Sunday, September 20, 2009

This Cartoon Seemed Far-Fetched In 1948

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motorpoodle said...

@Warren - You said...

"Bill, I generally agree"

You agree with that racist fantasy rant that he completely made up? You started going wrong there.

"Unfortunately, the LEADERSHIP of both parties share the same goal: the subjugation and eventual enslavement of the citizens."

No, they don't. Now you are making up things like Bill. Please provide evidence that any leader from either party has this goal.

"Second, this leadership derives its goal from its master, which is the Force of pure Evil."

Ok, you made this up too. It's kinda sounds insane too. This does not constitute intelligent conversation.

Currently Obama is serving the Enemy, just as Bush did before him, and Clinton before him, etc.

How so?

"I can tell you this with absolute certainty: the division we see among our citizens today is the work of the Devil. Even if Satan didn't create the Parties, he has incorporated them for his purpose: to keep us divided. Because as long as we can be kept squabbling over the small stuff he and his minions can get on with the business of destroying our Free, Sovereign, Constitutional Republic. Once that is accomplished we can be willingly herded into their "New World Order", ruled and enslaved by one master."

This fantasy stuff is pretty wacky but interesting in a fictional way. I do not think it helps bring people together. What we need is to discuss issues based on facts and reason. Otherwise we get everyone off in their own little made up world instead of dealing with real world issues.

Unknown said...

@joemama - You said...

"This fantasy stuff is pretty wacky but interesting in a fictional way. I do not think it helps bring people together. What we need is to discuss issues based on facts and reason. Otherwise we get everyone off in their own little made up world instead of dealing with real world issues."

I agree. It is interesting in a fictional way. What I find most intriguing is this:

1) If everyone starts agreeing with each other, focusing on a single ideal... it will be because the evil forces have taken over, socializing the world, destroying freedoms, tricking citizens, etc...

2) If everyone continues to disagree, it is due to pure evil, trying to divide us, so that the socialists can take over...

Entertaining, really. In fact, this can be summarized with three facts:

1) Socialists are the most powerful beings on Earth.

2) Non-socialists are powerless, weak, naive, and are being taken over.

3) Evil is more powerful than good and will always win in the end.


It is certainly not the type of storyline from Hollywood... but I am sure Hollywood also consists of socialists controlled by the Devil, tricking us into thinking that happy endings reign supreme... meanwhile, Hollywood and the other socialists are taking over the world.

It is certainly entertaining. You might as well stick a bag of socialist popcorn in the microwave, 'cause there's a great show ahead.

Ryan Emerson Johnson said...

What's funny to me, that all the more conservative fellows seemed to miss, is that one of the people "rubbed out" after ceding government control was the labor union! Let's see, when did that happen? Under Reagan. Who tripled the deficit in his term? Reagan.

Let's face it, the 80s-00s were times we should have been spending more frugally, getting into less wars, taxing the rich at a steady and healthy rate, and we wouldn't be in HALF the messes we got ourselves into. This is the fault of both parties, who haven't let Libertarians or Green Party representatives in to speak on behalf of the people, even though that would be the way to a more perfect union.

The labor union, the corporation, the average joe... all are threatened in this cartoon. The enemy is government, NOT socialism per se! Open your eyes.

Class of 1958 said...

Richard Petrella
AMEN

A & V said...

SATIN IS THE MAN BEHIND THE NICE TIE. HE OFFERS ALL FOR A SIGNATURE.

THE WOMAN IN THE COURT ROOM, HER NAME IS SEDUCTION AND SHE IS CAME TO STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY.

THE LITTLE MAN THAT READ THE CONTRACT IS THE SILENT WHISPER SPEAKING GOOD.

A & V said...

SATIN IS THE MAN BEHIND THE NICE TIE. HE OFFERS ALL FOR A SIGNATURE.

THE WOMAN IN THE COURT ROOM, HER NAME IS SEDUCTION AND SHE IS CAME TO STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY.

THE LITTLE MAN THAT READ THE CONTRACT IS THE SILENT WHISPER SPEAKING GOOD.

motorpoodle said...

LOL@ "Satin is the man behind the nice tie".

Maybe he should have bought a silk one. :)

Unknown said...

Hahaha... Satin/Silk comment for the win.

{singing}

Knights in white satan...

Anonymous said...

This is what Washington has been pushing for the last 50 years. If we don't stand up and stop it, it'll happen.

motorpoodle said...

Wait, what are you saying they've been pushing for 50 years exactly?

Unknown said...

Washington has been pushing for more and more cartoons for the last 50 years.

First, they pushed the Simpsons on us, to make us more like Springfield and to increase the number of Nuclear plants.

Then, they pushed Futurama and Family Guy on us.

Now, they're pushing more and more cartoons on us.

If we don't stand up and stop Washington, we'll all become cartoons.

motorpoodle said...

Crap, I hear Futurama is coming back too.

We're doomed.

illustrator5 said...

Excuse me but if you would educate yourself about the bill that turned over the Glass-Stegal act you would know it was crafted by two Republicans and pushed through by a majority GOP senate and congress! That is the problem with people is they don't get their facts straight!

BTW where the hell were all of you when the Patriot Act was passed? You didn't see you liberties taken then when the government could monitor anyone?

"Billionaire Sanford Weill made 'Citigroup' into the most powerful financial institutions since the House of Morgan a century ago. A major trophy of Sanford's is the pen Bill Clinton used to sign the REPEAL of FDR's Banking Act - a move which allowed Weill to create Citigroup. " Sanford Weill called President Clinton to break the deadlock after Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, warned Citigroup LOBBYIST Roger Levy that Weill has to get the White House moving on the bill or he would shut down the House-Senate Conference. A deal was announced at 2:45 a.m. Just days after the Clinton administration (including the Treasury Department) agrees to support the REPEAL, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the former co-chairman of a major Wall Street investment bank, Goldman Sachs, raises eyebrows by accepting a top job at Citigroup as Weill's chief lieutenant. The previous year, Weill had called Rubin to give him advance notice of the upcoming merger announcement. When Weill told Rubin he had some important news, the secretary reportedly quipped, "You're buying the government." Progressive Historian

illustrator5 said...

Excuse me but if you would educate yourself about the bill that turned over the Glass-Stegal act you would know it was crafted by two Republicans and pushed through by a majority GOP senate and congress! That is the problem with people is they don't get their facts straight!

BTW where the hell were all of you when the Patriot Act was passed? You didn't see you liberties taken then when the government could monitor anyone?

"Billionaire Sanford Weill made 'Citigroup' into the most powerful financial institutions since the House of Morgan a century ago. A major trophy of Sanford's is the pen Bill Clinton used to sign the REPEAL of FDR's Banking Act - a move which allowed Weill to create Citigroup. " Sanford Weill called President Clinton to break the deadlock after Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, warned Citigroup LOBBYIST Roger Levy that Weill has to get the White House moving on the bill or he would shut down the House-Senate Conference. A deal was announced at 2:45 a.m. Just days after the Clinton administration (including the Treasury Department) agrees to support the REPEAL, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, the former co-chairman of a major Wall Street investment bank, Goldman Sachs, raises eyebrows by accepting a top job at Citigroup as Weill's chief lieutenant. The previous year, Weill had called Rubin to give him advance notice of the upcoming merger announcement. When Weill told Rubin he had some important news, the secretary reportedly quipped, "You're buying the government." Progressive Historian

alum said...

Amazing that a cartoon from over 50 years ago could still cause so much controversy today. I agree that our leaders have not always been good, but they are our leader and require our support and respect.

daniel john said...

The point that this cartoon seems to be making, is beware of any individual, organization, or administration that attempts to escalate class, or race warfare to divide the country and make socialism appear to be the only solution.
Term Paper

Mike Rasberry said...

I wonder just how many of those who posted in support of Obama, still feel that way. Such a shame these folk seem unable to see beyond this moment.

Mike Rasberry said...

Joe Mama said, "At least stimulus spending was one thing Bush and Obama agreed was necessary to keep the economy from tanking far further than it did."

I think you mean that the Stimulus was beneficial. Only the most liberal ideologue can continue to believe the inane redistribution of funds confiscated from the private sector to liberal cronies has benefited the economy.

It has simply empowered those fringe elements whose influence far surpasses their public support.

Mike Rasberry said...

Ryan said, "What's funny to me, that all the more conservative fellows seemed to miss, is that one of the people "rubbed out" after ceding government control was the labor union!"

Ryan, the unions were once a great voice for the common man. However, they ceased to represent the "hoi Poli" during the 1960's when they become a part of the social engineering perpetrated on us by Eastern Intellectuals who felt they were the aristocracy--entitled to rule by dictum because of their superior station in life.

The Unions regressed further as corruption, greed, and power became more important than representing the common man.

The Unions in the upper mid-West are primarily responsible for that section of America becoming known as "the rust belt." That tag had nothing to do with salt on the roads, rather it reflected the attitude of the unionized worker whose approach seemed. "Get all you can, can what you get, and sit on the can." They got so much, they nearly bankrupted the Upper Mid-west and left the area with rusting factory hulks, exorbitant tax bases, declining property values, and ever increasing unemployment.

truerepublican said...

Great clip from yesteryear. Would be even greater if George Washington or Robert Taft, U.S. Senator of that time period was in the background at the end instead of Lincoln. Ron Paul should be president!...2012!

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6789 said...

Pay attention to history. At the time this cartoon was made we were helping the French in Viet Nam, fighting off socialism movement in the United States and FDR’s programs had come to be in the last 8 years. The ‘ism’ was a problem. North Viet Nam had solicited Russia for military help and Communism spreading caused fear in America.

The Government’s job is to enforce the laws of our country and protect its citizens from foreign invasion. We can blame Bush or Obama but the majority voted for whom ever is in office. In our country majority rules. We have a constitutional right to have representation. Let whom ever represents you know how you want to be represented. Speak up or Shut up.

The reason this cartoon hits home today is that history often repeats itself and we are facing yet another socialistic bill. The government thinks that all citizens should be "ENTITLED" to the same thing, House, health care, cars, boats, RVs, designer clothes and so forth. In decades past, You had to do something to get something. There has never been in any country, even the socialist countries, a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage. The cartoon demonstrated that in order to get something you must give up something. To have sameness means you give up choices, Freedom.

motorpoodle said...

@6789 - You said "The government thinks that all citizens should be "ENTITLED" to the same thing, House, health care, cars, boats, RVs, designer clothes and so forth.

No, that's a lie. We the people think that all Americans should have access to certain basis things. Roads, libraries, police and fire protection, military protection, healthcare, post office, and such.

Our current healthcare system is horrendously inefficient. We spend WAY more per capita on healthcare than most if not all of the 30+ other countries that have better healthcare than us. They manage to cover all their citizens too.

Most of the country says they want a public option to compete with private insurance. This will allow us another choice and MORE FREEDOM YAY!

Imagine the freedom when you don't have to worry about going into medical bankruptcy for a hospital visit even when you have insurance like so many have.

motorpoodle said...

@Mike Rasberry - You said "I think you mean that the Stimulus was beneficial. Only the most liberal ideologue can continue to believe the inane redistribution of funds confiscated from the private sector to liberal cronies has benefited the economy.

It has simply empowered those fringe elements whose influence far surpasses their public support."


That's not a very interesting conspiracy theory. I know you made it up but it could at least be a little believable.

All we have to do is check if there was a "redistribution of funds confiscated from the private sector to liberal cronies" and when we see that there wasn't everyone will ignore that nonsense.

Unknown said...

If you are an optimist,you see this one way,a pessimist ,the other.but i believe this ship is slowly sinking.i'm gonna start baling.

Warren said...

@Stuart:
At this point I'm not sure bailing will help. Looks like it's just about time to turn the boat over and see who can swim.

motorpoodle said...

It'd be more interesting if Stuart and Warren had some more specific complaints.

Anonymous said...

Come on, people. There is no "God".

Warren said...

@Penny:
A couple years ago I could possibly have been persuaded you are correct. I spent well over a half-century as something of an agnostic, convinced that I didn't know and nobody else did either. But He kept bringing me evidence to the contrary, until it could no longer be ignored.

I have learned many Truths from my experiences over the last few years, and one of them is this: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." In matters pertaining to God it is generally evidence of a mind too tightly closed to accept the obvious. Looking back, this was certainly the case with me.

I once railed against the dogma of various religions. This was easy for me because I had not yet confronted the far greater dogma of my blind rejection. Now I know all religion actually is, is an open-minded search for the Truth. Trouble doesn't begin until one ceases the search and imagines (s)he has found all the answers for everybody.

I pray you will see, to state, "There is no 'God'" is every bit as dogmatic as to state "There IS a God, Her Name is Frank, and She doesn't like asparagus." And then I pray you will open your eyes.

gwf said...

Whatever Bush,Clinton,Bush Senior,Reagan,Carter,etc,etc did I feel they did what they thought was best for Our Country. Another words they love this Country. I just can't bring myself to say that about the present occupant of the White House. I feel he's doing everything he can to destroy this Country. If the Kool Aid drinking Liberal and Progressives don't realize this very soon we are doomed. We must stick together and defeat obama and his communist buddies.

motorpoodle said...

