S. elections or contribute to political campaigns. In a statement to FactCheck.org, David Mikkelson said his "sole involvement in politics" is voting on election day. In 2000 he registered as a Republican, documents provided to FactCheck.org show, and in 2008 Mikkelson didn't declare a party affiliation at all. Says Mikkelson: "I've never joined a party, worked for a campaign, or donated money to a candidate" (source: FactCheck.org).

Anyone who claims proof to the contrary needs to come out with it.

NOTE ON GEORGE SOROS: A later variant of this rumor alleges, without evidence, that Snopes.com is financed by liberal philanthropist and hedge fund tycoon George Soros. This is false. The website is entirely self-supporting through advertising sales.

Ed Darrell said...

"Everyone of those dockets are there."

Yes, every docket is there. And in those cases where the defendant was the U.S. government, in a claim that the government somehow failed in an imaginary duty to keep Obama off a ballot somewhere, the Solicitor General of the U.S. defended the U.S. -- not Obama. Obama wasn't being sued in most cases.

So it would be accurate to say that Solicitor General Kagan would be named as the counsel for the defendant -- the defendant being the U.S.

One case actually named Obama as a defendant. The private firm that handled legal matters for the Obama campaign moved to have it dismissed, and it was.

If you carefully read those dockets, you'll notice that it was the Supreme Court which chose not to hear the cases, not the Solicitor General. In those meetings at the Supreme Court, attorneys are not allowed. For your bizarre claim to be accurate (and others have already pointed out how completely imaginary your Soros claims are), you're arguing that Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia are wholly-owned Obama operatives.

Would you like to buy some magic beans, too, Jack?

Frederick said...

I read through the comments about this cartoon and one thing comes to mind is that we all have the right to speak our minds about it. This is freedom in it's most fundimental respect. This country is in trouble ! Lets not blame it on one person but on the many that contibuted to it's demise. The Bernie Madoffs, the bankers that allowed the fraudulent mortages, the presidents wife that took a job and was paid a considerable salary for her soon to be president husband while the job didn't exist before her and was desolved after she left, and now the presidents brother in law was about to be fired from his position at the university he worked at and mysteriously the government awards the university many millions of our tax dollars, and guess what the brother in law gets to keep his job! Why aren't the people responsible for this mess held accountable????? Why aren't all of the bankers and wall street people that packaged these worthless mortgage back securities being held accountable? It seems the higher the position the less likely you are to be prosecuted for anything! These guys are criminals of the worst kind, from the president on down! All of this legislative BS about illegal aliens ...... THEY ARE ILLEGAL, why doesn't anyone get that .....the word IS ILLEGAL !!!!! They shouldn't be here and WE SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING OUR HARD EARNED MONEY ON THEM !!!! This is America, learn english or leave, abide by our laws or leave !We owe these people NOTHING !!!! My grandparents, parents and my self have worked hard all our lives for the betterment of AMERICANS, NOT ILLEGALS ALIENS ! Obama has to go, that is without question, he is a disgrace to his race and to the American people! We need major change and that doesn't mean making our government larger, it means making our government smaller and less into our everyday affairs. I would love to work for a company that gives me all types of benifits and I could work a few years and retain my salary and beifits till the end of time ..... WHAT A MARVELOUS JOB that would be. Public service should be an honor, and a privilage allowed to those that prove their worth to THIS country and those people that pay their salaries.

pwest80303 said...

Waaaaay too Hokey, Sorry There's just too many holes in the thing to really apply today. The commentary on those could go on forever. And shortly after we had McCarthy-ISM. An attempt to protect us fromn another ism.......
Love to help you justify this but I'm afraid we're going to have to look forward and re-invent our country not look back and lament.
C'mon, Let's do it ! !

pwest80303 said...

Waaaaay too Hokey, Sorry There's just too many holes in the thing to really apply today. The commentary on those could go on forever. And shortly after we had McCarthy-ISM. An attempt to protect us fromn another ism.......
Love to help you justify this but I'm afraid we're going to have to look forward and re-invent our country not look back and lament.
C'mon, Let's do it ! !

JoyFulOne said...

To Sid~
When President Obama took office two years ago, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. It now stands at $14.071 trillion. bush started 2 wars and lowered taxes which is unheard of. As for taxes on the wealthy? All we want is for them to pay their fair share. They haven't been for 50 years, their tax rate has never been lower. If anyone thinks that taxing big corporations kills jobs is higher than a kite. The bush tax cuts have been in instituted for a long time and where are the jobs? All that happens is CEO's make millions and ship our jobs overseas. So, don't blame President Obama for the cluster fuck we are in. Total disregard for domestic issues and starting needless wars was and is our problem. Ridiculous!

The Shootist ~ Yer 1 Stop Gun Shop! said...

We remember seeing this last year, thanks to a good friend/customer of ours for making sure we got it at: www.TheShootistGuns.com

Barb said...

I hope the 2012 version ends like this 1948 one!

RichFromShowMe said...

This is the lesson obama and his minions missed when they were given their University degrees ☺

motorpoodle said...

What lesson did they miss exactly?

K Ricco said...

Wake up and smell the coffee.. turn the light on. We have more unemployment, more forclosures, more robbing the seniors who have paid and earned thier SS only to feed and help those who are to lazy to be responsible for what they are getting and will continue to get under this President.. Hello...take money from his pocket and see how soon things would change.. but will not happen his wallet is padded for life thanks to all of you who voted for him. Shame on you..

Unknown said...

To think I was only 7 years old when this cartoon was made and I was fortunate enough to be born in the greatest country that was ever founded.

As I think back to my childhood years, and for the life of me I can not ever remember my folks sitting around arguing over politics. They were too busy trying to figure out where they could find another field of potatoes, cotton or other farm crops to pick in order to feed the family. The bottom line was there was no welfare or means of support other than the gifts the good Lord gave them.

It is a shame to see so many of us willing to give up our freedoms because of a bunch of swindlers we have elected to represent us. I am only glad I am on my way out and hopefully will not live long enough to see our country become a socialist or even worse a communist coutry.

I can only hope like in the cartoon, we in our country only taste some of the bitter fruits of socialism and then throw it away before we become a complete socialist country.

motorpoodle said...

@K Ricco - You said "Wake up and smell the coffee.. turn the light on. We have more unemployment, more forclosures, more robbing the seniors who have paid and earned thier SS only to feed and help those who are to lazy to be responsible for what they are getting and will continue to get under this President.."

I don't know why you're so in the dark that you didn't notice that the economy, the unemployment, and the foreclosures all started under the last president and not this president. Also what is this "robbing the seniors you're referring to? You realize it's the democrats that do everything they can to protect SS and republicans are the ones that want to do away with it? Seriously, how did you get so misinformed?


@Unknown - You said "It is a shame to see so many of us willing to give up our freedoms because of a bunch of swindlers we have elected to represent us."

What freedoms did we give up exactly? Hopefully you're referring to the freedoms the republicans take from us with things like the Patriot Act and how they want to limit the freedoms of Americans based on sexual preference or religion or other bigotry?

"I am only glad I am on my way out and hopefully will not live long enough to see our country become a socialist or even worse a communist coutry."

What exactly is this socialism communism in this country that someone has fear mongered you into being so afraid of? Could you be more specific?

It seems you don't realize that our country was founded as a mixed system and has had socialized institutions from the beginning like roads, military, post office, fire and police departments.

Are you afraid of the fire department too?

c2aggie said...

Short memory. This is a cartoon about the fear of totalitarianism and communism. Remember it is 1948 when produced. However it does point out the culture of our society at that time: racism, sexism, WASP attitude, religious intolerance . So what is new? We have not learned. We still have all of those attitudes. When is society in the US going to grow up and mature? Our educational system is poor, relatively speaking, not just in science and math but also in history, geography and economics. With the cutting of education budgets we are dumbing down America. Why? So the deep money pockets of this country through their representatives at all levels of government can maintain the power that the dollar buys in this country. As uneducated people continue to increase in this country and the middle class continues to shrink (which by the way provides the money to the wealthy and big business) this nation, which has so much going for it will become either a third world nation and/or a revolution will occur.

Mario said...

This is not really a criticism of an "ism" as much as it is an example of ignorance and black & white thinking. It's a partial truth to the extent that no "ism" is a panacea. This much is true. However, the cartoon seams to see the nature of governmental involvement in a very unrealistic and black & white nature. This view is not compatible with what is going on in current day politics.

Currently, we have the rare opportunity to use government as a tool of service. This is called a "Social Contract", and it is a very beneficial thing to have. It can, for example, stop gross injustices, and protect the environment from the destructive symptoms of capitalism. I'm not suggesting that capitalism is bad, just that it has some negative consequences that, luckily, can be regulated by the government.

In conclusion, we need to use logic and genuine concern to decide what governmental involvement best serves society. We must be careful not to see everything as good or bad, black & white. Most of life occurs in the grey area's, and I believe that is where the solution lies.

Most of us, I believe, have held our political views for our entire life. I urge anyone who has never changed your political views to rethink and relook at your life and views. Are you simply restating the same opinions over and over again without introspection? Are you jumping on the band wagon because it feels good to agree with others? Think about it.

dailyl said...

Only one problem with this cartoon message: after several decades of deregulation and letting our corporate brothers essentially have their way, we are in dire straits!

Lou Daily

Kathryn said...