@gwf - You said "I just can't bring myself to say that about the present occupant of the White House."

Of course he loves this country. He's been helping the citizens of this country for a long time.

"I feel he's doing everything he can to destroy this Country."

That's just crazy. What is he doing to destroy the country? He's brought us back from the brink of economic disaster that Bush put us in. He's trying to make sure all Americans have access to decent healthcare. These are good things.

Bush on the other hand didn't care about the country. He purposely mislead us into a giant mistake of a war in Iraq costing vast sums of money and lives. He wrecked the econonmy with the war and his tax cuts for the rich...neither of which he bothered to pay for. Large sums of money just went missing. He started wiretapping citizens and pushed through the Patriot Act.

Tke Kool Aid drinking Beck following conservatives, neocons, and republicans need to wake up and realize we need to support Obama in his attempts to heal all the destruction the previous admin did.

Unknown said...

I took an early retirement from the Fed Gov't in 1989. It was corrupt then and in the last 21 years has grow so bad that I do not think that it can be fixed. I am really concerned for my country, and am dismayed that it will be in such a mess for my grandchildren. I have been trying to tell people how bad it is in DC, but they laugh at me, and they still do. they still do not realize how bad it is. How can any intelligent person think that the policies advocated by this Admin., and the last several, are good for the country. They have already bankrupted us and that is without the health care legislation and cap and trade. Down here in NC, people are already raising Hell about the utilities bills and how will they cope with cap and trade and 20% increases in utilities and $7 per gallon gas. DC is broken and we need to clean house.

Warren said...

Bill, I couldn't agree more except I still have a bit of hope the Republic can be saved and restored. Various politicians and many administrations have been paving the way for the "New World Order" since the ink was drying on our Constitution. This hasn't had a thing to do with Republicans or Democrats for a long time, rather it's all about people who are willing to compromise with the purest of Evil to serve their own self-interests.

I loath Obama and Bush for mostly the same reasons, though my disdain for Obama is considerably greater. However, anyone who blames either of them for the mess this country is in has simply not been paying attention for at least the last half century. Yes, GWB did his part, and yes, Obama is certainly doing his and will likely run the ball into the End-zone. But each of them owes a huge debt of gratitude to numerous predecessors for setting up the play.

I am constantly amazed and dismayed otherwise intelligent, presumably educated people can view the same reality I see every day and remain happily blind to the Truth.

Unknown said...

It's sad to say but we've been losing our freedoms for along time because some voted not for what the president will do for the country but rather for what he will do for "me." And so we are well on our way to what John Q. was talking about.

motorpoodle said...

I'd love to hear some specific things some of you people think is wrong with current policies besides the vague "running the ball into the end zone".

Bill is complaining about "bankrupting the country". I'll asume he's talking about the Bush/Obama bailouts and the unnecessary Iraq war and the Bush tax cuts that weren't paid for.

I fully agree about the wasted money and lives from the Iraq war and the tax cuts for the rich were a disaster.

I do wonder how he thinks things wouldn't have gone without the bailouts. Bill's plan I'm guessing would have been to just let all the banks and other companies fail. I'm not happy about everything that happened with the bailouts, especially the huge bonuses some of the banks that took them are handing out.

If we had let all those companies fail and go out of business I do think unemployment would be far higher and the economy would have been in shambles.

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neilrieck said...

Wow how things have changed since 1948. Today, the HMOs (under the guise of uber-capital-ISM) have no problem putting a family in the poor house by declaring that mom's cancer was a pre-existing condition. Since most of the jobs have been off-shored to China and India, the only way for the common man to bring home the bacon for his family is to join the military then fight in some far away country for months at a time. Bankers get bailouts and bonuses, but who speaks for the little guy when he misses a mortgage payment prompting the same bank to foreclose on him?
After WW-2 five out of every eight jobs was a union job but corporate fat cats have whittled that down to two out of eight. Is it better to concentrate wealth in the upper class or would America be better served by distributing more of it to the working middle class who would spend it? Meanwhile, tycoons have moved their message of "uber-capitalism is good while socialism is bad" from newspapers to a medium they can better control: Cable News Networks (right now I am thinking about Rupert Murdoch and Fox News but some days CNN goes a little overboard). Is it any wonder that Northern European countries have the best standard of living with their carefully controlled mixture of capitalism and socialism? We don't want unbridled uber-captitalism, we want managed capitalism. The best metaphor for this is comparing a fast growing weed to managed agriculture.

Jim said...

I, too, taught History for 20 years. I've been a student of it allmy life and I'm 59 years old now. One thing seemed glaringly ommitted from this little film. When the little fellow at the end was surrounded by barbed wire in his own private Gulag, he was saying, "We've got to fight to get out freedoms back!" But if we've already given up many of the other freedoms, that fight will be a battle royal. It'll be difficult beyond belief. For example, if The State has already signed the United Nations Small Arms treaty, most of us won't have any weapons with which to fight back against big brother. And remember, Jefferson said, The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." I'm afraid that, on most issues these days, I'd have to throw my hat in with John C. Calhoun. There's already way too much government control over our lives, our speech, our free expression, and our access to the means of self defense in today's America. The states, and above all, The People, need to maintain a tight hold on THEIR rights and whittle the Feds down to size.

Unknown said...

Jim says I, too, taught History for 20 years. I've been a student of it allmy life and I'm 59 years old now. One thing seemed glaringly ommitted from this little film. When the little fellow at the end was surrounded by barbed wire in his own private Gulag, he was saying, "We've got to fight to get out freedoms back!" But if we've already given up many of the other freedoms, that fight will be a battle royal. It'll be difficult beyond belief. For example, if The State has already signed the United Nations Small Arms treaty, most of us won't have any weapons with which to fight back against big brother. And remember, Jefferson said, The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." I'm afraid that, on most issues these days, I'd have to throw my hat in with John C. Calhoun. There's already way too much government control over our lives, our speech, our free expression, and our access to the means of self defense in today's America. The states, and above all, The People, need to maintain a tight hold on THEIR rights and whittle the Feds down to size.
Bill says we need now more than ever to keep the lid on the feds. Whittle them way down. If health care as proposed passes we can all kiss our freedoms good bye, because the other monstrosities are just around the corner., i.e. cap and trade, and amnesty.

Unknown said...

Remember in school when a test said to read the instructions first?
The same people who didn't are the same ones who completely missed what the cartoon is saying at the end!
This was an not an anti-ism film. Its about tolerance of different people and their ideas.
The 'ism' is vehicle of something un-American that their audience of the times could relate to.

motorpoodle said...

@bill - you said "If health care as proposed passes we can all kiss our freedoms good bye".

Could you please tell us how more people having access to health care will strip all your freedoms?

Seems like a bit of a stretch.

Unknown said...

All barry the Kenyan Socialist needs is a moustache, he is EXACTLY like the snake oil salesman!!! Thanks to all of the IDIOTS who put this Socialist MORON in office!!! IMPEACH NOW!!!!

motorpoodle said...

@Eugene - Sorry to break it to you but Obama is not Kenyan, socialist, or a moron. Also he hasn't done anything impeachable.

You've been misinformed. He's actually much smarter and more informed than the last admin. You should have watched him take questions on his visit to the GOP.

I do find it amusing when people like you who obviously have no understanding of anything just name call, throw out labels, and say idiotic things like "impeach him".

David said...

What a great video! This definately applies since Obamacare just passed.

jacque said...

why is it that the politicians say cut costs, yet spend the most, including money we don't have? If goverment healthcare is so great, why are the politicians and presidents ectera not on the same as the people? why can they vote themselves a raise, or go on vacation even when they are over the deadline for a decision on budgets, ectera? How has the goverment become able to tell us who and how we run our business' and why can they run the car and banking industry? what happened to of the people, for the people, by the people.....

motorpoodle said...

@jacque - What government healthcare are the people on that the politicians are not? Medicare?

Not sure what you're talking about.

Also the government isn't running the banking and car industry.

"what happened to of the people, for the people, by the people....."

Nothing, the people voted in people that would reform the healthcare system. It worked. Yay!

2ndAmendmentPatriot said...

“We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism.” ~ Soviet Leader Nikita Khrushchev, 1959

Pres. Obama chaired the U.N. security council in Sep. 2009, while the G-20 summit was being held. This is a direct violation of Articl 1, section 9 of th Constitution. Impeachment proceedings should be intiated on this fact alone.

robono said...

Freedom from Government??? Tell me where the government is NOT present?

What state or industry doesn't benefit from the Interstate Highway System??? Yes, BENEFIT from an efficient movement of commerce... ALL courtesy of the BIG BAD FEDS.... Oh, and who in the 65 and older crowd wants to give up Medicare in favor of private medicine for ALL Americans including the elderly??? Just ask Ask AARP to poll their members... I suspect that it won't fly far-- TOO many pre-existing conditions here for FREE ENTERPRISE to work!!!

Why should the Federal Government be involved in any business regulations??? Do away with the Federal Reserve System and abolish the FDIC!!! RIGHT???.... I don't think that the benefits of abolition of these BIG BAD FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BRANCHES would do much to make our economic system stronger... In fact, common sense of any minion would lead to a different conclusion.

While my arguments pointing to some of the many benefits of 50 States and their citizens banding together for a common good (commonly referred to as the U.S.A.) are brief here, my point is there are many benefits derived from the Federalization of commerce that standardizes promotes and enhances economic activity.... IN WHICH WE ALL BENEFIT... regardless of one's geographic location, net worth, race, or religion... OH -- and throw in a dash of compassion... and that's what makes America... AMERICA

Folks.... I LOVE my individual Freedoms too... but I learned the hard way long ago to look at BOTH sides of the transaction in depth BEFORE you speak, yeah or nay….. America has been good to just about all of us… some more and some less.

Just a thought on this Easter day.

Unknown said...

Just listen to the last part:

"Anyone that tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred or religious intolerance..."

Sounds like today. All the libs following it to the letter.

Drones....

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motorpoodle said...

@Greg - You said ""Anyone that tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred or religious intolerance..."

Sounds like today. All the libs following it to the letter.

Drones...."


Class warfare, race hatred, and religious intolerance are mostly causes of conservative drones.

Anonymous said...

Reading all of these Conservative-Uber-Alles comments by Right-wing history revisionists is a knee-slapping HOOT!!

Hopefully, you Whackos are partially correct and Obama will soon outlaw reproduction (and require neutering and spaying) of all IDIOTS with an I.Q. less than 60 points. (Retroactively, that would have eliminated the bulk of the RIGHT-WING LUNACY displayed herein).

You intelligence-free butt-wypes need to occasionally pry yourselves away from the drug-addled rants of Rush Limbaugh and the psychopathic and paranoid excretia spewing out of the mouth of Glenn Beck long enough to listen to the REAL evening news.

REAL NEWS FLASH: The Apocalyptic predictions of John Boner (intentional misspelling) and the subsequent reaction on Wall Street after passage of Health Care Reform somehow just don't add up.

Anger at the drastic GLOBAL injuries resulting from the failed 8 year-lon Conservative experiment a/k/a the Bush/Cheney administration is very understandable - I'm right there with you. However, trying to blame Obama for the calamitous results of 8 years of GOP excesses is like blaming the tow-truck operator trying to pull the bus out of the ditch for being the cause of the wreck, (but that might require analytical abilities beyond the reach of your typical Right-wing, Fox News Channel "sheeple").

The sun continues to rise in the East and the beat goes on, and on, and on . . . . . . .

Anonymous said...

Reading all of these Conservative-Uber-Alles comments by Right-wing history revisionists is a knee-slapping HOOT!!

Hopefully, you Whackos are partially correct and Obama will soon outlaw reproduction (and require neutering and spaying) of all IDIOTS with an I.Q. less than 60 points. (Retroactively, that would have eliminated the bulk of the RIGHT-WING LUNACY displayed herein).

You intelligence-free butt-wypes need to occasionally pry yourselves away from the drug-addled rants of Rush Limbaugh and the psychopathic and paranoid excretia spewing out of the mouth of Glenn Beck long enough to listen to the REAL evening news.

REAL NEWS FLASH: The Apocalyptic predictions of John Boner (intentional misspelling) and the subsequent reaction on Wall Street after passage of Health Care Reform somehow just don't add up.

Anger at the drastic GLOBAL injuries resulting from the failed 8 year-lon Conservative experiment a/k/a the Bush/Cheney administration is very understandable - I'm right there with you. However, trying to blame Obama for the calamitous results of 8 years of GOP excesses is like blaming the tow-truck operator trying to pull the bus out of the ditch for being the cause of the wreck, (but that might require analytical abilities beyond the reach of your typical Right-wing, Fox News Channel "sheeple").

The sun continues to rise in the East and the beat goes on, and on, and on . . . . . . .

stevesuperpimp said...

It seems everybody has someone to blame, but the reality is that We The People have let ourselves become complacent with our elected officials. They no longer hold laws up against the Constitution, but rather hold them up against precedents. "If it's been done before, we can do it again, only more of it." This needs to be stopped, and it can only be done by voting out all incumbents, and electing only those who will uphold the Constitution itself, not some precedent law, whose Constitutionality is questionable. Only the People can restore our country to it's former glory. And let's stop blaming politicians for things we allowed them to do.

Unknown said...

You can see from these comments why our nation is in such turmoil. The divisiveness of the left is working, folks. Either think logically or we all lose our freedoms.
And when will you stop blaming Bush??! Your lamestream media had 8 years to uncover all the alleged activity you whine about, but all they did was bash,bash,bash. Enough already - let's get to work & clean up Washington D.C.

smokeykeita said...

It is quite peculiar lady and gentlemen that you apply this particular cartton that played back in 1948 to Obama's Presidency.

Matter fact he was not born yet and their definitely was no black folk running the White House infact we were being chased and hunged by the KKK most of us scared shitless.

For those of you out there that point the finger of blame towards Obama calling him names lying like he is not a US citizen inciting he is turning America into a socialist Country.

Remember when you point that finger toward him you have 4 fingers pointed back at you meaning you can blame yourself 4 times more then him. It is called the finger of ridicule.

Blessings, I hope you find some inner peace in your life God is watching and 80% of you claim to be christians.

bluarc said...

Protect and defend against all our Constitution. That seems a simple statement, however one must understand the intent. The constitution is represenitive of all, "We The People", we the people rule we should make the laws of the united states. The way to accomplish that would be to have the represenitives check in with their constituants first that way there is no doubt as to which way to vote and the votes may not be bought. No pork attached to bills with or without merit, No pork period. there would have to be a bill for each item. No amendments to the bill without the authors consent and that would mean the authors would have to sign on to any amendments or no amendments, and no pork in the form of amendments, that way one may not be prone to sign to anything for the price of a vote.

MidnightRose Segall aka DOT Doctor said...

Moral of the story - Obama is today's snake oil salesman.

Unknown said...

Do you think people had health concerns at the founding of this country? Probably more so than today!! Then why wasn't it enough of a concern to list it as a basic responsibility of the government in the drafting of the Constitution? Here's why... the men that drafted our Constitution were SMART enough to know that healthcare should NOT be a responsibility of the government! Nor education, nor retirement, nor employment, nor housing, nor personal/corporate debt, ad nauseam. They did not "overlook" these things. They understood the purpose of government to be simply limited to protecting individuals' rights to pursue their own success or failure in this life with no interference from government. More government ALWAYS means less freedom!

Unknown said...

""""Actually many of our founding fathers were NOT Christians.

Further, if you were to look at unvarnished view of US History you will find that there was a very strong Jewish presence during Colonial times.""""

ya, a scumbag named Issac Monsanto , a jew slave dealer ended up ruining the food chain.

dady01 said...

It All Started With NAFTA passed By Bill Clinton Whom was controlled by The Democrats Just like they control the current Admin..... We Need to CHANGE Obama Reed Pelosi
THAT WILL BE CHANGE WE CAN LIVE WITH !!!
REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!

dady01 said...

It All Started With NAFTA passed By Bill Clinton Whom was controlled by The Democrats Just like they control the current Admin..... We Need to CHANGE Obama Reed Pelosi
THAT WILL BE CHANGE WE CAN LIVE WITH !!!
REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!

Unknown said...

Many have forgotten or never knew, that when they blame President Bush for the Debt, He had NO control over the Dept.
It is CONGRESS that Passes the Bills that create Debt. The Democrats had control of Congress all during the Bush Administration. It was CONGRESS, just as it is NOW congress voting to spend Huge Sums, that will double, triple, and keep on adding to the debt. Why do you think they voted to increase the Debt ceiling to 14 Trillion.beth315

Unknown said...

Many have forgotten or never knew, that when they blame President Bush for the Debt, He had NO control over the Dept.
It is CONGRESS that Passes the Bills that create Debt. The Democrats had control of Congress all during the Bush Administration. It was CONGRESS, just as it is NOW congress voting to spend Huge Sums, that will double, triple, and keep on adding to the debt. Why do you think they voted to increase the Debt ceiling to 14 Trillion.beth315

BuckandTye said...

"ISM" and what "government" is today is one in the same. It's a shame what government has done to our America since 1948. Every thing the government has intervened in over the years has failed and burdened the taxpayers. Vote all the incumbents out!!!! I don't care if they are a republican or democrat. We need Americans in office who will restore our liberties and sovereignty!!!!

These politicians today think of office as a country club. If their lips are moving they are lying.

JimV said...

I have comment # 443. (I must confess that I have NOT read the whole 442 comments.) It is actually a quotation from Alexis de Tocqueville, of all things-a Frenchman, after a visit to the USA in the early 1800's. I also confess to getting this quotation wrong before. What he had to say rings clear to me, after reading many of the comments here. "A democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it." I realize that this is a republic. I also realize this applies to ME in the voting booth. Both sides of the aisle, R's and D's, L's and C's would do well to remember this when making decisions to "better" our lives.

Mark Lewis said...

That snake oil salesman sounded a LOT like a certain president in office right now. Thanks for sharing this, Victor....it should be shared across the globe!

Dexter VanDango said...

This cartoon is wonderful.. and I agree with 99.9% of it.

But it was funny that the writer had to bend over backwards to avoid saying Capitalism thereby making it just another ism.. he said the capitalistic system instead.

What the cartoon, dated as it was, never mentioned, was an expression that probably like didn't exist then - consumerism, the mad desire for too many material things and the driving force behind capital....istic systems.. which may eventually end in life-threatening pollution, envy, wars, and gross materialism.

The cartoon wisely warned against division along racial lines and hatred for particular religions. I'm sure that part will be ignored by many.

Anonymous said...

Dexter, I don't think capitalism necessarily leads to gross materialism and all the evils associated with it. The fact that that exists today is a result partly of manipulation by the mass media (which I think is by design in order to keep us distracted with trinkets and baubles and trivialities, while the statists/ globalists take over our economy). Those who wish to control and manipulate the populace understand the way the human mind works, and use it to their advantage. During the time when capitalism truly worked (namely, when there wasn't such a high degree of crony capitalism-- which isn't true capitalism), people were not greedy for things, and did not generally confuse "wants" with "needs" like they do today. You made a good point, the word consumerism probably wasn't in the vocabulary with this film was made.

egnalag said...

As an American of Hispanic descent it saddens me to see the entitlement mentality of this next generation. We the people of America built this country to be greatest on earth with hard work and dedication. This generation, under the leadership of a socialist, will tear it down without a backward glance as to what they are giving up. For the promise of security they will give up the precious freedom to be thinking human beings. Liberalism will destroy in 4 years what a generation of people fought and died for. Wake up America! If Obama does not like the way this country is perhaps he should return to his "homeland" and live there. He is a fraudulent president in a foreign land. God help us! The money this president and his cronies are making off the backs of the hard working people in this country is shameful!

Unknown said...

@Eliz,

I could be reading it wrong, but I don't believe Dexter was saying capitalism leads to gross materialism.

I believe Dexter was saying that gross materialism is the driving force behind capitalism.

I believe you have reversed the cause and effect.

Looking into this further, however... you blame the media for gross materialism, saying that its purpose is to "distract us". What I see, however, are corporations controlling media to hype new products.

My local news talks about American Idol episodes than what's going on in Iraq. The entirety of media is smitten with Apple. These are all carefully planned corporate initiatives to sell more stuff. Press Releases used to be about news. Now, they're ads disguised as articles. Blogs used to be about 12-year-olds giving their opinions on the world. Now, many bloggers are former journalists being paid by a corporate sponsor.

Jeff said...

At 1:05 in the video, they show two black children in school with white children in 1948.

jgalt said...

With our marxist and muslim "great leader", we are there now. While comrade Hussein's trolls attack the message in this cartoon, it is spot on. November may be our last chance to save this country peacefully, which is the left's greatest fear. As for the impossibility of any revolution succeeding, don't bet on the armed services to support Hussein and his clique of marxist thugs. History says that violent revolution can, and must, succeed where the people do not support those in power and lose their freedom. Just pray, or even strongly hope if that is not your method, that we can chance the course of this once great nation in November without the necessity of force to protect our freedoms. Otherwise, comrade Obummer's goal of another Venezuela or Cuba is closer to it's horrible reality.

BuckandTye said...

jgalt, you hit the nail on the head!!!

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
So says I and Thomas Jefferson

Anonymous said...

jgalt & Buck&Tye Ol' Buddies -

Violence-advocating Whackos like you guys are WAY TOO DANGEROUS to allow to go UNREPORTED.

Sleep well tonight knowing that I felt it was my patriotic duty to my Beloved Nation to forward your Right-wing CRAP postings to Homeland Security.

Know thee very well Ol' Buddies, that from here on out, your EVERY future move is now under CLOSE FEDERAL SCRUTINY!!!

If you think for a heart-beat that there's not plenty of room in Maximum Security Federal Prisons for ilk like you and your Whacko Hutaree buddies, keep mouthing off with your STUPID SH*T LUNATIC RIGHT-WING rhetoric, and see how long it takes for your reality to undergo a swift and severe trip to the closest Federal Courthouse.

XOXO -
BenDereDunDat

Unknown said...

Hey just thought I'd clarify that, in fact, most of the founding fathers prescribed to deism and believed in individual rights, the separation of church and state, and also believed in every American was entitled to the rights of life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. Just thought I'd mention that in case any nay-sayers pop-up given I noticed a couple earlier. Alight then, laters.

Unknown said...

The only thing this shows me is that the extremist right-wingers are running out of new ideas for their fear-mongering propaganda.

BuckandTye said...

"BenDereDunDat" Nice-A real smart ass name for sure. Man you have allot of hate pent up inside you. Hate building due to your liberal agenda is disappearing. The Tea-Parties are just the beginning of the silent majority in this country waking up. You feel the heat and your frustrations grow every night as you see everyday ordinary people protesting in the streets as Tea-Partiers. It's a slow coming but even the alphabets (abc,cbs,nbc) can't ignore what's going on in this country.

The last I heard America was a free country and I do not fear my government! I like the way you feel you must report to your gestapo??? Hey, I could care less what you do. I have nothing to hide... When an American citizen (myself)has to fear erroneous allegations there will be no Liberty in this country. If our freedom of speech ever becomes eroded that will be a time Liberty is gone. Go back to your little hole and put your head back in the sand.

Anonymous said...

Sorry I didn't have time to read every posting. However, what I took away from this cartoon is that the problem are there is that which seeks to divide us. That's most likely the MEDIA. We have to stop this tug of war and go back to working together. Time to act like grownups and drop the infighting and misplaced conspiracy theories. Cas

Shelby said...

Frankly, this seems to be an attack on communism rather than anything else ANYONE else has posted. I maybe young but I do not see the correlation between this video and today. But I see a strong relation to communism, ie this was when Communist Russia came into existence etc. I don't see our "precious" America going this direction... unfortunately people fail to help people on our own so the Gov't is stepping in because our country is full of selfish, lazy, money hungry fools. Tell me if you disagree with me but this is still America and I still have my FREEDOM of Speech.

Anonymous said...

Dear Juggernaught –

I am VERY disappointed in you.

You “Righties” run around espousing your inalienable Rights to FREEDOM OF SPEECH, exploit those Rights to justify spewing violence-advocating LUNACY, and then turn around and DENY anyone with OPPOSING VIEWS access to the identical First Amendment Rights, that you tout as providing the very foundation to promulgate your Extremists’ views.

Let me hear you say “HYPOCRITE”!!

On April 19th, (which happened to be the EXACT 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Domestic Terrorist Bombing - the most heinous act of violence ever committed against our Beloved Nation by a RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST COWARD), I had the AUDACITY (Gasp, Gasp) to express my OPINION that there is a CAUSE & EFFECT relationship between unbridled spewage of anti-government, VIOLENCE-ADVOCATING RIGHT-WING RHETORIC and subsequent acts of violence by mentally unstable fringe elements of your movement, (who view your unchallenged VIOLENCE-ADVOCATING RIGHT-WING RHETORIC as perverted justification for their subsequent mentally-ill acts of violence).

Like a COWARD, you chose to NOT publish my OPINION (posted following this epistle, for your convenient reference).

If/when another Right-wing Extremist act of domestic terrorism does occur, please realize that there is indeed a CAUSE & EFFECT between dangerous and careless comments posted on Extremist Blog Sites like Juggernaught and the subsequent COWARDLY acts of mentally-unstable people who exploit your promulgation of VIOLENCE-ADVOCATING RHETORIC as a justification for their LUNACY.

I CHALLENGE YOU!!! Grow a pair and go ahead & publish my opposing-view post!! If you are TOO COWARDLY to publish it, know that every day of your life, when you look in the mirror, your looking at a HYPOCRITICAL COWARD!!

Sincerely,
BenDereDunDat

Anonymous said...

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Originally Posted April 19, 2010

Hey Buck&Tye Ol’ Buddy –

Don’t ever confuse, (as you say), “pent-up hate” with EXTREME PRIDE in finally having a duly-elected Commander-In-Chief who is actually making SOLID PROGRESS in fixing all of the screwed-up messes brought to our Beloved Nation by the abject FAILURE of the 8 year-long Conservative-uber-alles policies of Constitution-busting Bush/Cheney. If you have failed to observe the dramatic progress Obama has, and continues to make, you must have been buried in your “little hole with your head in the sand”. Wake up and smell the REAL reality – not just the fact-free FANTASYLAND in which you and your ilk choose to dwell!!