I am assuming all the hopey changey folks are on Wall Street protesting, so have missed this 'toon. I think it hilarious that they protest Wall Street, when it is Baaney Fwank and his buddies at Fannie & Freddie that started this mess on the fast track. Ever since LBJ's "Great Society" we have been inching towards "ISM". I hope the fact that Obozo is proving to be the dismal failure I knew he'd be (yes - I looked beyond the "FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT" bull and checked his qualifications and background as too few people did; they were too busy drinking the kool-aid) we may have (I hope) enough momentum pushing AGAINST it to avert total disaster.

For those of you who are too busy screaming "sexism" and complaining that all they mention in this film is
Christianity - will you for the love of Pete remember it was the 1940s?!? Fortunately for them, people weren't so damned thin skinned.

GUT IT UP PEOPLE. As this film foretold, too many have drunk the "ISM" kool-aid. It's gonna be a bumpy ride out of the pit - bumpy and a lot of hard work.

God Bless America

motorpoodle said...

Hey Kathryn - What specifically is this -ISM instances that you're hoping people push against?

The disaster happened under Bush and we've been trying to repair the damage from his failed policies for a long time now. It's been a long bumpy ride.

I notice you speak in a lot of generalities as if you've been drinking some kool-aid and don't really know many specific facts.

For instance you're against LBJ's Great Society apparently. Does that mean you're against civil rights, equal voting rights, consumer protections, the environment, and Medicare?

Rock Justice said...

Here’s what I noticed.

1) The cartoon presupposes a Christian America (“To Mom it is church on Sunday morning”), leaving out all Jews, Muslims, and all other non-Christian faiths,

2) There is a backwards-hanging American flag (in the first minute, the blue star field is ALWAYS in the upper left)

3) It is sexist (the jury whistling at the woman on the stand)

Oh, yeah, anytime a people give up their civil liberties for a small measure of security, they gain neither liberty nor security.


A Americia was founded on Christian VALUES that Includes Other Religions, WE DO NOT KILL People for being Christian See IRAN for Example.
B The Flag Position as a SIGNAL for Distress something we are suffering under Chairman Obama
C Sexist? Get a Grip Grasshopper Men are Portrayed Today as Blundering Idiots in Many of todays Shows and Movise are we Rioting in the Streets armed with Man Satchels, Manpons and Shots of Expresso?? I dont think so, unless you include the Unwashed MAsses picketing Wall Street armed with Slave Produced IPhones and Move On Windbreakers. Bring on the Snow and 2012.

JoyFulOne said...

To Kathryn: The reason the hopey-changey folks voted for President Obama is because America needed a massive dose of hope and change. All bushtard did was use our anger and fear after 9/11 to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. First bushtard lied to Congress and to you and I about weapons of mass destruction. (Even if there were WMD's, that does not give the US the right to invade any country.) We might as well of sent invitations to every country to feel free to invade us if they think we have WMD's. Then since that lie was exposed bush/cheney changed to excuse for invading Iraq because Saddam was an evil leader. (If ANY country is dissatisfied with their leader, that is why God invented revolutions. Daddy bush hated Saddam and baby bush wanted to make Dad proud. It is time for the US to stop policing the world. A good analogy like having a bit bull living next door and everyday when you leave for work you poke the pit bull with a stick. Then one day the owner forgets to tie the dog up and he jumps the fence and rips your head off. So I hope we are all not scratching our asses when we get our asses kicked for poking other countries with a stick and then they decide they have had enough. We are no where close to being the super power we were back when President Reagan was in office. Hell, China could kayak over here and kick our asses. All bush gave a flying shit about was making sure the military industrial complex made as much money as possible while completely ignoring domestic issues. And are you defending Wall Street and how they raped the American people? Regulation is a bad word unless you are the one who lost every last cent of your retirement savings.

So, President Obama comes in and has to clean up the last jack asses cluster fuck. It will take decades to clean up bush's mess, rebuild our economy and restore our good name around the world.

And for those who are whining about our national debt, please remember this about Iraq. Over 5,000 of our troops dead, over a million innocent Iraqi civilians dead, 4 million innocent Iraqis displaced and when all is said and done, (including VA costs), that little price tag will be a cool 3 TRILLION dollars. And if bushtard would have taken care of business in Afghanistan after 9/11, instead of dicking around in Iraq, we wouldn't even be talking about that country. We would have been in and out of there.

I am 53 and for a President to be worse than bush, they would have to find out a way to make the earth collide with the sun. And in 2012 anyone who votes Republican either must have lived in a cave during the bush years or is on a suicide mission. bushtard and the best of his thinking sent us in to a near depression and since the GOP took control of the House they have been unable to pull a jobs bill out of their asses. They still think that the market will correct itself. Talking about living a a dread land. It astonishes me how soon people forget who, what, and why the US is in the shape it is in. Hopey and changey? You bet your ass.

Oh, one last thing... Where was the Tea Party when bush was running this country in to the ground? The youngsters marching on Wall Street right now make more sense then the tea baggers ever will. (Keep your government hands off my Medicare!) Lord help us!

P.S. Get off Faux News and do some independent research.

jstarkweather said...

It's rather sad that some people don't understand the true history of capitalism and the free markets. Perhaps they would like to return to those 'heady' days of the Middle Ages where Kings and Popes ruled us completely.

Patriot55 said...

The Tea Party began when Obama bailed out Wall Street, prior to Wall Street there was the GM and Chrysler Government buy out/bail out, at the same time, all this as government was doubling in size but would not support Small Business’s and killing Jobs preventing the big business’s from moving overseas, it all went to the Labor Unions. The protesters are actually costing Obama, he received $28 Million from them since the 2010 election, the rest for 2012.

There will be no long lasting jobs without the Free Market being allowed to work the way it has, in a manner which made this country the greatest in the world.

When the protests began, all interviews of people there didn't know what they were protesting. One young graduate was holding a “JOBS” sign who was asked why he was there “…to get a job”, he replied that he had quit a good paying ‘steady’ job to attend the rally, because another may never happen again. After the second day, an ad appeared in Craig’s List for anyone wanting to protest would be paid $600.00 per week and free catered food to stay much longer. Those emails were traced back to the SEIU and the AFL-CIO Unions.

Al Jazzera is reporting this as the “American Spring” and the end to capitalism, in line with Obama the United States are becoming even weaker. Anytime you have Students, Democrats/Liberals, or Unions, they leave one hell of a mess behind, as opposed to the Tea Party leaves their areas spotless. These idiots now protesting are taking craps on Police cars or anywhere they wish, same with taking a leak anywhere any time.

For those of who do not yet know about “Agenda 21” I suggest you start searching, it will not be easy, but most of it is on the Internet, we are partly there now…Thanks to our president, M. Brotherhood Obama.

Many Democrats/Liberals/Socialists/Communists, including Hussein Obama are all bringing us closed to Agenda 21,this movement began in South America and many world governments are also in favor, Jimmy Carter attended in 1972 and signed on to this Agenda. You can find plenty on the Internet about this agenda; I have found that no less than 25-30 links to find most everything.

One of the first documents began coming true with Carter and schools, but could not become wide spread till the teachers unionized. : http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html

• Just for the record, the Occupy Wall Street has become: The Wingless, bloodsucking and parasitic: Meet the flea party! NYC has to clean out the protesters as it has become unsafe and dangerous to be there…trash everywhere, people urinating anywhere they want, if someone needs to take a crap, just look around, it is everywhere. Cut your foot or any other part of your body, you WIL get infections.

Patriot55 said...

Obama regulations:

2009: 20,000 pages
2010: 77,000 pages
2011: (to date) 46,500 pages

Too much regulation stifles the people’s ability to create jobs, small businesses are being strangled…so get this, one of the new Regulations is that a Small Business MUST hire an unemployed person before one can get already qualified people from other businesses, which leaves a job open at the former employer which will need to be filled. A Presidents main job is to keep Americans safe here at home and abroad, he has far exceeded his authority and he is not keeping the country safe. He wants a borderless country, Obama has no right under the Constitution to make the call for crap such as the ‘dream act’ letting violent illegal’s out of jails and prisons, much less ignoring his duty to keep our borders safe, not his job to take over Pell Grants and decide who gets one. It is not his job to usurp Congress by putting his failed legislation to the EPA (Cap & Trade), or to use other government agencies ding the same. And it is certainly not his place to Create Jobs, which exactly what Free Enterprise does.

Upon the Solyndra scandal, he claims he had research done on Solyndra, yet does not have the documents to back any research up, and gave them the loan with absolutely no valid proof. An Aid to Holder tells the Solyndra CEO and CFO to take the 5th in Congress, meanwhile it shows that the CEO has more than 3 million dollars in his account…”After the Loan”, prior to receiving the money, they were filing papers for bankruptcy!

So, the company goes down in flames, and on the day of the Guaranteed Loans, he makes two more loans to two different Solar Panel Mfg.’s…This is after Solyndra’s reason for losing all the money was; “We cannot compete with the Chinese”, China isn’t even making Cylindrical Panels, which never really worked in the first place.

As for Holder, he needs to have his butt kicked out of office and prosecuted outside of government for his crimes and conduct.

It was played again last night, Obama: “If we are not out of this mess in 3 YEARS, I deserve to be a one term President”…I fully agree!