Pent up hate? Quite to the contrary there Sunshine – QUITE TO THE CONTRARY!!!

Again you’re confused about who is “waking up”. Don’t look now, but citizens in both the “center” and the “left” have quietly and patiently listened to all the Right-wing Extremist CRAP for as long as we are willing to tolerate it. We are STRONG advocates for FREEDOM OF SPEECH, while simultaneously realizing that when someone yells “FIRE” in a crowded theater, they have gone beyond exercising their Right to Freedom of Speech. All of the (heretofore tolerated) RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS’ RHETORIC has awakened a “SLEEPING GIANT” of patriotic, tax-paying, voting citizens, who LOVE their Beloved Nation way too much to allow such inflammatory Rhetoric to go unchallenged.

You and your Conservative-uber-alles ilk had better get used to being blocked HARD whenever and wherever you try to impose your VIOLENCE-ADVOCATING LUNACY upon us in the future!! You wanna’ play?? TEE UP – GAME ON!!!

When jgalt speaks of “violent revolution”, then attempts to advance the IDIOTIC THEORY that in some undefined manner, our duly-elected Commander-in-Chief is somehow a “TYRANT” and then you immediately RATIFY his RANT and respond with reference to “watering the Tree of Liberty” with the BLOOD OF TYRANTS, (the very same quote printed on the back of the Tee-shirt worn by Timothy McVeigh when he was arrested for slaughtering 168 innocent and defenseless people, including Kindergarten children), it requires absolutely ZERO leap of logic to deduce that YOU ARE OPENLY ADVOCATING THE ASSASSINATION of our duly-elected President!! That, Buck&Tye is a FEDERAL CRIME THAT WARRANTS FEDERAL ATTENTION!!!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and you GOOBERS have used up all of our collective patience. So just keep on spewing your violence-advocating Limbaugh/Beck/Palin/Bachmann LUNACY, but just know that when you do, whenever you leave the solid ground of bona-fide Freedom of Speech and put the smallest tip of your toe across the line of the Federal Criminal Laws as outlined in 18 USC 115, entitled, “TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES”, either I personally, or any given one or more of my countless fed-up fellow Patriots, will be there to keep Homeland Security up to speed on your VIOLENCE-PROMOTING RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS’ RHETORIC. That, my friend, is our PATRIOTIC DUTY to our Beloved Nation!!!

Again – ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and you have used up all of our Patriotic Patience!!

The HATE-MONGERING propaganda being spewed 24/7 by the FOX News Channel may be making certain entertainers a lot of money - but is all that money worth the results that will follow the maniacal acts of a mentally-ill "Timothy McVeigh wanna-be"??? Ask the families of any one of the 168 victims, including Kindergarten children, who died in Oklahoma City as a result of Timothy McVeigh's RAGING HATRED for the government.

If you are guilty of "parroting" any of the hate-filled, anti-government CRAP spewing out of the mouths of Limbaugh, et al., if and when a repeat of Oklahoma City does occur, DON'T DARE PLEAD INNOCENCE OF COMPLICITY IN THE CRIME!!!

4Yahshua said...

Sadly, the dire warnings in this cartoon have come true during these last 30 years of this Bush Sr. White House ~ and most don't even know it! B.O. (born in Kenya, Africa) has been put in to do the final dirty work! There are
9/11's, vile wars, poisoned air (H.A.A.R.P.), water (fluoride), food (MSG and GMO grown produce), drugs that kill, and even light bulbs (CFL's loaded with mercury)! Finally, there will be FEMA Death Camps (already waiting!) However, true faith will still preserve us! Believe on YAHSHUA the Son of YAHWEH and you, too, will survive forever! Shalom in Them!

4Yahshua said...

Sadly, the dire warnings in this cartoon have come true during these last 30 years of this Bush Sr. White House ~ and most don't even know it! B.O. (born in Kenya, Africa) has been put in to do the final dirty work! There are
9/11's, vile wars, poisoned air (H.A.A.R.P.), water (fluoride), food (MSG and GMO grown produce), drugs that kill, and even light bulbs (CFL's loaded with mercury)! Finally, there will be FEMA Death Camps (already waiting!) However, true faith will still preserve us! Believe on YAHSHUA the Son of YAHWEH and you, too, will survive forever! Shalom in Them!

motorpoodle said...

Wow, there's some real psychos out there. Obama born in Kenya? FEMA Death Camps? MSG as some sort of government plot?

LOL.

shannon said...

It seems Obama is the ISM salesman. The first freedom he has taken is health care. What is he going to take next?

shannon said...

It seems Obama is the ISM salesman. The first freedom he has taken is health care. What is he going to take next?

LoonsToTheLeftOfMe said...

The prescience of these animators in 1948 is unbelievable. Note that the giant hand of Big Government grabbing and pounding on people toward the end of the cartoon is colored blue - the color of today's Democrat party!

Shelby said...

do you really believe obama took away the freedom of healthcare? what about the parents with children who are disabled and their insurance will only cover a portion adn they (the parents) spend the rest of their lives living pay check to pay check to pay for their child's disability treatment. How cynical are you people? you should be ashmaed of yourselves! What happened to helping you fellow man? Apparently now that you have Money and status you don't care.

Concerning immigration: Unless you are Native American you were once an immigrant..it may have been some time ago but it is not your place as a American who comes from a family of Immigrants to America to deny people the right to move here. I believe in reform because they need the right and the chance to become citizens. just they way you and your family were given that same right!

aWriter said...

Obama's not the problem. Racism's not the problem, nor is immigration, abortion, or any of the other tangential issues many of the bloggers have discussed here. The key issue, the single problem, the one question is this: Your freedom or your life.

Unknown said...

YOU WANT TO GET MAD? We had eight years of Bush and Cheney, but now you get mad! You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy. You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got ousted. You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.. You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us. You didn’t get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war. You didn’t get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq. You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people. You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans. You didn’t get mad when we didn’t catch Bin Laden. You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. You didn’t get mad when we let a major US city drown. You didn’t get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich. You didn’t get mad when, using reconciliation; a trillion dollars of our tax dollars were redirected to insurance companies for Medicare Advantage which cost over 20 percent more for basically the same services that Medicare provides. You didn’t get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark, and our debt hit the thirteen trillion dollar mark. You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans… oh hell no. AND NOW YOU’RE MAD !

Anonymous said...

Hindsight is 20/20.
There are enough political cartoons in the archives, one of them is bound to touch upon today's emotional situation.

When are WE THE PEOPLE going to admit that we are being led around by the power of the Media.

Whomever controls the Media, controls the Democracy.
Switch from channel to channel of your local TV stations and discover the news releases are identical, then read a newspaper and discover the text is identical to the broadcasts.

Fidel Castro of Cuba and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela control the Media, as does most Oligarchy Governments.

Don't voice your opinions driven by emotions. Research what you hear, before speaking. Without verification, repeated stories or opinions, are only Rumors.

We need to get back to a Republic, (a government controlled by laws) and let our Democracy vote on EACH law. Not 'a package' of laws, promoted by lobbyists and TV commercials (Media).

Let's start by reducing the size of our Government Body to something that is mangeable "BY THE PEOPLE and devoted to work FOR THE PEOPLE.

Vote for Less Government, each Election.

jackp said...

The more current version the cartoon should be the politician and corporation fella in bed together creating that big blue hand coming out of the sky. Joe public is still under the newspaper asleep and labour is being sent off to a foreign country because of cheaper labor. You people really think this is a democracy?? The one thing that is killing this once was a great country is lobbying. Corporations own politicians and they own just about everything now because mr Joe Public was asleep. With a few exceptions, you don't have a clue what is happening. I suggest live in another country. I do, and the democracy is stronger here than in the states. Bush was a chicken hawk and a cold blooded killer. Get real you yanks! Start asking questions.

docboyer said...

Americans have become very gullible
Obama was elected by those people and the labor unions and ACORN. It has taken about a year for us to see what he meant by "transforming"
America----a steep and slippery slope to socialism. He has had a lot of help from Congress which is controlled by democrat idiots. aawe now have a national debt that will be impossible to repay.

miriam dos cantos said...

The people watching commenting on this cartoon are unbelievably uneducated and unaware. You think Monsanto is better than a collective farm? Really? When they are splicing pesticides right into the genes of crops? Now you CAN'T wash them out. And when you get cancer it'll be "tragic" but no one will point a finger at Monsanto. ALL systems have inherent dangers. The real problem here is people INEXPLICABLY equate capitalism with freedom. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. One is an economic system while the other is guaranteed--or forbidden--by a political system. Trade unions ARE SOCIALIST--HEL-LO-OH. There is NOTHING to stop a dictator from running his country's economy on a capitalist system--as any number of them have done since the first dictatorship. Anything that changes the free-market price of something (the price here is a worker's wage) for the "good" of a large group is SOCIALIST. You like the law that says a woman can't be fired because she is pregnant? IT'S SOCIALIST. A true capitalist would have the right to fire her and hire someone else--or hire ONLY men. After all, he OWNS the company, right? You like the law that says you can't be fired if you break your arm and can't go to work for a few weeks? IT'S SOCIALIST. Please, read some history. Go back to school. Open a few books. As a population, Americans read less than any first world country. It's no wonder we elected an idiot like Bush TWICE.

Anonymous said...

Who, Today would do such a thing..? Who, today wuld allow that to happen or situate the country in such a way that it would ever be possible for this to happen to us..Who?

OBAMA.. maybe? placing all the pieces in the right places and removing certine pieces to make it easier to accomplish.

This is just as real then as it is NOW!

Anonymous said...

Who, Today would do such a thing..? Who, today wuld allow that to happen or situate the country in such a way that it would ever be possible for this to happen to us..Who?

OBAMA.. maybe? placing all the pieces in the right places and removing certine pieces to make it easier to accomplish.

This is just as real then as it is NOW!

docboyer said...

Do any of you know a liberal who can think logically---I have NOT met one yet and I'm 80 years old. I'm reading a book "The Liberal Mind" by Lyle H. Rossifer,Jr,M.D. He is a forensic psychiatrist. He
explains the psychological causes of political madness. I believe he proves my point.
Obama had a very tragic childhood.
His father abandoned him and his mother when he was a baby and never saw him again once until he was six years old. His mother then married a Muslim from Indonesia. Obama was enrolled in a Muslim school. Her second marriage failed
and his mother abandoned him. He was reared by her parents who were
communists. As an adult Obama sought out Marxists and Muslims. And since taking office as President he has surrounded himself with Marxists, self avowed communists,tax cheaters etc. Valerie Jarrett thinks Mao is a great man. Does she remember that Mao had 65,000,000 Chinese citizens killed.I was stunned when I saw a Whitehouse "holiday tree"
with a large ornament with Mao's face on it. Obama promised a transparent administration. The only aspect of transparency is that he wants to destroy America.
If Obama and the liberal democrats are re-elected in 2010 and 2012 you can kiss America goodbye. We will need to hang a large sign from an arm of the statue of Liberty that says "Welcome to the Socialized States of Meximerica.

Victor it is time to stop blaming Bush for the recession. Most of the world is financially in trouble. Bush had a democratic Congress his last two years and they added $1.5trillion to our debt. Greece is bankrupt and Spain
and Portugal are in trouble. Spain went"green" in the 1990's---for each job that was created 2.3 jobs were lost. Spain's unemployment rate is 17.5%---Thats what ours is when you include people who have been jobless (8,000,000) for a year or more. I guess this proves that figures don't lie but all liars figure!!
Americans you MUST WAKE UP---America as we knew it is on life support.Start raising hell with your Representatives and Senators.
It's time to open the window and shout "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any longer!!!"

Unknown said...

What's scary is all the nut-cases on here!

Chaplain Preacherman said...

Ronald Regan killed a union out on strike; George W. Bush went to war based on lies. You weren't afraid then and are afraid now; WAKE UP and SMELL the BLOOMING ROSES! Retired Military guy who is free and will remain free.

docboyer said...

This is to Chaplain Preacherman: If you will delve into your obviously liberal memory you will find that Bill and Hillary Clinton thought and made public statements that Hussien had weapons of mass destruction. And he did. Do you remember he killed 400,000 Kurds with a poisonous gas. You are a typical liberal---your memory is very selective.Please read Lyle H. Rossifer, Jr.,M.D.'s new book "The
Liberal Mind". it describes you well.

USDesigner said...

It a very simple explanation of our economic system. I like it in principle but it wasn't all that great back in 1948. I really think its for the most part better now. I certainly know there would be no chance for me (a female) to make a decent wage or even be in the auto industry 60 years ago.
Most black in the south couldn't vote. There was no government requirement to pay equal wages for equal work. Very little pollution controls (we were ignorant about the health costs of pollution). Most rape and sex abuse went unreported. No birth control. I could go on. It was the good old days if you were a straight white male.

Kim

USDesigner said...