You people scream about corporate greed, hell they do not have anything on the Unions. I fully agree that Firefighters and Police should be paid very well for what they do (unlike our soldiers), but do not give the Unions power to strike. Time to defund the NLRB, the EPA, NEA, PBS, Planned Parenthood, the Czars (who are only supposed to be very temporary and not re-filled if one leaves, that is there till you find someone to fill a position, and all other presidents in history have not ever had 37+ Czars…COMBINED. Bush 41 had two, one lasted two weeks, the other a month, Clinton had four; all of them were gone in 4 months. Almost every president has had recess appointments from 1964 to present, but never this many in less than three years.

While I am on the subject, why in the hell would a President appoint a 4 Star General to head the FBI (CIA perhaps)? He has advisors who have never even dreamed of being in the positions they are in, no experience necessary I guess…F.A. Hayek was correct after all, we are on the road to serfdom.

Now we need a Fairness Doctrine for the Main-Stream Media…

In closing, this one is true: In a debate based on fact, a conservative will always win. A sure-fire sign that a liberal is losing is when he tries to "close down the argument" by casting aspersions on your morality. For example, if you are debating immigration, he will accuse you of being a "racist"; if you're worried about radical Islam, you're "Islamophobic"; if you want your kids to be taught properly at school, you're an "elitist"; if you think marriage requires one man and one woman, you're "homophobic"; if you think there are rather obvious differences between men and women, you're a "sexist"; and so on.

motorpoodle said...

Patriot - you said "The Tea Party began when Obama bailed out Wall Street"

You are completely wrong there. The Tea Party was started by Ron Paul supporters and then was astroturfed by corporations later. However they were protesting the Bush bailouts long before Obama was in office. For the most part they don't know what they are protesting as they have signs like "keep government out of my Medicare". Since you're so uninformed about they're background do a little reading instead of continuing to make up stuff.

"all this as government was doubling in size but would not support Small Business’s"

In reality the government did not double in size and there were many incentives added to help small business.

"When the protests began, all interviews of people there didn't know what they were protesting."

Wrong, the Wall Street protesters know exactly what they are protesting. I was at one the other day and there's numerous information booths if you personally don't get it.

"an ad appeared in Craig’s List for anyone wanting to protest would be paid $600.00 per week"

You completely made that up as well. The post some idiot conservatives are referring too leads to this job which is to work on campaigns and not to protest.

"Al Jazzera is reporting this as the “American Spring” and the end to capitalism"

You made that up too. There's not even a Google result for "Al Jazeera American spring" even after I correct your spelling.

"Anytime you have Students, Democrats/Liberals, or Unions, they leave one hell of a mess behind, as opposed to the Tea Party leaves their areas spotless. These idiots now protesting are taking craps on Police cars or anywhere they wish, same with taking a leak anywhere any time."

This is a typical conservative tactic where they try and cast aspersions on morality instead of debating.

JoyFulOne said...

Thanks Motorpoodle for making sense. I can not believe some of the things people believe. I also can't believe peoples short term memories! Kudos!

JoyFulOne said...

The Republicans are chanting "too much regulation is stopping job growth" WTF? When you ask a Republican what regulation do you mean, they don't have a clue. Faux News zombies!

Ed Darrell said...

Hey, Motorpoodle -- you got a blog somewhere?

Ed Darrell said...

Joyfulone, either they don't know what regulation they're worried about, or they make up some male bovine excrement on the spot, like claimng EPA's ban on DDT causes malaria in Africa, as if mosquitoes migrate from Texas to Africa, or something. I agree, it's pretty much over the top, but they keep saying it, over and over, and then they start to believe it.

motorpoodle said...

"For those of who do not yet know about “Agenda 21” I suggest you start searching, it will not be easy, but most of it is on the Internet, we are partly there now…Thanks to our president, M. Brotherhood Obama."

Yeah that wasn't hard at all. Agenda 21 is a UN environmental movement and plan for sustainable forests. If we're part way there because of Obama I congratulate him.

"Obama regulations:

2009: 20,000 pages
2010: 77,000 pages
2011: (to date) 46,500 pages"


Link to your source please and the numbers for Bush or people will think you made this up too.

"Too much regulation stifles the people’s ability to create jobs"

And too little endangers workers, the environment, and public safety.

"one of the new Regulations is that a Small Business MUST hire an unemployed person before one can get already qualified people from other businesses"

You made this up too. Here's the actual regulation> Which just prohibits discriminating against unemployed people. That's a good thing.

"he is not keeping the country safe"

Wrong again. He has a much better record on this than Bush could ever hope for.

"He wants a borderless country"

More crap you made up.

"for crap such as the ‘dream act’ letting violent illegal’s out of jails and prisons"

You made that up. The Dream Act is here. It has nothing to do with letting violent illegals out of prison.

In closing I can say this for sure. In a debate based on fact a liberal will always win. Conservative made up crap can almost always be debunked in less than a minute with a quick search just have I have just proved that practically every last thing Patriot55 types is a bold faced lie.

Bonnie said...

This is the most fascinating explanation of freedom I have ever seen, and it's been around nearly as long as I have. This needs to be put into every classroom in America as a crash course on freedom.

Bonnie said...

This cartoon should be required viewing in every classroom in America. It explains freedom better than any textbook I've ever read. It's been around almost as long as I have and expresses reality and today so well I wouldn't even try to improve upon it.

motorpoodle said...

I just love Bonnie's comment "This cartoon should be required viewing in every classroom in America. It explains freedom better than any textbook I've ever read."

She wants to force every child in America to watch old slanted propaganda videos and then she talks about freedom in the very next sentence. Think she gets the irony in what she typed?

Ed - I'll try to get started on that blog. If crap like this can get views it's encouraging and means that just about anyone can do much better.

Miriam said...

Although, I recognized that previous Administrations have damaged our traditional American Way, NO ONE compares come close to the Obama Administration. We are watching the complete Fundamental Transformation of a society into a new World Order totally different to out traditional American Way. STAND UP AMERICA or you will not be able to recognize THE USA in short time!

JoyFulOne said...

Miriam, be specific.. During the last Presidential campaign, McCain said that the only spending he would have done is on the military. What shape do you think we would be in right now if that were to have happened? The stimulus stopped the US from a steep downhill spiral that bush put us in. When you start needless wars and don't take care of domestic issues, you go in to a depression. The GOP keeps chanting that the free market will self correct. Well, it didn't. We are in this cluster fuck because of bushtard. Period. The GOP House has not had a single idea regarding job growth. They still actually believe that if you treat corporations like rare exotic birds that they will lay golden eggs full of jobs. Yep, except those jobs are in China while the CEO's are making millions. Wake up America!

JoyFulOne said...

Miriam said: We are watching the complete Fundamental Transformation of a society into a new World Order totally different to out traditional American Way.

WTF?

Bonnie said...

sad but true

Patriot55 said...

Joy, once again, time after time you read and watch only what you want to hear or read, you claimed you read the 9/11 Report, so tell me…just inside cover there is a publishing date, which edition the book is, each date has a copyright, publisher, in fact just type on here everything written on that page, it isn’t very long, and you cannot get that information off of the internet, as it is written in the book in order.

Do you really believe that Keynesian Economics is the way for this country to move forward, please reply after you Google Keynesian Economics to see what it means, then do some research (will not take very long) to see if it has EVER worked before. Stop being a blooter!!! Taking into account your stance on illegal immigration brings all patriots you believe in breaking the Law of the Land and the U.S. Code. And please contain you language and the WTF comments in almost every post, it makes you look uneducated (but…perhaps you are not).

@Bonnie, you are on top of this situation, keep it going.

@motorpoodle, you arguments are without merit, first of all you looked up only what the U.N. says, where are the meetings in South America, other than the link I provided, what does Agenda 21 think about Economies, Teachings, which countries have signed on to this, and finally…did you happen to find all 24 links. I didn’t think you did, you simply looked at the first page from what the U.N. says, wow that is some kind of research, I told you it would be difficult to find them all. The ‘Dream Act’ was defeated in the House “some States” enacted it, but still illegal to do so, once again he went around Congress. By the way, he also went around Congress on much other failed legislation, or as he told the Unions during the speech in which Trumka Jr. introduced Obama, in which BO said that he did not need Congress to get around them, is that legal…No it is not. Just for the record, I have not made anything up, just due to the fact that MSM and the crony web sites do not report it, does not mean he did not say it, and I did not get the information from Conservative web sites, it was however posted in Nexis-Lexis in his own words in a brief video. When you call someone a liar, you best have the proof or say nothing at all…

Perry most likely get the nomination, but I really liked what he said about American Companies overseas, “Bring your companies back the United States or you lose all ties with this country and your importations denied. The same would apply to Jeffery Immelt’s (who is now employed by Obama for jobs) GE plants in China, this would include his Medical Devices plant, and the newly built the GE Aircraft plants. (Why don’t GE and Immelt have to pay any taxes in the U.S. although they still have a couple of plants here?)

JoyFulOne said...

To Patriot: There is no date on the cover.

On the cover of the 9/11 Commission Report it says: "The 9/11 Commission Report - Final Report of the National Commission On Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States - Authorized Edition."

On the back of the book it says: Nearly three thousand people died in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. In Lower Manhattan, on a field in Pennsylvania, and along the banks of the Potomac, the United States suffered the single largest loss of life from an enemy attack on its soil.

In November, 2002, the United States Congress and President George W. Bush established by law the National Commission on Terrorist Attack Commission. The Independent, bipartisan panel was directed to examine the facts and circumstances surrounding the September 11 attacks. Identify lessons learned, and provide recommendations to safeguard against future sets of terrorism.

This volume is the authorized edition of the Commission's final report.

On Page ix there is a List of Illustrations and Tables. On the 11th page it lists the Commission Members along with their signatures.

The book I have is 567 pages long and the cover is a deep blue and a burgundy color. My son in law bought it for me at Costco. There is no date on the cover except 9.11. I read the whole thing. Feel free to write be back and ask any other questions about the book or its contents. I DO research what I say and unlike you don't go looking for the opinions of what I want to hear. You obviously have to look pretty hard for some of the stuff you come up with!

Ed Darrell said...

Joyfulone, the 9/11 Commission Report came out July 22, 2004:

"On July 22, 2004 the Commission released its public report, which is available for download from this site. The report is also available in bookstores nationwide and from the Government Printing Office.

"On August 21, 2004 the Commission released two staff monographs, available for download along with other staff statements on this site.

"The ten members of the 9-11 Commission announce the creation of the 9/11 Public Discourse Project.

"The Commission closed on August 21, 2004."


The full report is available on-line from the Government Printing Office, here:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html

Ed Darrell said...

Oddly, there is no publication date or ISBN number on the 9/11 Commission Report that I have found. It's supposed to be there on all privately or commercially published documents -- but this is a government report. I've seen those things omitted in government reports before. No big deal.

JoyFulOne said...

Thank you Ed. I could not find a date in my book like you do on other books on the 2nd or 3rd page where the Publishers put their information and all dates of future publications of the same book.

Patriot was challenging me, he did not think I read the report. I told him I had the book and I don't think he believed me. What led up to this discussion was my writings on the Iraq war, which he defends. I know now, for sure, that I will be on the FACT side history in my opinions on that needless war. Take Care!

anon said...

1968 nonsense isn't going to make any more sense in 2011. Pitifully naive.

Bonnie said...

Nieve is watching government control moving in and thinking it makes things better. Freedom is owning your own responsibilities and knowing you have to solve your own problems. It only works when you keep God in the equation.

magistre said...

As usual, Patriot, your insanity reigns supreme!

magistre said...

As usual, Patriot, your insanity reigns supreme!

Patriot55 said...

Beleive it not Joy, I believed you when I got back home at 4:00am and read your note, you describe the book well, there are no publishind dates, or editons. Your answer was quick and on target, thank you. (I have been out of town)...Now have to run again, be back later or tomorrow.

JoyFulOne said...

Thank you Patriot! I hope you are doing well and have a safe trip. Joy

JoyFulOne said...

Bonnie.. What "Freedoms" has the federal government or your state government taken away from you? The GOP chants this BS, but when all is said and done, you are really just as free as ever. As for God, faith is important, just not in politics. Religion should be kept out of it. As you probably know, Mitt Romney has been bashed in the Media for being a Mormon and at first President Obama was bashed for being a Muslim. I think Mr. Romney should win the GOP nomination and I would have voted for President Obama if he was a Muslim. What religion one practices is personal and it makes me sick that anyone should wear their religion on their sleeve. I have known people that go to church every Sunday and are as evil as can be and have known people that never go to church and they are angels on earth. I am a very spiritual person, I just don't mix it with my politics. Everyone should!

Matt said...

Sodaro is completing in correct in many statements. Most of the founding father had seminary degrees and the first three hours of the first session of Congress was spent by the legislators on the knees prayer to God Almighty. We were founded as Christian nation and that is factual. Not theological.

JoyFulOne said...

We are a nation of many religious beliefs and many cultures. The problem I have with, (usually the Republicans), is that they say Christianity is superior than other beliefs. I say bullshit. If you are kind and leading a good life, no one should care what God they believe in. Politics and religion do not mix and as soon as everyone realizes that, we will all get along better. No religion is superior than another. Separation of church and state is SO important. The founding fathers thought so too.

motorpoodle said...

Hey Matt, you might want to take a look at this...

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" - Treaty of Tripoli.

motorpoodle said...

@Patriot - You said "you arguments are without merit".

Sorry Patriot, but it's your arguments that are easily disproved with a short search. I back up what I say with facts.

"did you happen to find all 24 links"

What the hell are you talki9ng about? There's more than 24 links with information on Agenda 21. Some of them even radical right wing conspiracy theory blogs. If you stick with the factual articles you can read all about the plan for sustainable development.

"The ‘Dream Act’ was defeated in the House “some States” enacted it, but still illegal to do so, once again he went around Congress."

Obama did not go around Congress in any way regarding the Dream Act. Again, you just make up stuff and type it.

"I have not made anything up, When you call someone a liar, you best have the proof or say nothing at all…"

Yes, Patriot you made up all sorts of stuff and I have been proving that you're lying by posting facts that show that just about everything you type is false. Like when you lied and said the Dream Act was about letting violent illegals out of prison.

I suggest you start providing proof for the things you want to say instead of making up random nonsense.

JoyFulOne said...

Thanks again Motorpoodle. How can we as a nation have a civil discussion if we are not talking facts. I have found when you get down to it, there is very little gray area in politics. Either it is right or wrong.

In regard to immigration, many states forget to remember that immigration is a federal issue, not state issue when changing laws.

Thanks for being factual, it is refreshing!

magistre said...

in regard Patriot 55:

"When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime." -- Thomas Paine -- (1737-1809) US Founding father

Unknown said...

Oh, Good Grief, Robert, it was made in 1948! What, you expected just how many to see how man muslims in that cartoon? I know it's hard to believe, but men were actually allowed to whistle at pretty ladies back then without fear of being arrested for harassment, and most people either went to church on Sunday or at least, respected those that did. You're totally unaware that there's a forest there because you're busy counting trees.

JoyFulOne said...

Oh good grief Unknown. No one will get arrested for whistling at a pretty women, but if you are an employer and grab an employees ass, you will probably get arrested. That is different than back in 1948.

I also think that people still respect people that go to church and hopefully people respect people who DON'T go to church. Going to church certainly does not mean that you are a good person. Some of the most greedy, evil people I have ever met show up to church every Sunday, so going to church really doesn't mean anything. It is how you treat people that matters.

Patriot55 said...

You are most welcome, Joy and thank you for the well wishes.

@motorpoodle, what I meant were the 24 links of which are not just dialogue and assumptions, but those written specifically ‘by’ those involved in Agenda 21, trust me not all documents are listed for everyone to see, I was attempting to ask you your thoughts on the matter, such as I stated in my post “, what does Agenda 21 think about Economies, Teachings, which countries have signed on to this…”. Do you just skim read, or just choose what ‘you’ want to ask without responding to the entire subject?

As for facts, which would depend on your sources, a good comparison would be Global Warming/Cooling (excuse me, that is now been change to ‘Climate Change’), however you can have 50 climatologists, and 50% will disagree with the other 25 scientists. We all remember the 1970’s frantic screams by scientists predicted Global Cooling, warning of un-doubtable result that there would soon be another Ice Age.

We can argue about what is fact or fiction on opinions all day long, but what I said about the Dream Act, Congress overwhelmingly defeated the Bill. Just as there was not Bi-Partisan support for Cap and Trade, however that defeat didn’t last long as it was handed over to the EPA to put in motion, can you in good conscious deny that? Do I take it by omission that do not care about G.E. and other business’ should not be forced to move back to this country or lose their import status? I mention G.E. in particular, since the president hired him for Job creation, perhaps Jeffery did not stop to think Obama meant back to the U.S.

Many of Democrats holding seats in Coal Mining and those with factories for Clean burning Coal (often they are the same, but not in all cases, would not sign on the Bill as it would cost their States jobs, it would be an economic disaster.

If environmentalists are so concerned with air quality, I would want to know why they are not protesting Ethanol use. www.ascension-publishing.com/BIZ/EWG-E15.pdf and this study only looked at what is currently being used for E15 and E20. Now they are using up to as high as an E85 blend (as it is here in Houston, Dallas and likely around the country). Sure it would save on fossil fuel usage. Bush asked the DOD to create aircraft jet engines which would run on biofuels. For testing purposes, they were to be first tested to ensure flight safety once that was to done, it would then be followed by air sampling collector planes following the output of exhaust, the air quality sampling was halted in 2009.

I understand why some research may be avoided; it takes time and resources which could possibly take years. Then again, this is why Pharmaceuticals take no less than 15 years before a drug can be approved, one to be as sure as possible they are safe (still though it does not always work out that way), but a good example to follow. The same should be done for everything, including the government, to study for unseen, unintended consequences.

From time immortal, no two people with steadfast opinions will never change the other’s minds, I do remember a time when regardless of political beliefs, a person’s word could be trusted without hesitation. Or as it used to be said, ‘a man’s word is his bond’, another was ‘a handshake is as good as gold’. There was a time not so very long ago, I would refuse to discuss with any one on Religion or Politics. In fact I used to be a voting Democrat, it wasn’t until LBJ (escalating the Viet Nam war, when Kennedy made it very clear he would pull all U.S. troops out, he was the last Presidential Democrat I voted for, as for state, local, Congress and the Senate would depend on what they stood for regardless of party, as long as they kept their word.

I also believe in a purely social setting, most of us would be friends, or at least respectful.

Everyone have a great evening!

motorpoodle said...

Patriot - You said "what I meant were the 24 links of which are not just dialogue and assumptions, but those written specifically ‘by’ those involved in Agenda 21"

Here's a big publication written by those involved. It should answer most of your questions.