It a very simple explanation of our economic system. I like it in principle but it wasn't all that great back in 1948. I really think its for the most part better now. I certainly know there would be no chance for me (a female) to make a decent wage or even be in the auto industry 60 years ago.
Most black in the south couldn't vote. There was no government requirement to pay equal wages for equal work. Very little pollution controls (we were ignorant about the health costs of pollution). Most rape and sex abuse went unreported. No birth control. I could go on. It was the good old days if you were a straight white male.

Unknown said...

We shouldn't blame the past, but worry about what will happen in the future!

docboyer said...

To Melvin: You MUST remember the past, if you don't you will make the same stupid mistake you made before. History really does repeat itself. Read about Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and FDR and you will see what I mean. Obama makes those liberals look like beginners.

motorpoodle said...

@docboyer - If you delve into your obviously conservative memory you will find that when the Clintons said Hussien had WMDs he actually did. Later he was supposed to have gotten rid of them and there were inspectors there to make sure that he did.

But Bush lied and said he had proof that he had WMDs when he didn't. Oops, only cost thousands upon thousands of lives and a trillion dollars.

Conservatives don't like facts and rely mostly on fear to advance their agenda. Please read "Why Conservatives are Such Psychotic Fearful Douchebags" by Haywood Jablowme. It describes you perfectly.

Otherwise you can just check out the research here.

motorpoodle said...

Also @docboyer - You said "Americans you MUST WAKE UP---America as we knew it is on life support.Start raising hell with your Representatives and Senators.
It's time to open the window and shout "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any longer!!!"


I'd love to have a rational logical discussion about this but you have to just go with the FEAR FEAR FEAR crap. Then again I've never met a conservative that can think logically.

If you have some specific examples of why you think America is on life support please present them. Otherwise all you have is vague rambling fear mongering.

mrdunn said...
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mrdunn said...

WOW! When will the American people learn that getting something for nothing never works? 1948 cartoon clearly shows the debate then and should be the debate now.
The slick talking man who wants us to sign away our rights in hopes someone besides ourselves can make decisions for us, pay for us and our existence. I believe that's called LAZINESS.That man could be almost everyone in Congress today, congressmen and women who think they know better than the American people - which is why they don't listen to us anymore. That's called ARROGANCE!
WAKE UP AMERICA! It's not 1948, it's 2010 and that slick salesman is back in town!

motorpoodle said...

@mrdunn - You said "WOW! When will the American people learn that getting something for nothing never works?"

We're not trying to get something for nothing.

"The slick talking man who wants us to sign away our rights in hopes someone besides ourselves can make decisions for us, pay for us and our existence."

What rights are we signing away? I know Americans signed a lot of rights away under Bush with the Patriot Act and such. Then there's also the recent Arizona immigration law where they took away everyone's right to leave the house without their "papers". That goes against the 4th Amendment.

Are one of those what you're talking about?

"That man could be almost everyone in Congress today, congressmen and women who think they know better than the American people - which is why they don't listen to us anymore."

My reps have been listening pretty well. They got us some major improvements to the healthcare system and are currently working on financial reform to end the "too big to fail" problem just like I wanted them to.

I'm not sure what type of issues you're having with your reps. I know conservatives tend to just work in vague fear-based generalities but it's easier to discuss things rationally when you get specific.

abdulsalam said...

thanks for this ! university

Unknown said...

Reading some of the comments about this video leaves me wondering about some people. Firstly the majority of the Founding Fathers were Christian, the primary source for the Constitution and the Declaration was the Bible.

Secondly, this video was made before McCarthy came on the scene as an influential individual. 1948, McCarthyism didn't start until 1950 two years later.

Finally this video is a warning against being taken in by sweet talk without first looking at what the consequences could be.

Meteorlady said...

Know this is way later than 2009 but hey, this is what children and Americans need to see. I read through some of the comments. Usual "Blame Bush" and "Obama the Great", but for the most part they are well thought out. Freedom isn't free, we need to get out and talk to our congressional leaders, write letters and make phone calls. If we don't we will wake up to vote in November and find that the damage has already been done.

Both parties are the same - owned by the elites of the world so whenever possible find good people from the independent ranks or other parties to vote for.

Meteorlady said...

Jomama - you expound about how I and others in this country "owe" you health care. Not sure about you, but I have my suspicions, but most all of us worked for our health care. The government already has public options - Medicare and Medicaid are a couple. They are poorly run, riddled with fraud and most of the escalating healthcare expenses are because of these programs. The other, more telling problem with health care is the illegals getting their free medical in our hospital emergency rooms. The government is NEVER the answer, free enterprise without government intervention is what works and is what made this country great for a very long time.

joegocal said...

are you kidding me? this sounds like it was written by Glenn Beck. its just a bunch of misinformed extreme right-wing propaganda!

docboyer said...

To joegocal: You'd best get your head out of the sand or the other dark place you have it very soon. If you don't you will finally wake up in The Socialized States of Meximerica. It was people like you that elected the Messiah.

Unknown said...

What freedoms were missing in 1948?

We were not allowed to marry people of color.

If you were gay or lesbian, you were possibly subject to electroshock therapy. And never allowed to marry...

Mexicans (and dogs) were not allowed in certain bars or other areas in Texas.

Jewish folks were not allowed in certain country clubs.

Minorities were not given equal opportunities, including equal access to good schools.

The opportunity for a minority person (Catholic, Jewish) or of color to run for President was inconceivable.

Thanks that America is a much better place now...

Who knows? Sometime soon you won't have to go bankrupt or die from lack of access to good health care.

Yes, I believe America is much better.

docboyer said...

To Caesar; I AGREE that many citizens were oppressed in the 1940's. I'm a caucasian coservative but
as a student at I.U. in 1948 and later I was a member of NAACP and took part in sit-ins in resturants in Bloomington. I don't judge people by the color of their skin, religious or sexual preferences. I judge people by their character. I have friends who are "colored" .Three of them are among the smartest people I know. I have many friends who are gay. I
do not abide liars, cheaters, or people who are stupid---you don't have to be dumb to be stupid. As Ron White (Tater Salad) says there is no cure for stupidity. Some of the smartest people I know are the most stupid. Now, if you believe everthing Obama says and you don't think he has our country headed for Socialism and bankruptcy then I
would consider you either very NAIVE or STUPID. He is on the way to tripling our debt---our children and grand children will be paupers. And he is still talking
about Cap and Trade in spite of "Global warming" being proven a HOAX. Also he wants to have a VAT tax enacted---I have friends in England and they HATE the VAT tax.
With a VAT tax you are actually paying a tax on a tax on each step of production of a product.
Three books I suggest you should read are: "Common Sense","Culture of Corruption", and "Aftershock".
The last is very important if you want to financialy survive what our country is going to exsperience
in the near future. Obama has used
Keyneasian economics to end the recession---this has NEVER worked. Japan tried it in the 1990's and it FAILED.
In closing: The present administration is the most crooked
this country has ever endured.

Unknown said...

I love the animation and illustration of this cartoon...This cartoon represents the way that things were in 1948..They should make a cartoon representing the way America is today:)

BenDereDunDat said...

docboyer Ol' Buddy, Ol' Pal:

You spend 90% of your epistle pontificating what an "open-minded person" you are, who even has friends who are "colored people", (Gasp!, Gasp!) Then you finish your epistle by making the TOTALLY OFF-THE-WALL, FACT-FREE AND FOUNDATIONLESS statement:
"In closing: The present administration is the most crooked this country has ever endured."

One simple question:
In what orifice of your body was your head stuck during the ABJECT FAILURE of the recent 8 year-long CROOKED, CORRUPT, DISHONEST, FRAUDULENT and CONSTITUTION-BUSTING Conservative experiment a/k/a the Bush/Cheney Administration??

You appear to be an avid proponent of the perverse beliefs of Joseph Goebbels, (Hitler's Propaganda Minister), who observed:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

You need to go over to the corner, shut your eyes and chant your Limbaugh Mantra:
Obama is a failure, Obama is a failure, Oooooooohhhhhmmmmm.

Then open your eyes, GROW A PAIR and acknowledge (like any intelligent "open-minded" REAL MAN) that, considering that Obama inherited the ABSOLUTE WORST economic mess to be PUSHED DOWN THE THROAT OF OUR BELOVED NATION in 80 years, (by CONSERVATIVE CROOKS, no less), Obama ain't doin' so bad at straightening out the Bush/Cheney mess afterall - IS HE?????

It's time to TURN OFF THE FOX NOISE CHANNEL, pull your head out of your behind, start looking at the REAL reality that's going on, and quit getting your "DAILY MARCHING ORDERS" from Australian meglamaniac, Rupert Murdoch, and his ilk, (including, but not limited to those well-known, money-grubbing treasonous "talking heads" who are more interested in their PERSONAL economic health and well-being than they are in that of our BELOVED NATION).

Quit your counter-productive pissin' & moanin' from the sidelines, and either LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!!!

docboyer said...

To been there done that;
If you and YOUR ILK don't wake up soon you WILL wake up in the Socilist States of Meximerica. You are watching the news on ABC, CBS, or NBC and getting the news with the liberal spin on it. In the typical socialist state there are three classes of people who enjoy a good life. Eirst are the politicians in office. Second are the best athletes. Third are the best Artists e.g. ballet dancers,
actors, and musicians. Everybody else are peons. If you think otherwise you have the typical liberal memory. Please read "The Liberal Mind by Dr. Rossifer. that is if you can read words longer than 4 or 5 letters.

BenDereDunDat said...

docboyer, O'l Buddy -

Hey there sunshine!! You Right-wing Extremists (who pass yourselves off as self-respecting and bonafide Conservatives) certainly are an entertaining bunch of Whackos!!!

I took a look at the Amazon.com Reviews on the book you recommend reading, by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr., M.D. (BTW: not Rossifer, as you've misspelled it in a couple of your posts), entitled "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness".

The title, in and of itself, is MORE THAN SELF-REVEALING of Rossiter's Conservative uber-alles intentions and the Right-wing Whacko audience to whom he panders.

Please allow me to share a few of the Amazon.com review quotes with you:

#1. "How someone can have so much hatred towards others is beyond me. This book is trash, don't waste your money on this quack!
horribly written!"

#2. "I'd like to see Dr. Rossiter and anyone praising him read Bob Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" which is free online. That should tell you the extent to which conservatives can be just as mad as Liberals. WE NEED TO STOP JUDGING OTHERS AND DEAL WITH OUR OWN NEUROSIS!"

#3. "The writing is so bad that I returned the book. I am amazed that someone agreed to publish it."

#4. "It is pure politics, filled with gross generalizations and empirically unsupported broad assertions. No reputable psychiatrist would consider this trash to be scientific in the least."

#5. "How dare he "diagnose" millions of people as psychologically imbalanced. It reflects badly on his own character."

#6. "It just scares me to think that this guy might be practicing medicine somewhere. Hopefully this book is selling like hotcakes and he doesn't have to practice."

#7. "This is more about pandering to hard-right Republicans than it is about any kind of political insight - An embarrassing hatchet job and hideously biased."

#8. "This book is just silly and every argument he makes can easily be attributed to every Fictional Conservative I've ever met From his Nanny State BS (What do you call spending half our budget on our Military Nanny?) to his playing the victim (Gee it's not our fault no WMDs were found, Not our fault planeloads of cash are unaccounted for, not our fault 300,000 weapons are missing in Iraq). Well you get the point, save your money and if you want to hear poorly argued Pop Psychology with a Rightwingnut twist just turn on your AM radio . . ."

#9. "The focus on this "scientific analysis" is particularly amusing, coming from the group that believes people and dinosaurs roamed the earth together, that there's no human causes for Global Warming, that science is mostly from pointy-headed geeks, and can be disregarded if its conclusions are "inconvenient."

#10. "The good doctor forgot that human beings do not come with a spec. With a big enough sample, people's behavior and their viewpoints follow a bell curve. "Normal behavior" is by definition the middle part of the curve. If those on the far left are considered as psychologically ill because they are far from the norm, then those from the far right should be equally considered. Since the good doctor has taken on the position of people on the extreme right like Ann Coulter and Michael Savage, his own psychological well being is suspect. So I think he should first cure himself before "casting the first stone."

Sorry there Sunshine. I don't think I'll be following up upon your suggested reading.

Thanks, but no thanks!!

xoxoxo,
BenDereDunDat

P.S. Let's restore INTELLIGENCE and SANITY to the Whitehouse!!!

PALIN / BECK in 2012!!!

docboyer said...

To BeenThereDoneThat: I am not a good typist. I am an 80 year old conservative and I give up on trying to educate a liberal. It is much like trying to five gait a mule. Now that has been done but it took 3 years to accomplish. You probably don't believe that either but it was done by a black horse trainer.
But I'd bet you still believe in Global warming and Obama's saying that a Cap and Trade bill should be enacted. Global warming has been proven to be a HOAX. Do you still believe in the tooth fairy?
I have much better things to do than argue with you so I think this may very well be my last post.
Goodbye---have fun in the Socialist
States of Meximerica.

skeeb said...

Not mentioned is what George Washington warned us about, getting too cozy with a foreign country! Or Eisenhour warned us about a military industrial complex. We are run today by the Armchair Warriors who gleefully spend the future for our young and send what's left of them off to fight and die in foreign wars for greed!

BuckandTye said...

BenDereDunDat

You low life!!!! Quit harassing the people in this country who are "right".

Anonymous said...

Goverment run health care will only mess up this country and put it deeper into debt. People in Canada are constantly dieing because they are being denied health care. It is unconstitutional and I hope the supreme court agrees with me. Also, the only way we will get out of this recession is by lowering taxes. Although we won't see that from President Obama. I can only hope a good conservative Republican is elected next.

BenDereDunDat said...

Dear Buck&Tye, Ol' Buddy -

It's a knee-slappin' HOOT that you "Righties" think it's "Freedom of Speech" when you try to impose your treasonous beliefs upon anyone (at any time and at any place), but deem it to be "harrassment" when a TRUE PATRIOT pushes back.

You had better get used to being pushed back there Sunshine!!!

There's plenty of us TRUE PATRIOTS who are cheering our duly-elected Commander-In-Chief in his efforts to cleanse our Beloved Nation of the CROOKEDNESS CORRUPTION AND FRAUD emanating from the 8 year-long "RAPE" committed by the Bush/Cheney Reign (of terror).

We TRUE PATRIOTS intend to keep pushing back the DISTORTIONS OF THE TRUTH, HALF-TRUTHS and OUTRIGHT, INTENTIONAL LIES oozing out of your perverted, reptilian brains as long as you keep spewing your treasonous LIES at us.

Albert Einstein once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". It boggles a sane person's mind that just because you Conservative-uber-alles Wingnuts lost the Whitehouse after 8 long years of insane, Conservative economic policies that resulted in our Beloved Nation's worst financial meltdown in 80 years, that you want to put another Conservative Goober back into the Whitehouse and expect different results from those disasterous results brought to us by the Bush/Cheney Gang of Thugs and Thieves.

It is mind-boggling that you "Righties" rant about what a "tyrant" our duly-elected Commander-In-Chief is and then follow up with your rants about "watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants" (the identical rant that was printed on the back of the tee-shirt worn by Timothy McVeigh, the most heinous, insane, baby-killing COWARD, when he was arrested).

It doesn't take a "leap of logic" to consider your "false bravado" rants to be outside the boundaries of Federal Criminal Code 18 USC 115, entitled "TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES".

You Right-wing Extremists keep on making lots and lots of noise and keep spewing your threatening rants - it will make it a whole lot easier to identify you and round you up if/when your intended "Revolution" begins!!!

You wanna Play?? TEE UP!! GAME ON!!

xoxoxo
BenDereDunDat

docboyer said...

Cory: you are so right about Obamacare. It will probably cost $1trillion per year. Obama plans to cut payments to hospital for treatin of Medicare and Medicaid patients. At present Medicare pays 65% and Meducaid pays 36% of the actual cost of treatment. Obamacare will decrease those payments and MANY small county hospitals will close to avoid bankruptcy. I've been on the Board of Trustees of our local county hospital, so I know what I'm writing about. Obamacare will also cut payments to doctors----about 25% of doctors will "retire". Protocols for treating diseases will be written by bureauocrats who know nothing or very little about Medicine or diseases. "Cookbook" medicine is bad medicine. We are not all the same in spite of age, weight,etc.
How one patient is successfully treated, the same treatment may kill another. There will be a shortage of doctors, thus there will be waiting, and waiting, and waiting. In Canada many patients who need surgery die before they can get it. That's why the ones who can afford it come here for surgery. Go to www.youtube.com and
type in "a short course in brain surgery". It is a true story of a Canadian businessman who had a brain tumor.
Obamacare for very sick old people should be called "die early and save the government money". Young who can be treated cheaper and then work to pay taxes will get preference.
In England women who have breast cancer may have surgery but NO chemotherapy----because it costs too much. and it is about the same for men with prostrate cancer.
Obama has LIED about the cost of Obamacare---he gave the CBO just enough information to make it sound "affordable". He says that our illegals will not be eligible.
That may be true until he can get
Congress to enact Amnesty and instant citizenship, like he wants.
If we are lucky Conservaties will regain control of Congress in Nov.
2010 and then repeal Obamacare.
Obama also LIED about the poor people not getting medical care.
There is a law that forces non-profit hospitals to treat all patients who cannot pay. Our local
hospital of 40 beds "writes off" over $1,000,000 every month. To stay open private payers and insurance payers are charged more than the actual cost of treatment.
Mayo Clinic hospital in Phoenix AZ.
will not treat Medicare or Medicaid
patients!!
Obamacare will turn Medicine into a cesspool and unless repealed it will
bankrupt America. But I believe it is already bankrupt---we just have
not admitted it yet
By the way, don't tell "BEEN DERE DUN DAT" that I posted this. He must be a liberal Obama lover who wants to live in a Socialist country.

Anonymous said...

This Cartoon is so true today. And it WILL HAPPEN! IF WE DON'T STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION.

docboyer said...

To Teresa: I love your comment.Obama says he taught Constitutional Law---actually he was hired as a lecturer and the Professors there did not like nor respect him. He has stated that our Constitution is flawed because it does not address "Social Justice". He certainly has trampled it at every opportunity. I hope and pray that he will be
trampled by the voters in 2012.

joegocal said...

@ docboyer:

My head, so far as I can not discern is not in the sand. You are simply a fool who apparently has no idea what you are talking about.

Even in America, with your recent legislation on social policies you are still arguably the least socialist country on the planet.

Moreover, socialism is not a bad thing, which is the reason your entire country adopted social policy in the early half of the 1900s because your unmoderated capitalism had single-handedly put the world into the greatest recession the world has ever seen. I can not understand how it is that you think that not letting people starve to death or go bankrupt for being sick is a bad thing.

On top of all that, NOTHING in this video is a feature of socialism, which is what you are "descending into" (60 years behind the rest of the developed world) it is all a feature of totalitarianism. Which COULD be Fascism or Communism. You are right though that totalitarianism sucks because it does, thats how things like the Holocaust and the Holodomor happen.

Seriously though all you have to do is look up what words mean before you hate on them and you avoid looking like an uninformed moron in front of the entire world.

BuckandTye said...

jomama wrote gibberish to docboyer: "If you have some specific examples of why you think America is on life support please present them. Otherwise all you have is vague rambling fear mongering."

jomama you, and people like you will never be able to relate, comprehend, understand any "specific examples" given to you because you are a liberal. Even if we drew you pictures!!! Specific examples of why we all think America is on life support are only something that Traditional Americans will ever know. You are not a Traditional American. And hell is being raised with the politicians who created this problem. The "Tea-Party" people the alphabets try to portray as a "militia" are just the swell before the waves come in. And there is nothing bad about a militia due to the fact that they are the ones who freed this country.

docboyer said...

To:jomama: If you don't think America is in real financial trouble, go to http://www.usdebtclock.org/
This will show you our national debt and our unfunded liabilities.
If the figures don't blow you mind I don't know what will. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have their eyes on your IRA and $401K---they want to convert them into annuities. Your money will be invested in U.S.
Treasyry bonds. It seems that China haqs lost interest in buying them.

Shelby said...

didn't G.W. Bush increase our spending not the terrible liberals in office now??

BenDereDunDat said...

Shelby -

Please don't confuse "mind-made-up/don't confuse me with facts" styled Conservative-uber-alles WHACKOS like docboyer & Buck&Tye.

When joemama asks for specifics, all they can come up with is Limbaugh-styled vageries with absolutely no substance whatsoever. They've taken their fatal dose of Kool-Aid driveling from the drug-addled rants of Limbaugh and there is no hope for their ilk other than making certain Homeland Security keeps an eye on these militia-promoting tyrants.

Actually, it's a good thing that Fringies like them are making sufficient noise to allow easy tracking. If/when their hoped-for "Second Revolution" does begin, there should be adequate background information for Homeland Security to snatch them out of our midst. If/when the time comes, I'm sure there will be plenty of room for them in the FEMA Death Camps that Beck, et al. keep ranting about.

Just learn to enjoy them for their entertainment value. I know that me and my Buddies certainly do!!!

BenDereDunDat

docboyer said...

Yes our national debt did increase when Bush II was Presidnet---much of it due to the war in Iraq. Now I want to remind you that both Clintons made public statements about WMD's. They both thought Iraq had them. And he did--- Hussein killed 400,000 Kurds with a nerve gas.
Now I want you to remember that Bush's last 2 years was with a democrat controlled Congress and they added 1.5 trillion to the debt
on top of what Bush II had added.
Presidents can not apropriate money
Congress does that.
Do I think Bush II was a great President? In a word, no. But you could believe more of what he said than what Obama says. Now this will surprise you---Since Lincoln we've had two GREAT Presidents.
#1---HST--had guts enough to use the atom bomb to end the war with Japan---this saved thousands of our GI's lives. #2 Reagan---He started many years of prosperity and ended the cold war with Russia.
You can check out the debt issue on www.bing.com

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere Dun Dat: I'm having a friend of mine who is a psychiatrist read you comments and
try to form profile of you. When I get it I will direcdt it to you and you can see how accurate it is. I know I'll be interested.

motorpoodle said...

@docboyer - You said "Yes our national debt did increase when Bush II was Presidnet---much of it due to the war in Iraq."[/quote]

If you'd like to be honest Bush massively increased the debt faster than any president in history due to tax cuts for the rich that he did not pay for, Medicare Part D, TARP, and the farce of a war in Iraq.

Cheney famously said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" referring to Reagan's (at the time) record setting deficits.

"Now I want to remind you that both Clintons made public statements about WMD's. They both thought Iraq had them. And he did"

I'll remind you that the Clintons were right that Iraq had them at the time. That is why there were inspectors there to make sure they were gotten rid of.

Bush started a war that might end up costing over a trillion and has killed 100's of thousands of people with no evidence of any threat to the US. Remember that?

"Now I want you to remember that Bush's last 2 years was with a democrat controlled Congress and they added 1.5 trillion to the debt
on top of what Bush II had added.
Presidents can not apropriate money
Congress does that."


I can understand the desire to ignore the first 6 years and only focus on the last 2 and then try and make it out that Bush had no control in those two years but It's intellectually dishonest.

"Do I think Bush II was a great President? In a word, no."

Yes. Certainly ranked as one of the worst presidents ever and holds a record low approval rating.

"But you could believe more of what he said than what Obama says."

Hell no, Bush was a legendary liar. Most of his administration was famously corrupt.

The Obama administration has been incredibly more honest.

"#1---HST--had guts enough to use the atom bomb to end the war with Japan---this saved thousands of our GI's lives."

I don't know about that. He killed massive amounts of innocent men, women, and children. I don't know if it was the right move at the time but I sure wouldn't celebrate that kind of slaughter of innocents.


"#2 Reagan---He started many years of prosperity"

That's a joke right? Reagan was an awful president. He pretty much got the Taliban going strong, Massive,etc.

motorpoodle said...

@docboyer - You said "Yes our national debt did increase when Bush II was Presidnet---much of it due to the war in Iraq."[/quote]

If you'd like to be honest Bush massively increased the debt faster than any president in history due to tax cuts for the rich that he did not pay for, Medicare Part D, TARP, and the farce of a war in Iraq.

Cheney famously said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" referring to Reagan's (at the time) record setting deficits.

"Now I want to remind you that both Clintons made public statements about WMD's. They both thought Iraq had them. And he did"

I'll remind you that the Clintons were right that Iraq had them at the time. That is why there were inspectors there to make sure they were gotten rid of.

Bush started a war that might end up costing over a trillion and has killed 100's of thousands of people with no evidence of any threat to the US. Remember that?

"Now I want you to remember that Bush's last 2 years was with a democrat controlled Congress and they added 1.5 trillion to the debt
on top of what Bush II had added.
Presidents can not apropriate money
Congress does that."


I can understand the desire to ignore the first 6 years and only focus on the last 2 and then try and make it out that Bush had no control in those two years but It's intellectually dishonest.

"Do I think Bush II was a great President? In a word, no."

Yes. Certainly ranked as one of the worst presidents ever and holds a record low approval rating.

"But you could believe more of what he said than what Obama says."

Hell no, Bush was a legendary liar. Most of his administration was famously corrupt.

The Obama administration has been incredibly more honest.

"#1---HST--had guts enough to use the atom bomb to end the war with Japan---this saved thousands of our GI's lives."

I don't know about that. He killed massive amounts of innocent men, women, and children. I don't know if it was the right move at the time but I sure wouldn't celebrate that kind of slaughter of innocents.


"#2 Reagan---He started many years of prosperity"

That's a joke right? Reagan was an awful president. He pretty much got the Taliban going strong, Massive,etc.

motorpoodle said...

@docboyer - you wrote "To:jomama: If you don't think America is in real financial trouble, go to http://www.usdebtclock.org/
This will show you our national debt and our unfunded liabilities.
If the figures don't blow you mind I don't know what will."


Oh, I know we're in financial trouble. Bush really ran us into that recession. The economy is coming back lately though and that's good.

I do agree that we need some real financial reforms and regulation so this doesn't happen again. The wall street people have been too absurd.

"Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have their eyes on your IRA and $401K---they want to convert them into annuities. Your money will be invested in U.S.
Treasyry bonds."