"trust me not all documents are listed for everyone to see"

Why would I trust claims from so0meone who has been so wrong so often. On the contrary, I demand proof for your claims.

"however you can have 50 climatologists, and 50% will disagree with the other 25 scientists"

Actually no, just about all climatologists and scientists agree about climate change.

"We can argue about what is fact or fiction on opinions all day long, but what I said about the Dream Act, Congress overwhelmingly defeated the Bill"

Ironic that you got your facts wrong in this sentence too. Congress did not overwhelmingly defeat the Dream Act. It passed the House and fell 5 votes short in the Senate. And no we're not going to be able to argue about what is fact or fiction.

You claimed earlier that the Dream Act would let violent illegals out of prison. This was entirely fabricated and appears nowhere in the bill. This is not a matter of opinion. You are being dishonest if you do not admit to making that up.

You also made up "Small Business MUST hire an unemployed person"

You've made up many other things here too. When you're proven wrong you just try to change the subject like you've tried to change it now to climate change. Why can't you be honest and base your arguments on facts?

"I do remember a time when regardless of political beliefs, a person’s word could be trusted without hesitation."

How can anyone trust your word when you've been caught pushing blatantly false claims so often?

Bonnie said...

The pilgrims risked their lives to have freedom of religion. That's why they came to America. Our founding fathers just wanted to make it official. We are "one Nation under God" for a reason. Nothing is being stuffed down anyone's throat but the only thing that has held our nation together for over 200 years is our faith in God and His divine blessing. If we take Him out of the equation as so many think we should there will be no United States of America and none of us will sit around on our computers expressing our opinions - that's part of the freedom we all enjoy, but some seem to want to destroy in the name of open mindedness or some other fancy label for control.

motorpoodle said...

Bonnie - We're "one nation under God because some chaplain in Illinois added those two extra words in the late 40s.

I don't believe you have proof that faith in God has had anything to do with holding our nation together.

However, religion has caused a ton of violence in our country such as witch burnings etc.

Patriot55 said...

Hey Poodle was attempting to remove the hateful speech in my last post and turn an argument into a discussion, I now realize that you do not want to have anything to do with discussions…you Will always be right in your own mind. I have told you before I do not believe anything the U.N. say, they must be the most corrupt organization in the entire world. We have all seen the worst of the worst being chosen leaders on the Human Rights, Chinese, and State sponsors of Terror, North Korea the former USSR. How are they chosen, put a blindfold on and through a dart at the world map with the United States being left off? Similar to Kofi Annan‘s many scandals. He was “allegedly” found that some claims against him were false, and who proved he was not guilty of the Oil for Food (Annan’s Son), and the Sex Scandals, just to name a couple. The U.N.’s own High Commissioner…is that not akin to a Judge accused of a crime witnessed by a Police Officer who, at the end of the trial declares himself not guilty, then sends the Officer to jail on perjury charges.

You sound like the 1950’s comedian Dave Gardner, who once quipped, “I might not always be right, but by God I am never wrong. Just for the record, the U.N. is not the only organization involved in Agenda 21, which by pointing to this page only proves you do not know all the facts. This is something I have been watching since Carter signed on to the Agenda. Not fixated on it, just when I hear of something in the agenda I have read in the news, or spoken about of TV news. One who repeatedly calls other liars, has something to hide (Confucius), or has a mental condition.

Patriot55 said...

"motorpoodle said...
Bonnie - We're "one nation under God because some chaplain in Illinois added those two extra words in the late 40s.

I don't believe you have proof that faith in God has had anything to do with holding our nation together.

However, religion has caused a ton of violence in our country such as witch burnings etc."
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Just read the Declaration of Independence, that is one of the few things I can trust on the Internet!

Ed Darrell said...

The Declaration of Independence says that just governments derive their powers from the consent of the governed, not from God.

I think we should return to the Pledge of Allegiance as Abraham Lincoln had it.*


* "Under God" was added to divide the phrase, "one nation indivisible," in 1948. Of course, the pledge itself was written in 1892, by a socialist.

magistre said...

Ed Darrell, now you've ruined the Pledge for Patriot.

motorpoodle said...

Patriot - You said "I now realize that you do not want to have anything to do with discussions…you Will always be right in your own mind."

I'm all about discussion. What I'm not about is letting people be dishonest and spread falsehoods.

When you said the Dream Act let violent illegals out of prison you were wrong. It's nowhere in the bill. Why are you unable to admit you were wrong and tell us why you were spreading this disinformation?

When you said the Dream Act was overwhelmingly defeated maybe you can tell us why passing the House and losing by 5 votes in the Senate is “overwhelming” to you?

When you said the business MUST now hire unemployed people and I linked to the actual bill that says no such thing why can’t you admit you were wrong again and tell us why you’re spreading misinformation again?

You seem to think I’m calling you a liar. What would you call someone who pushes information that’s certifiably false and then won’t admit they were wrong? You seem to be trying to insult my character repeatedly when I point out the falsehoods you try to promote. You need to look at the person promoting certifiably false information and not the perosn linking to facts that show the info to be false.

”I have told you before I do not believe anything the U.N. says”

You said something about reading about what is written about Agenda 21 by people involved so I’m reading what is written about Agenda 21 by the people involved. You have yet to make one single point about Agenda 21 or provide links to anything on the subject. So far this amounts to you trying to yell “Agenda 21” and expecting people to be scared. Make your point or get off the pot.

The UN has done some amazing work over the years. Of course they’re not perfect any more than the US government is. A lot of the problems with the UN have to do with some countries like the US having an inordinate amount of power. Every other country can agree that something is a good idea and the US can just veto it.

motorpoodle said...

Oh yeah, Patriot you said ""Al Jazzera is reporting this as the “American Spring” and the end to capitalism"

Do you have a link to that or can you admit you made it up?

"He(Obama) wants a borderless country"

Again. Provide link or admit you made it up.

JoyFulOne said...

Someone, (I believe it was Motorpoodle), posted a link to an article called: The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion.

It is the best article that I have read in regard to church and state. I can not tell you how bad it hurts the Republicans for not drawing that line between politics and religion.

Charles Carter said...

It sure seems to me that most of the people who commented on this cartoon don't have the faintest idea what it was about. It's the Republicans who truly want to sell our country to the corporations. If they somehow manage to take over the president's office, the house and the senate this country is history and we all become slaves! Wake up, the Republican Party and part of the Democratic Party have already sold us out. Only the Progressive Caucus in the Democratic Party is left on our side and we need a lot more of them!

JoyFulOne said...

Amen Carter!! To even think that ANYONE would want a Republican in the White House or let them take over Congress is unthinkable...Anyone who thinks so must have hit their heads and have a severe case of amnesia. Last I remembered, the GOP drove us to the brink of a total depression. They spent trillions on a needless war, (not to mention 5,000 of our wonderful troops lost, over a million innocent and Iraqis dead, 4 million Iraqis displaced, should I go on?) And then they have the balls to bash this President for making sure each and everyone of us is not homeless and in a soup line. Now everyone, take your memory pills and sober up! I am not kidding, it will be the end of us if the GOP takes over.

Jake said...

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I hear a lot of "blame the President". I was taught in history class that the President is not the final word in law. Congress is the final. Yes, a President can put a bill into motion, but congress has the final say. President may VETO it, but congress can rule out his veto. To much of this democrat/republican fighting. What happened to compromise. To come to an agreement between both sides. Where did this go? Why do we turn against eachother? Rome fell from within. Ceaser's own people killed him, is that what we are doing? Instead of blaming our President, why not help him. People take advantage of our freedoms. Remember, when you complain about our government, our enemies do the same. All you are doing is giving our enemies more reasons to attack us. This is the USA. Don't like it? Go complain somewhere else.

JoyFulOne said...

You are exactly correct Jake. I am 54 and have NEVER seen such gridlock in Congress. If President Obama said to the Republicans that the federal government would not spend a dime except on military, (and that is what they want!), they would fight him on it. ANYTHING that this President proposes is opposed by the GOP and what is funny about that is that some of the ideas President Obama comes up with were originally Republican ideas. I have been watching the jobs bill debate on C-Span and it is a joke how bad the GOP is lying about everything, especially the economy. Now they are saying that they are not getting enough Presidential leadership. WTF? Since when does Congress need any President to figure out what they need to do. Congress needs to listen to the AMERICAN PEOPLE, not the President and not the main stream media.

Thank you for your insight. You hit the nail on the head!

magistre said...

JoyFulOne, there is one thing Republicans will not admit: The hole that we are in was "dug" by the Republicans and their "prescription" for a cure is "more hole"!

Shadow said...

It irritates me when people make comments like, "We should have started standing up during the last administration..." Do you actually believe that the lawyers and bankers in the current administration are looking out for you? There is no better time for you to stand up then now, ya... we shoulda, woulda, coulda, done it in the past... but you cannot turn back the clock and the system and the 1%'ers are not looking out for us... get your head out of the idea of Republican or Democrat and wake up.

Patriot55 said...

@poodle..:Agenda 21: (Last time)

http://www.sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html


The practice started by Strong at the 1972 conference, of cloaking the agenda in the perception of public grassroots support from NGOs, culminated in Rio in 1992, with the largest collection of NGOs ever assembled in support of Agenda 21. Only those NGOs that were "accredited" by the U.N. Conference were permitted to attend. And only those which had demonstrated support for the agenda were funded. Dewar calls these NGOs -- PGOs -- Private Government Organizations.

The G-77 nations, which represent 135 of the 185 member nations of the U.N. held a conference in Costa Rica in January [7] to outline amendments to Article 13 of the U.N. Charter which will be necessary to bring about global governance as described in Our Global Neighborhood. Costa Rica is the international headquarters of Strong's most recent NGO, Earth Council, and the U.N. University, where a portion of the conference was held. Among the other recommendations of the Commission on Global Governance is the elimination of the veto power of the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, and a review of the entire concept of permanent member status in ten years. Another recommendation would make decisions of the International Court of Justice binding on all nations. Still another would create an International Criminal Court, and a U.N. standing army, and another would provide for independent finance in the form of various global taxation schemes.

***You will need to read the entire summary, it should be named; “How a Capitalist created a One World Government”.

http://americanpolicy.org/prop/main.htm

“Breaking News” Section Attempts to stop Agenda 21

http://www.gcrio.org/edu/pcsd/toc.html

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/brainwashing.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a33916.htm
***Article Deleted***

http://www.hhh.umn.edu/centers/rlc/comm/outcome.htm
***Article Deleted***

http://www.southern-style.com/conspiracy_of_the_left.htm
***Article Deleted***

http://doncasey.home.mindspring.com/vision.htm
How to force visioning upon the public as quoted from the United Nation’s Agenda 21 document
***Article Deleted***

http://doncasey.home.mindspring.com/vision.htm
World Summit on Sustainable Development
***Article Deleted***

http://www.minambiente.it/Sito/settori_azione/pia/docs/forum_chairm
***Article Deleted***

It would seem that almost all other findings have been deleted or “The webpage cannot be found”

Many of those I didn’t even include in this post…isn't that odd?

Something I really dislike are Faux Elites like many who have agreed with you. Typical, you demand proof on everything, yet you do not prove any of your claims and/or statements...ever!

JoyFulOne said...

What Shadow? THIS administration DID do something in regard to the banks/mortgage companies. It is called the Dodd/Frank bill and if these institutions can't abide by THOSE much needed and long overdue regulations, they should be run out of town on a rail after doing a perp walk through a OWS crowd!

Ed Darrell said...

Still another would create an International Criminal Court . . .

The International Criminal Court was created about a decade ago. So far it has a great record of not overstepping its carefully bounded authority. It has become one of the brighter spots in the world fight against war crimes and war criminals. Some of the worst despots in the world have been taken off the streets and brought to justice by the court.

Why would anyone oppose it? Idi Amin and Osama bin Laden might have feared it -- but that's good, no?

. . . and a U.N. standing army . . .

The UN Charter has a specific provision that prohibits a standing army for the UN. Plus, there is no way to finance such a thing under the Charter.

So, I'm curious now: Who, do you claim, has proposed a standing UN army? Where has such a proposal been made? What is its status?

Since you're about a decade behind on the court situation, what makes you think you're not a decade behind on this issue, too?

. . . and another would provide for independent finance in the form of various global taxation schemes.

Also specifically prohibited by the Charter.

Since no one could be forced to join a voluntary organization, what makes you think the UN would self-destruct in such a fashion? And confess -- wouldn't the self-destruction of the UN please you no end?

Patriot55 said...

Republicans are not responsible for the Sub-Prime Mortgages and you damned well know it, the Republicans NEVER issued sub-prime mortgages, for six years however, they attempted to break those mortgages but were filibustered each year. They damned sure didn’t want mortgages to people who could not even afford their bills or rent. Subprime lending became popular in the U.S. in the mid-1990s (actually the exact year was 1993) with Barney Frank, supported by Chris Dodd (the Dodd-Frank Bill), both Democrats.

When the crash actually began in full was during 2007-2008 since those from 1993 through 2008 the Sub-Primes were all becoming due at the same time (with a Democratic Congress), to stop the economy from collapsing, Bush got TARP for loans to banks (not Stimulus), this is when the Dems came out with the “Blame Bush” for the housing crash, yet not a single Democrat voted against TARP. Regardless of who had been president (Republican or Democrat) the damage was done and No One could have stopped it from happening, had they came due in 2010 or 2011, would Obama have been blamed, or would that too have also been another “Blame Bush” scenario? Bush was by no means the greatest president, he had his flaws and admits to such, problem is, the Mortgage collapse was not his to bear.

While out of office, Bill Clinton wrote in his book, that he should have never signed the legislation presented by Dodd-Frank, but as he wrote; “It sounded like a good idea at the time.” Anyone with any common sense would have known better to give housing mortgages to those who could not afford them in the first place. I would also like to know why Obama didn’t dissolve Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac, they were dead in the middle of all this, getting filthy rich by keeping it going. The CEO of Freddie Mac resigned in 2009 and went to work for Obama briefly as an advisor.

Everyone is aware if these events, both parties…Therefore if you disagree, that’s your problem!

motorpoodle said...

Patriot - You said "Costa Rica is the international headquarters of Strong's most recent NGO, Earth Council, and the U.N. University, where a portion of the conference was held. Among the other recommendations of the Commission on Global Governance is the elimination of the veto power of the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, and a review of the entire concept of permanent member status in ten years."

While you've given us no proof of any of this I do like the idea of doing away with veto power and reviewing the permanent member status thing.

You're still not stating what your issue with Agenda 21 is and while you don't want to read what it is in plain English on the UN site you're ready to wholeheartedly accept 14 year old articles on amateur conspiracy whack job websites. What is wrong with you?

"you demand proof on everything, yet you do not prove any of your claims and/or statements...ever!"

Seriously?! Really what is wrong with you? I've provided links to facts every time you lie about something.

When you lied about the Dream Act releasing violent illegals from prisons I linked to the actual bill to prove you wrong.

When you lied about businesses being required to hire illegals I linked to the actual bill to prove you wrong.

Now you're lying about me providing proof. I'll be glad to link you to those bills again if you had trouble the first time.

Here's more of your lies...

"the Dream Act was overwhelmingly defeated"

Lie. Passed House, lost by 5 votes in Senate.

"Al Jazzera is reporting this as the “American Spring” and the end to capitalism"

Lie, no such things was reported.

"He(Obama) wants a borderless country"

Lie. Obama has deported more illegals than Bush ever did.

Why don't you address each one of these lies and tell us why you were pushing misinformation?

motorpoodle said...

"They damned sure didn’t want mortgages to people who could not even afford their bills or rent."

Patriot how about you realize that the rich defaulted on their mortgages at a much higher rate.

cz said...

You don't understand how it got started unless you go back to the 1930s when people were scared enough to give their gold to the government and sign up for social security. Then welfare came along with unions, etc. If you think this just got started with Bush or Clinton, it was long before them. We have had breaks in the progress but it started with FDR and Bush and Obama are just putting the icing on it.

motorpoodle said...

Good point cz. Thanks FDR! Now we don't let the poor and elderly die in the street.

DontTreadOnMe said...

Job bills, job bills, job bills. What I do not understand is why the current administration and most future administration candidates are making propositions to place a very small bandage over a gaping wound that is our economy. Jobs are a necessity in America but we have to look at why companies are not hiring and why businesses are laying people off. The government should not be able to make a law or regulation to force companies to adhere to government agenda. That would be a move towards socialism, a government controlled economy. Supply and demand is still a factor! If consumers do not want a product that a company is producing, why should that company continue to exist much less flourish? To preserve employment? Ridiculous! That is what is making the economy worse, caps and regulations on businesses that prohibit the business to flourish. Why should business owners want to flourish at that point? Instead businesses are forced into agreements with the government that hinder production which in turn hinders profit which in turn hinders employment which in turn forces the business to seek material and labor outside of the United States to save money and avoid ridiculous regulations. Americans need to start living within our means and doing their homework on products before purchasing. That will help weed out businesses who try to cheat the system and others who jack up prices in order to maximize profit. When businesses start putting decent prices on decent products in order to preserve business, people will naturally migrate to that company for their product. Most major corporations produce products overseas to maximize profit while utilizing cheap foreign labor, cheap materials, and no taxes. These companies lobby to congress to push their business by making laws and enforcing regulations in return for campaign donations and support. If government had no pull in the private sector, there would be NO REASON for lobbyists. Lobbyists and corrupt government are killing this economy. I am tired and need to sleep, more to come at a later date. I would love to hear agreements and rebuttals.

Enlight said...

America is not based on Christian principles or the principles of any other religion. It is the product, and the best one at that, of the Enlightenment -- the rule of reason over faith. If you want to know what the world looked like under the dominance of religion, just take a look at the Dark Ages. If the mind represents the light, then the dark ages were very dark indeed. As such, the Enlightenment was anti-religious. This doesn't mean that some of its principal figures did not cling to religion or at least not challenge it head on. But, they did, indeed, boot it into second class citizenship to make way for the rights of man and the rule of reason over faith. That's why we have a first amendment. Not to do away with or to outlaw religion or to ban it from human affairs, but to free us from its unreasoning grip.

Enlight said...

To continue my last post:

Just because a religion might adopt a moral principle doesn't mean that that principle is based exclusively on religion. For example, the commandment, "Thou shalt not steal" is part of most religions. Adherents are taught to follow it because they are commanded to by god. No other reason is given.