I'm going to need a citation on this one. I know conservatives make up outlandish fear based crap a lot of times so usually if you can site some evidence to back up crazy claims it will go better.

motorpoodle said...

@Buck&Tye - you wrote "jomama you, and people like you will never be able to relate, comprehend, understand any "specific examples" given to you because you are a liberal."

It's a shame that you have an aversion to actually talking about anything specific. That's usually how people discuss complicated subjects.

I can be over here willing to listen to your facts and discuss them but you bring nothing.

Looks like at this point your whole argument is "your liberal" which says nothing. I'd love to discuss current events with conservatives but they often do what you're doing and avoid any fact based rational conversation.

Just try it. Tell me specifically what you don't like about our president or anything else.

Unknown said...

The commentators need a history lesson, although obviously they prefer the lie that pleases them to the fact that disturbs them. Reagan a great president? Under Reagan the size of government grew, as did the budget--but this was not objectionable to the elite establishment. Reagan should have been impeached for his treasonous dealings with Iran; however, by the time they got around to questioning him, he honestly could not remember. But guys, this is the bozo that kept our people imprisoned in Iran for an extra six months, because of his secret deals . . . and don't forget the cake, the bible, etc.

Unknown said...

You right-wing-nuts sound more and more like Timothy McVeigh, the baby killer.

BenDereDunDat said...

Based upon my personal experiences, Right-wing Extremists tend to have a few common attributes: #1. they tend to surround themselves with ONLY people who share their LUNACY, #2. they watch and listen to ONLY Conservative-uber-alles media that spews the LUNACY they subsequently "parrot" and #3. it is impossible for them to support the LUNACY they "parrot" with anything resembling empirical data and/or hard fact.

Since Right-wing fringies exclusively listen to ONLY Conservative-uber-alles CRAP and refuse to research the inaccuracies of their DISTORTIONS OF THE TRUTH, INTENTIONALLY DECEPTIVE HALF-TRUTHS, and OUTRIGHT, INTENTIONAL LIES which they automatically "parrot", it's no wonder they have a DISTORTED IMAGE OF REALITY.

Right-wingers tend to have the FALSE PERCEPTION that the MAJORITY of the citizens of our Beloved Nation subscribe to their LUNACY.

NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!!

If my observations are thought to be inaccurate, I encourage ALL Right-wingers to perform a quick and revealing experiment. Perform a "minor sampling" of what the MAJORITY of "NORMAL" people believe by utilizing Google Search.

You will discover the following:

#1. It takes Google 0.23 seconds to find 796,000 results for "Limbaugh drugs";

#2. It takes Google 0.18 seconds to find 1,520,000 results for "Beck insane";

#3. It takes Google 0.13 seconds to find 1,790,000 results for "Palin idiot";

#4. It takes Google 0.32 seconds to find 3,910,000 results for "Cheney crook";

and last, but not least,

#5. It takes Google 0.26 seconds to find 20,400,000 results for "Bush stupid".

I heartedly invite all heretofore Righties to stop, take a deep breath, and WAKE UP TO THE "REAL" REALITY!!! The LUNACY you spew is neither believed, nor supported by NORMAL, INTELLIGENT and THOUGHT-FILLED people.

Start spending a little time confirming the veracity (or lack thereof) of all the Right-wing CRAP you're "parroting" before you automatically regurgitate it and prove your IGNORANCE of the FACTS!!!

BenDereDunDat

P.S.

Let's restore INTELLIGENCE / SANITY to the Whitehouse!!!

PALIN / BECK in 2012!!!

Tandava (Carol Henning) said...

Well said, BenDere. This cartoon is one of the many anti-communist red-scare propaganda pieces that spawned what became the era of McCarthyism -- and we all know how well that turned out for America.

(And, Chris, even though McCarthy was not yet on the national scene, the sentiments had been brewing since the end of WWII -- read a history book now and then and you might develop an intelligent political viewpoint.)

The thing that frightens me the most is that those who scream the most about "protecting American freedom" are the very ones who are quick to deprive others of their freedom (look, again, to McCarthyism).

Have we learned nothing in 60 years?

Shelby said...

This cartoon was not far fetched in 1948, it was a way of scaring people out of communism. Showing the ugly side of a great idea.

Also, this conversation is in no way changing views or educational. To learn something you need to see all sides, not just the one you like.

think about it.

docboyer said...

To: Ben Dere Dun That: You and your ilk had better hide next Thanksgiving because some hunter may mistake you for a turkey because you are full of crap! I'm NOT an ultra conservative. I would just like for this Marxist administration to honor our Constitution as they swore to do whem they took office. Our Constitution is probably the greatest document ever written by mankind. I'm very tired of it being trampled.

docboyer said...

Now for the news: Obama has just said that he wants the ECC to take over the internet and "regulate" it. This is an early to destroy our freedom of speech---you can believe that or not. Thomas Jefferson said it best: "When the people fear the government that is tyranny. When the government fears the people that is freedom.

BenDereDunDat said...

docboyer Ol' Buddy -

There you go again with your UNSUBSTANTIATED accusations of our duly-elected Commander-In-Chief's alleged proclivity toward being, (as you assert), a "Constitution-trampling Marxist".

Please "man up and grow a pair"!! Quit bothering intelligent people with your non-sensical GENERALITIES and begin supporting with empirically-observed and recorded acts and/or verified facts supporting your FANATICAL AND OUTRAGEOUS ACCUSATIONS of:

#1. "Constitution-trampling" by President Obama, and

#2 President Obama's acts of "Marxism".

If you were a witness, on stand and under oath, you'd do a stellar job of convincing any jury that joemama's and my allegations that you Right-wing Lunatics are ABSOLUTELY UNABLE to support any SINGLE ONE of your outrageous GENERALITIES with a simple concept called "FACT".

Until you are able to do so, may I observe that from here forward, instead of docboyer, I'll address you as "doc-housefly" - you eat Limbaugh's SH*T and bother INTELLIGENT people with your non-sensical banalities.

xoxoxo
BenDereDunDat

David Henderson said...

Ha ha, you're all going to die and this stuff is actually meaningless bullshit! Ha ha, I'm going to die too and I almost don't give a crap about this fear producing propaganda! (had to say almost, because I wrote this crap)

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere Dun Dat: As far as trampling the constitution: it is unconstituional to force a person to buy something they don't want ton buy. I think I told you about Obama usurping the bankruptcy laws when he forced GM into bankruptcy. If you don't believe, ask any bankruptcy lawyer about the order of who gets paid and in what order.
Open your mind and do some research
before you belittle me.

docboyer said...

Margret Thatcher said it best--"Socialism is fine nuntil you run out of money". Greece has run out of money and there is widespread rioting by the union workers. There is 25% unemployment in Spain. France depends on a very opresswive VAT tax to stay afloat.
Most socialist countries in Europe have serious financial troubles. I have not researched Sweden,Norway, or Finland, but I'd bet they are hurting. Karl Marx refuted his Manifesto before he died.Look it up
if you don't believe me.

Amanda said...

The last few seconds are the real message: working together is how we solve problems, not pitting "us" against "them".

Unknown said...

I am taken aback at what I'm reading here. I just want to mention something that both Democrats and Republicans are starting to believe will happen later this year. First, it is believed that this round of congressional elections will swing congress to a primarily Republican held congress. After this happens it is expected that Obama will issue "Martial Law" into effect which starts the transition of a long list of executive orders. What does Obama need to claim "martial law"? Good Question. He needs two things: 1. the fear that our country is in "eminent danger" from itself, and 2. the support from the Speaker of the House(Pelosi) and the Secretary of Defense(Gates). I emplore you to research these executive orders and see just how scary this commercial really is. Here is a list of some of them for all you lazy people: 1. Executive order #10995 - Federal Government assumes control of all communications at the satalite level (suspension of the 1st ammendment), 2. Executive order #10997 - Federal Government assumes control of all fuels and electric power, 3. Executive order #10999 - Federal Government assumes control of all foods, farms, and farming equipment. (hoarding food forbidden, since food will be regulated), 4. Executive order #10998 - All modes of transportation will be under government control and is subject to government siezure, 5. Executive order #11000 - All civilians can be forced to work for the federal government as determined by U.S. Marshal officers, 6. Executive order #11490 - Establishes presidential control over all citizens, business, churches in time of emergency, 7. Executive order #12912 - Allows cabinet members to be ready to assume responsibility and control over vertually all of the U.S. economy during a state of emergency at the direction of the President, 8. Executive order #13010 - Directs FEMA to take over all private agencies in time of emergencies, 9. Executive order #12656 - Defines "national Emergency" as any event that seriously threatens the safety of the government of the United States of America. This includes the take over of local & state law enforcement, 10. Executive order #11001 - Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions, 11. Executive order #11921 - Allows the government to take over all banking institutions, and many more. The only thing standing between us and dictatorship is "the good character of the president" and "the lack of a crisis severe enough that the public would stand still for it." This commercial almost seems to be reality at this point in our country's life.

docboyer said...

To christopher:
I'm very pleased to see that there is another person who realizes how dangerous Obama really is.

BenDereDunDat said...

Dear Christopher and doc-housefly, Ol' Buddies -

You guys are hilarious!!!

Cut & paste the link below and take a look at:
http://joerobertson.com/liberty/glenn-beck-on-executive-orders-lies-ignorance-or-deception

Obviously, you've overdosed on Benedict Beck's Kool-Aid!!!

A quote from what you'll see in the expose' above is:

"OK, now we get to Glenn Beck’s examples of Emergency Orders and guess what? He goes to 1962. Yes, 1962.

Forget about ALL of these to choose from:

Barack Obama (2009-Present) EO’s 13489 – 13530 (41)
George W. Bush (2001-2009) EO’s 13198-13488 (290)
William J. Clinton (1993-2001) EO’s 12834-13197 (363)
George Bush (1989-1993) EO’s 12668-12833 (165)
Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) EO’s 12287-12667 (380)
Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) EO’s 11967-12286 (319)
Gerald R. Ford (1974-1977) EO’s 11798-11966 (168)
Richard Nixon (1969-1974) EO’s 11452-11797 (345)
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) EO’s 11128-11451 (328)"

The samples of the Emergency Orders Christoper offers within his Post were issued in 1962 (nearly a half century ago) by the late President John F. Kennedy during the height of the Cuban Missle Crisis (a very real Emergency and an obvious threat to the safety of our Beloved Nation) and subsequently REVOKED after the crisis was resolved.

You GOOBERS are merely "parroting" the self-serving and lucrative FEAR-MONGERING that has made Beck, Limbaugh, et al. lots and lots of money because of consumption of their CRAP by GULLIBLE CLOWNS like you - AT THE EXPENSE OF THE WELL-BEING OF OUR BELOVED NATION!!!

I've made MULTIPLE requests for SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of how any of your INFLAMMATORY ANTI-OBAMA RHETORIC is in any way, shape, fashion or form related to REALITY and all I hear in response is fact-free and generic irrelevant gibberish about anything and everything that has absolutely NOT ONE THING to do with our duly-elected Commander-In-Chief.

COME ON GIRLY-MEN - MAN UP AND GROW A PAIR!!! Are you guys too limp-wristed to COPE WITH THE REALITY THAT (in spite of all the distractions of ankle-biters like you guys) PRESIDENT OBAMA IS DOING ONE HECK OF A JOB CLEANING UP THE NIGHTMARES IMPOSED UPON US BY THE 8-YEAR LONG FAILED CONSERVATIVE EXPERIMENT A/K/A "THE BUSH/CHENEY REIGN OF TERROR".

xoxoxox
BenDereDunDat

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere Dun Dat: Put this in your pipe and smoke it. BP oil gave Obama's campaign fund $71,000--the most that they gave any politician. I suppose that had something to do with BP getting the contract for drilling the deep water well that is now leaking 42,000 gallons of crude each day. Since 2003 BP has paid $180,000 for violations of training and safety violations. BP own the rig but hired Diamond Offshore Drilling (DOD) to drill the well. DOD has a horrible safety record. Their fines for 2007,2008, and 2009 total
$6,219,000. You can verify all of this at bing.com.I think Obama made a very poor choice of who to let drill.

docboyer said...

America has more oil undrilled for than all the mid-east countries and Russia combined. Why are we buying oil from Muslim countries that hate us. Near and under a lake in southern Montana there is an estimated 30,000,000,000 barrels of crude. That alone would be enough oil,at the present rate of consumption, to last us 300 years.Why didn't Obama let them drill there?? Forget the CO2 that burning gasoline causes, because global warming is a HOAX and has been debunked. There has been NO WARMING
for the last 15 years and the earth will continue to cool until 2022. It is a 27 year cycle, proven by deep ice cores drilled in Greenland----which was green when the Vikings discovered an settled it for about 500 years---then it got COLD and they left.
You can find all of this on bing.

BenDereDunDat said...

doc-housefly Ol' Buddy -

You must have received your inaccurate information from one of your usual unreliable sources . . .

Diamond Offshore Drilling was not involved with the subject drilling rig and BP did not own the rig.