What came from the enlightenment is the rational basis for such a commandment. That is, an individual's life does not sustain itself automatically; it requires constant, purposeful effort. And, that requires property of various kinds: tools, shelter, clothing without which the individual would perish. Therefore, to steal property is to impair an individual's capacity to survive. And, that is the moral basis for such a law. And, that came only after and as a result of the Enlightenment. That is reason over faith.

Patriot55 said...

For a president who campaigned on no more Lobbyists, suddenly has more than any other president. Obama recently loaned $528 Billion dollars to a auto company in Finland to build energy efficient cars, which cost the consumer $100,000 dollars, then made the claim that they get 57 mpg, when they are actually 19 mpg…ooops! Solyndra was loaned another half a Billion, a company who first went to the Bush W.H. and were denied as an unstable business, especially since the tubular solar tubes were ineffective, and did not work. Solyndra’s excuse for losing the money…They could not compete with China. On the deadline of granting these guaranteed loans he gives $1 Billion to two more solar panel companies who Surprise, Surprise cannot compete with China either.

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats.... Yet they are still POOR.

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and
Courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."

Abraham Lincoln
As ‘DontTreadOnMe’ was saying, presidential Jobs Bills will NOT create jobs for anyone who is not a Union or Lobbyist, ONLY the free market can create jobs, real sustainable jobs, places where people have an incentive to work hard, excluding fast food restaurants, the minimum wage in Texas averages $13.50 - $26.00 per hour, most get overtime if they choose to accept. Is there greed in the private sector; yes…is there greed in Unions, absolutely! Have all the Stimulus Programs created jobs? Sure, but so few of them they average cost per job is $312,500.00 per job created OR SAVED…other than Union jobs, it is completely impossible to calculate. Jobs Bills were meant by Obama to CREATE not save jobs, it did not create enough jobs in 2009, when Obama changed it to Create or Saved. Saved means the job was already there to begin with, with State Budgets losing money of which a good deal of stimulus money went to (mostly for Union pensions and the best health care money can buy)…

Rescue1 said...

The cartoon we see here is VERY SCARY. For those who we elect to run this great country are very, very slowly stripping our constitutional freedoms right out of our hands. Our very rights to choose religion, speech and even the right to bear arms. We are even being told that "ONE NATION UNDER GOD" is wrong. This can not happen. We are PROUD to be AMERICANS. What, because there are people in this country who cannot stand AMERICA. Well then, get the HELL out of our country if you don't it. People who can't stand our freedoms that talk garbage about us, GET OUT. We hold freedom very dear to our hearts and enjoy the life we live. We will not allow for some ANTI-AMERICANS to rule us. We will not stand for terrorists to take over our country. We fought for our freedoms since 1775 and we will NOT let this beacon of light go out. I as a veteran of these UNITED STATES stand tall and PROUD under the very flag that I helped to provide freedom in the Gulf War. No terrorist or anti-American is going to tell me how to live my life. I am PROUD to be an AMERICAN and at least I know I'm FREE! Bring back the AMERICAN PRIDE and get rid of these politicians who we elect that are bringing this country down.

CalabZ said...

I didn't vote for change but got it anyway. 2 Chronicles 7:14 says,
"If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways. Then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sins, and heal their land."
There is our answer. What are we going to do about it? Election Day 2012, show how you really feel.

CalabZ said...

I am not going to get into a political debate on good vs. evil, but paying 1% for each deposit in the bank; using our tax dollars to take "Joy Rides" on AF One; spending the money we have paid into SS for years for other things; weakening our military and cutting their pay just to name a few. Are these thee changes for the better you are referring to?

motorpoodle said...

Patriot55 - You seem to be a habitula liar who won't own up to lying when you're called on it. I'm going to go ahead and keep pointing out your lies though anyway even if you don't have the moral character to respond.

You said "For a president who campaigned on no more Lobbyists, suddenly has more than any other president."

Lie. Obama does not have more lobbyists than any other president. Even making this claim shows a profound lack of understanding. The president does not have direct control over the number of lobbyists that exist. Lobbyists are often people paid by companies to lobby for their interests. The number of lobbyists would then be determined how many people companies decide to employ in this capacity. Why would you try and deceive people?


"Obama recently loaned $528 Billion dollars to a auto company in Finland to build energy efficient cars"

More lies! First of all it's $529 million not billion. A big difference don't you think?

Second, it wasn't Obama. It was a "loan from the United States Department of Energy's Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing loan program initiated by Congress during the Bush Administration in 2007".

"which cost the consumer $100,000 dollars"

You completely made that up.

"then made the claim that they get 57 mpg, when they are actually 19 mpg…ooops!"

More lies! They're making extended range electric vehicles so mpg isn't even applicable.

You seriously packed the lies dense into that one. What is wrong with you?

"It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats.... Yet they are still POOR."

This is just silly many poor are no longer poor and many people that weren't poor before are now. The poor isn't some static group. Also many poor vote for Repiblicans and many other groups vote democrat. You made an all around ridiculous statement there.

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and
Courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."


Nobody is trying to do any of those things.

motorpoodle said...

"presidential Jobs Bills will NOT create jobs for anyone who is not a Union or Lobbyist"

More lies! First of all how would it create lobbyist jobs?

Second if you bother reading a little bit you'll see that it has incentives for small businesses which typical aren't union or lobbyist workers. It also would employ a lot of people working on infrastructure which we desperately need as well as teachers, police, etc.

"the minimum wage in Texas averages $13.50 - $26.00 per hour, most get overtime if they choose to accept."

I imagine you made up this data as well. Especially since most companies do not like to pay overtime. Not sure how it's relevant either since the bigger problem is not being able to find a job and not as much the wage level of non fast food workers. Also $13-$26/hr isn't very much money.

"Sure, but so few of them they average cost per job is $312,500.00 per job created OR SAVED"

I don't know who ever claimed $312,500.00 per job. I think you made that up. Some people were claiming $278,000 but that whole claim has been debunked multiple times.

"Jobs Bills were meant by Obama to CREATE not save jobs"

Wrong. It was always meant to create jobs and prevent more layoffs and job losses.

"of which a good deal of stimulus money went to (mostly for Union pensions and the best health care money can buy)…"

No. No it didn't. A quick search on where the stimulus went proves that wrong.

Why is almost everything you type untrue?

Jeff said...

I will just say one thing for those who drank the kool-aid in 2008 this time spit it out!

Patriot55 said...

To Jeff, you are correct!!

First of all, you cannot call an “Opinion” the truth or lie, sure I put the wrong number of zero’s behind the 535, big deal, and it’s not as if you are correct most of the time anyway, in fact just the opposite.

Do Unions not have Lobbyists, if not then why did each register as one? (The NLRB does not lobby for the individual Unions). Was Solyndra have a lobbyist, sure did…

“Second if you bother reading a little bit you'll see that it has incentives for small businesses which typical aren't union or lobbyist workers. It also would employ a lot of people working on infrastructure which we desperately need as well as teachers, police, etc.”

The SBA is hurting, will be taxed out of existence, if Obama wants them to survive, why does he not exempt Small Businesses from the so-called Millionaires tax? If he doesn’t then charge the Unions as well, are they being considered for the tax also…NO!!! As far as Infrastructure is concerned, why is it that the non-union State’s Infrastructure doing pretty dammed good!

The University of Connecticut in conjunction with the Statistical Abstract of the United States, the long term study reported: “Based on numerous factors, including regulations, tax policies, work force quality, education resources, quality of living and infrastructure.
While the Golden State came out on the bottom, Texas was named “Best State” list for the seventh consecutive time.
Texas was followed, in order, by North Carolina, Florida, Tennessee and Georgia.
Ranking 46th through 49th in the rankings was Michigan, New Jersey, Illinois and New York, respectively.”
J.D. Power and Associates gave the Fisker Karma its lowest possible rating, and according to the NYT, the headline was (October 21, 2011) “The Fisker Karma’s 20 M.P.G. Sticker: A Scarlet Letter? Okay, so I said 19mpg, to the NYT I was off by 1 mpg.
The largest difference between you and I is, I actually look for the truth, you on the other hand prefer to search the Internet, less reliable than MSNBC or Current TV…On the other hand, I only go to those channels when I need a good belly laugh, especially Matthews and R. Madcow.
What really seems odd to me, is that poll after poll regardless of who is taking them, all agree on two simple stats, more than 65% of Democrats think Obama is the cause of this country’s economic policies being so bad, the one which kills me is, 38% of those will vote for him anyway. The only president who is most happy with obama is Jimmy Carter…obama is making Carter look better.
I would suggest that you grow up, stop being a cynic and get over your Ideals used for YOUR truth; one thing which is undeniable is Diogenes knows he cannot find an honest man on the Left. Then again Diogenes as a philosopher was himself a dishonest man, he admitted to stealing and lying to get what he wanted, so I suppose that was a bad example.

Vatic Master said...

Here we are in 2011 and what did we learn from 2009 when all these comments were written???? We learned that the bankers control the elections and both parties are sold out. So the cartoon today is evern more relevant than it was in 2009. Its like the masters who own the production company of that cartoon were telling us exactly what they intended to do to us. Its their contract with satan. They can't do what they do without telling us first so that we are responsible for what happens to us and not them. Free agency is a bear. We were warned and did not listen. We bought and drank the elixir and now we pay. Thanks for this cartoon, I intend to put it up on my blog.

JoyFulOne said...

Miniimum wage in Texas is $7.25

Ed Darrell said...

"I will just say one thing for those who drank the kool-aid in 2008 this time spit it out!"

There's a typo in there. You meant 2010, of course.

JoyFulOne said...

In one of the comments Solyndra was mentioned. For all who don't know that was a loan directed by the Energy Department, approved by President Obama for $353 Million. The company folded. Just for the record the government has been making loans like this way before President Obama ever thought about being President. I watched a C-Span subcommittee meeting on the Solyndra issue and the Republicans were going after this administration like rabid dogs.

Well, $353 Million is a drop in the bucket compared to the 3 TRILLION for the needless and ridiculous war in Iraq. bushtard lied to Congress and the American people, then kept changing the lies to keep occupying Iraq. Where were those rabid dogs then? Iraq didn't even have anything close to a WMDs. So if Congress is going start complaining about money the government pisses away, lets start out with the big dollar items. I also saw a memo McCain wrote bashing President Obama from pulling out of Iraq too soon. Ummm. Find the video on YouTube where McCain said that we would be in and out of Iraq in 6 months. ANYTHING the Republicans say should fall on deaf ears. They can't get shit right!

DontTreadOnMe said...

In response to MOTORPOODLE, PATRIOT55, and JOYFULONE.

I agree with most of what Patriot55 states. Some, however, is a little far-fetched, but in the ballpark none the less.

How Solyndra got the money is VERY apparent. Most of the executive staff in this company were important Democratic campaign doners. Solyndra and the entire Obama Green Energy movement was a total sham. It was lobbied by the Dept. of Energy and companies that COULD benefit from it. Point blank. Fact of the matter is, most of these companies went belly-up due to the lack of interest in the consumers. These companies should have went bankrupt along time ago since these companies couldn't stand on their own two feet because of products the people of the U.S. didn't want...but instead the government gave them money taken from the same people that didn't want the product to begin with to keep them afloat and "save jobs". In my opinion, and hundreds of thousands of other Americans, the government should not be involved with the way private businesses and the economy run anyhow. The main, and only, purpose of this government is to protect the Constitution of the United States and protect our way of life and freedom.

Using Tax Payers' money to fund businesses the consumers do not want to buy from is highway robbery. I believe anyone will agree with me on that.

Continuation on next post...

DontTreadOnMe said...

@motorpoodle:
You are missing the entire point. Stimulus packages are NOT NEEDED! They are just crippling the businesses even more. Who decides where the money goes??? Who? The tax payers? Not even close. The money goes where the government wants it to go, which is usually decided by the companies who have the best tall drinks of water that front the companies plea for funds in exchange for generous contributions to "the cause". The point of all of this is, WE DON'T NEED ANYMORE STIMULUS!!! Like I said, that is just a bandage for a gaping wound. Why not stitch it up and disinfect it by getting to the root of the problem and start cutting spending by getting rid of useless federal departments and stop creating money and spending it when we don't have it? This government has defaced the value of the dollar by a ridiculous amount since the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913. Fractional banking?? What a load of crap. Giving the banks back the control of the peoples' money will in turn give people back control of THEIR money which will aid in bringing the value of the US dollar back up.
Oh yeah, @motorpoodle regarding the Lincoln quote: No one is trying to do that? How about this, "In October, Democratic leaders in the Senate replaced Mr. Obama’s proposed tax changes with a 'millionaires tax,' a 5.6 percent surtax on income over that level, but Republicans blocked the package from coming to a vote." -New York Times. "You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down." That above article seems to cover most of those if not all of them. More taxing on the rich is a slap in the face for being rich. Who would want to be rich if they just get shunned for it? I believe ALL people should be taxed equally and accordingly and abolish these ridiculous tax breaks that major businesses and corporations get.

@JoyFulOne:
I couldn't agree more on that statement regarding Pres. Bush not getting stoned by the press regarding the major spending he did. That was also during a time when the country thought we needed these wars. 8 years later it has become apparent that we do not and DID not ever need them. Militarism is also crippling this country and trying to focus on making allies and throwing money at countries that have no bearing on the U.S. people what-so-ever is ridiculous also. Republicans and Democrats both need to get their head out of their ass and get with the program to save this nation, STAY OUT OF THE ECONOMY'S WAY!

Let the supply and demand effect on the economy take the reins again...let's see how that will work out!

Ed Darrell said...

Yeah, God knows America did okay without the Transcontinental Railroad -- what a boondoggle that would have been! Private railroads without government funding were the way to go. We don't need California, anyway, right?

Plus, America's been fine since we killed the Interstate Highway system -- I mean, what goods move by trucks, huh? Wagons are good enough for the good old Yew Ess of Hay!

DontTreadOnMe said...

What are you talking about Ed Darrell??? The economy has nothing to do with the public roads, rails, and highways! Plus during the railroad days we were still expanding and the railroad was much safer than wagons due to thieves and Indian tribes out to get white folks. And nowadays private companies own airplanes, buses, trains, and the lot. But its up to governments to help maintain PUBLIC transportation systems. That's why there is a tax, ya know? What I'm talking about is our tax money going to useless crap that doesn't help us at all. Like welfare. The welfare system is so jacked up that anyone who has kids and refuses to work can get it. I do believe we should have a welfare system and medicare for those UNABLE to work or provide for themselves but there needs to be very strict limitations, and there isn't.

othermother6 said...

Yeah Robert and Victor, and others who made good points. I also would like to point out that the video came from Harding College which was ultra conservative. I mean, boys and girls weren't even allowed to hold hands there long about 1957. I am not kidding. Surely they have lightened up some since then. And re: freedom, what has happened is that the multinational corporations have taken jobs overseas and use our resources just as another way to make them even richer regardless of how much it pollutes our air and water. We need regulation on the multinational corporations.

JoyFulOne said...

To: Donttreadonme
If it was up the Republicans, there would be no middle class, failing infracture, and I could go on and on. You don't know anything about the welfare system. If you are not going to school or actively looking for a job, your benefits last for about 6 months. To qualify for Medicaid, you just about have to be pregnant, barefoot, and homeless. Go to the California Medicaid website and see for yourself.

bushtard lowered the tax rate after starting the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. That is the first time in history that has been done. Everyone raises their hands when they are asked to support our troops, but those same hands immediately go down when asked to pay 2 more percent in taxes to pay for the wars.

If you want a good taste of what our tax dollars do for our infastructure and roads, drive to Mexico City, Mexico. I am tired of the bullshit tax debate.

Sorry for my spelling, this subject just pisses me off!

JoyFulOne said...

To Ed Darrell:
You wrote: Yeah, God knows America did okay without the Transcontinental Railroad -- what a boondoggle that would have been! Private railroads without government funding were the way to go. We don't need California, anyway, right?

Plus, America's been fine since we killed the Interstate Highway system -- I mean, what goods move by trucks, huh? Wagons are good enough for the good old Yew Ess of Hay!

Kudos! I couldn't have said it better. We have twin brains! Take Care of Yourself!

peterjohnz said...

I loved the cartoon. All you who like the government to run everything should move to North Korea where the government is in charge of the people.

JoyFulOne said...

To Peter John:

If anyone doesn't like the way our government is run ought to move to Mexico. Now there you have a small administration with no middle class.

All in all, the United States finds a pretty good balance, but we are headed to a time, (if things don't change), that we won't have a middle class.

Everyone complains about regulations. Let's take a look at building code regulations. Any country that doesn't have building code regulations eat shit when there is an earthquake. Look at the roads in countries with no regulations. Pot holes the size of a Volkswagon. So before you recommend that people that are unhappy with America move to North Korea, you ought to do some research!

DontTreadOnMe said...

To JoyFulOne:

Your condescending attitude towards people on this post is really pissing me off! How can you tell me what I do and don't know when only TWO sentences were about welfare? Why don't you debate instead of calling people liars and telling that they don't know what they're talking about? Do you know how to debate??

The fact that you gave on welfare could be true...but it varies state to state. Requirements, time limits, and other prerequisites differ depending on the state in which you live. So that flat number and two prereqs you gave to qualify for welfare isn't true in my state (Alabama) nor a lot of other states. Michigan requires the recipient to spend a month in a job search program before collecting benifits; Florida requires recipients to conduct drug screening prior to receiving benefits...

Welfare started in the 1930's and been reformed several, several times over since then. It is a form of SOCIAL protection, meaning you receive help from the government in time of need. Like I said, I do not disagree with welfare...but serious reform and spending cuts need to be done within the welfare system. National Review said that the Stimulus Act of 2009 will completely reverse the Welfare to work provision that was signed in by Clinton in the 90's. Which means that it will give states funds based on the number of people on welfare in that state instead of a flat rate...WHAT?!? Pretty much condoning being on welfare and not pushing people to go out and work. Doesn't make sense. I know too many people who love to just sit on their ass and collect a welfare check...and the only job they are seeking is another man to father their 7th child.

So don't tell me what YOU THINK I do and don't know. Stop getting so butt hurt over people's comments and throw some factual rebuttals instead of calling people dumbasses.

Oh yeah, I would LOVE to see your facts and opinions on the Republican = No Middle Class argument. Because I think that its just the opposite: Democrats = No Middle Class. I care neither here nor there about either party, since I am a Libertarian, but I'm leaning more towards the Republicans right now due to the fact that Obama hasn't helped at all, there are no other decent Dem. candidates, and Ron Paul in running for Rep. Party nominee.

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