Take a look at:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-06/bp-halliburton-transocean-told-to-keep-rig-evidence-update1-.html

British Petroleum contracted with Transocean, (who owns the subject drilling rig) and Halliburton Company to drill the subject well.

Halliburton . . . Halliburton . . . now let me think real hard . . . Just where have I heard that name - Oh Yeah, Halliburton's the company that Dick Cheney used to be CEO of, that received Billions of Dollars in NO-BID CONTRACTS in the Iraq War . . . Hmmmmmmmm - I wonder if there's a connection to Cheney's lies about the non-existent WMD's that got us into his LUCRATIVE lie-based war???).

Getting back to the matter at hand, I guess BP's alleged political contributions to Obama must have been a BAD INVESTMENT, since from the "git-go" Obama publically stated that BP is the party that will have to pay for the clean-up. (But then again, you may have missed that minor, little detail since you confine your news input to ONLY the Faux News Channel).

Doc-housefly Ol' Buddy - you got me!!! Your inaccurate observations have me ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that Obama's an anti-capitalist and a bald-faced Marxist (or is it Hitler??) who intends to turn my Beloved Nation into your la-la-land of "the Socialized States of Meximerica"!!! Good Gawd, you Fringies are an entertaining bunch of GOOBERS. Where do you get all of your fantastic (in the literal sense of the word) information????

In the famous words of Sara Palin, et al. . . .

DRILL BABY, DRILL!!!

xoxoxo
BDDD

BenDereDunDat said...

doc-housefly Ol' Buddy -

In case Faux News Channel didn't provide you the same (oft-repeated) coverage I've seen on ALL of the various REAL NEWS CHANNELS, on Sunday, May 2nd, President Obama specifically stated,

"Let me be clear: BP is responsible for this leak. BP will be paying the bill. But as President of the United States, I'm going to spare no effort to respond to this crisis for as long as it continues. And we will spare no resource to clean up whatever damage is caused."

"And while there will be time to fully investigate what happened on that rig and hold responsible parties accountable, our focus now is on a fully coordinated, relentless response effort to stop the leak and prevent more damage to the Gulf."

Man, oh man!! Our horrible President certainly sounds TOTALLY INCOMPETENT in comparison to the absolutely BRILLIANT PERFORMANCE of CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH, who only had several days BEFORE Hurricane Katrina to provide Federal assistance to help "batten the hatches", much less provide TIMELY Federal assistance vital to the subsequent clean-up and recovery.

Do you remember George W. Bush's predictably deceptive and publically promulgated statement to his totally inept FEMA Director, Michael D. Brown???

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

Yeah . . . you were so right Baby Boy Bush.

The sure-fire way to tell when a Conservative President is lying is to see if his lips are moving. Remember Baby Boy Bush's Daddy's infamous, "Read my lips. No new taxes". Yeah, Right Mr. "Truth, Honesty and the American Way"

You Right-wing-Extremist-History-Revisionists certainly are scraping the bottom of the barrel in your efforts to discredit "the calm black man" and he keeps exposing your IDIOTIC statements as the FRANTIC LIES that they are - time after time after time again!!!

BTW: Stay tuned for late-breaking news regarding Conservative-uber-alles Dick Cheney's complicity in the Gulf oil spill - and when it comes out, as you say, "put that in your pipe and smoke it".

xoxoxox
BDDD

docboyer said...

To:Ben Dere Dun Dat. As I expected your liberal brain missed the main point of my message. If Obama had said "drill on land" we would not have the mess we have now. I got much of my information from bing.com which I would trust much more than the url you cited. And I think the coice of BP was a bad choice because of it's safety record.

BenDereDunDat said...

Doc-housefly -

I'm not surprised - like most Conservative-uber-alles Blog-Posters, you OPENLY choose to rely upon false informations sources that are easily proven to be INACCURATE.

Now let's get down to specifics . . .

Explain to all of us PRECISELY how our duly-elected President had one (1) single iota of input regarding who drilled where on Gulf of Mexico Oil Leases that have been in place since LONG BEFORE Obama was elected President. Do you have any notion whatsoever how long it takes to perform pre-drill leasing, engineering, permitting, etc., etc. BEFORE the first stick of drill pipe is hoisted into place?? Obviously not - but what does that have to do with REALITY?? It's so much easier for you fact-free GOOBERS to just make up imaginary CRAP out of thin air that suits your need to denigrate our duly-elected Commander-In-Chief!!

Like all other Right-wing Extremists, you make repeated attempts to paint Obama with anything and everything (a/k/a scraping the bottom of the barrel) that is NEGATIVE (whether or not there's absolutely no relationship whatsoever between Obama and the fact-free "Cause de jour"). Then you GOOBERS absolutely refuse to acknowledge all of the REMARKABLE STRIDES his Administrations made toward cleaning up the Conservative-uber-alles PILE OF CRAP he inherited from Bush/Cheney.

Until you grow a pair and learn to COPE WITH REALITY like a REAL MAN, any attempt to use logic and reason is a waste of our time.

Have you gone off your meds again??

Anonymous said...

Wow you people really need to get over your fear of our government trying to help us. Times change over each decade and the government has done everything it can to help our country stay strong. Just try to remember what life was like before courts, laws, SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, UNEMPLOYMENT, FREEDOM FOR EVERY RACE and GENDER. There have been mistakes along the way (we are not perfect). I am neither die hard conservatire not die hard liberal either. If you hate our country and it's government so much, my suggestion is to get out!! Go try and live in another country and you will see just how much you have in this one.

Anonymous said...

Wow some of you really need to get over your fear of our government trying to help us. Times change over each decade and the government has done everything it can to help our country stay strong. Please stop comparing our government to the Nazis', Carl Marx, Sadam Hussein, etc. There have been mistakes along the way (we are not perfect). Have you forgotten about SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, UNEMPLOYMENT, CIVIL RIGHTS for ALL RACES AND GENDERS (the list could go on. I am neither diehard conservative not diehard liberal either. If you hate our country and it's government so much, my suggestion to you is to get out! Go try and live in another country and you will see just how much you have in this one.

Unknown said...

I get a kick out of reading all the posts made by all you "righties" You are easily manipulated. Watch this again the most important things said come between 8 minutes and 28 seconds and 8 minutes and 46 seconds.. Sounds familiar? Like the Wacko Right, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, the tea baggers and the religious Right. Watch it again.. AND who's trying to take your freedoms??????????

Joe said...

You people talk about goverment take over, where were you while the George W. Bushes and the Big corporate C.E.O.'s were raping the John Q. Publics of this country and sending our young people off to get killed. How many of you benefited from the last eight years of the republicans rape off. They are sitting in their big houses and laughing at all of you and using their hugh bonuses to light their cuban cigars. This country is too strong with John Q. Publics to allow any type of Goverment take over but we are all at the mercy of big business.

docboyer said...

To Joe: I don't know exactly you have against big business they don't raise your taxes. If you've lost a job, I feel for you. The whole world is in a recession except maybe China and many think they are "cooking their books". Most countries are in trouble because of over spending. I think the "bailouts" were a mistake and were loaded with pork. They certainly have not created many jobs---and we've been lied to about that. Jobs were created in Congressional districts that don't exist.

docboyer said...

I have never said Bush was a great President, but after his response to 911 I felt safer than I feel now. Hussien was a major threat to
to stability in the middle east. Even both Clintons thougt he had WMD. And he did----he killed 400,000 Kurds with nerve gas. I believe Obama has weakened our defense system trying to prove we are "nice guys". Sanctions against Iran are useless---their leader is insane.

docboyer said...

Back to the bailouts, AIG was among the first to be helped. AIG
insures the Congressional pension fund---is that a coincidence? Barney Frank raised hell about their execs getting big bonuses, but never said a word when his "boyfriend" got $1,000,000 upon leaving the failing Fannie Mae.I guess it matters whose ox is getting gored! My motto is "Trust a politician and kiss your ass goodbye" We elect them and the first thing they worry about is getting re-elected. ACORN did well also---$80,000,000,000 in that bailout---did youever wonder why?
They helped elect the Messiah !!!

docboyer said...

Now as I said after my comments yesterday----DON'T bother spewing your liberal venom on me. I wll never become a liberal. I don't want to live in the Socialized States of Meximerica.

docboyer said...

Thomas Jefferson said "Any thing the government can give you, they can also take away". Many of you would love to see Limbaugh, Beck, and Garrison taken off TV. But you MUST remember that if the government can take away their freedom of speech it can CERTAINLY do the same to YOU and other media
e.g. newspapers and talk radio.

docboyer said...

I need ti correct an error---ACORN
got only $5,200,000,000 in the first bailout, I apologize for the mistake.

Unknown said...

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government,

ray said...

Obama is leading this country down a road that will end in disaster. He believes that government is the end all, be all for every situation. In the end you will have lost your freedom, prosperity and indivudualism. He's just like the schyster in the cartoon; a smooth taking liar.

BenDereDunDat said...

Doc-housefly, Ol' Buddy -

Your Posts are certainly LIVING PROOF that you Right-wing Whackos are living in a fact-free "parallel universe", a/k/a "La-La-Land"!!

Where do you come up with such outrageous NON-SENSICAL CRAP that ACORN received $80 Billion in the first (Bush/Paulson) bailout - then to correct yourself that they "only" received $5.2 Billion?

I am guessing that you read these sorts of IDIOTIC FAIRY TALES in some other Conservative Blogs and/or that Benedict Beck spewed this garbage on one of his "entertainment" sessions (between sobs and/or barks), and then without performing any fact-checks, you turned around and "parroted" this self-serving, bigoted Conservative-uber-alles CRAP herein.

I challenge you to provide a VERIFIABLE information source that ACORN received $5.2 Billion from ANY source, much less from Bailout monies, as you so freely assert.

I'll make you a deal Ol' Buddy: if you can provide us with a VERIFIABLE information source that confirms your ACORN allegations, I'll immediately be won over to your Conservative-uber-alles way of thinking and you'll never hear from me again!! On the flip side of that coin, if you cannot provide me with such verifiable source, from this point forward, you SHALL fact-check and provide URL's for ANY and ALL "factoids" you Post in the future.

If you have a pair, you'll MAN UP and accept my challenge!! If you FAIL to accept my challenge, then you're just one more example of the living PROOF that the disciples of Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, et al. are full of sh*t and bother people - just like every other COMMON HOUSEFLY.

xoxoxox
BDDD

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere DUN Dat: How about I send you a copy of "The Manchurian President"---the new number one best seller available at Amazon.
At least I corrected myself. I don't remember you ever correcting yourself. You are so wrong about BP and the oil leak that it is almost laughable.

docboyer said...

To Ray: Well said. It is great to have found another person who can see the path to Socialism that Obama has America taking. The liberals would have us to believe the recession is over or about over. That is pure BS. Our mint is printing money faster than ever---the dollar is becoming worthless. This scenario goes recession, inflation, depression. The coming depression will make the 1930's depression look like a picnic.

BenDereDunDat said...

Doc-housefly -

Correcting one horrendous pile of CRAP with a smaller pile of CRAP doesn't make your foolish CRAP any less CRAPPY!!

In order for you to convince me you're not full of sh*t, you'll have to give me some VERIFIABLE information sources there Sunshine!! "Parroting" your regurgitated Right-wing Extremists' CRAP from unverified Right-wing Extremist sources merely proves my point!!

You Right-wing Whackos are sooo verrry entertaining!!

Keep it coming!!!

xoxoxoxo
BDDD

southpaw said...

First let's correct the verse you quoted from Exodus. The REAL verse says," Thou shalt not revile GOD, nor curse the ruler of thy people.IT doesn't say THE GODS!!!AS THERE is no such thing! - ONLY IN THE DEMENTED MINDS OF LIBERALS !!!
This fits right in with the rest of the crap I'm reading. This is America. We the People have sat on their gluteous maximuses TOO LONG !!! The problem with our country is YOU !!!!! Every one of you has a different idea of how something should be. No wonder our politicians are corrupt as hell as they can't get one consistant answer from anyone! But Facts are Facts!!!
This is America - When it was started, it was started basically by Englishmen!!! It was not started by Muslims - Chinese - or any other race. It was Englishmen! - Yes there were French settlements,ie Louisana and Spanish to the south, but the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was started by ENGLISHMEN in basically NEW ENGLAND !!! some Jamestown, and other settlements.
NEXT!!!! the men that started this country believed in GOD !!! not THE GODS but THE GOD !!!! OOOPS it just happens to be the same GOD as the JEWS!!! HMMM ! Not Alah - Not Budda - NOT ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN GOD !!! Do you think you can at least get this is to stick in your pea brains?
NEXT - THE MEN THAT STARTED THIS COUNTRY WROTE THE CONSTITUTION !!! Sorta rules to live and let live by. HMMMM ! THEY did not write the constitution for our elected officials to play with - IF any change is made to this great constitution it should be by majority vote of WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!
NEXT !!! OUR constitution gives me the right to KEEP & BEAR ARMS!!!! This means GUNS !!! GET THIS IN YOUR SLIMY LIBERAL HEAD !!! I NEED THESE GUNS TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM YOU!!!!! LIBERAL PIECE OF CRAP !!!You are NOT ENTITLED to ANYTHING !!! If I could get enough people with the guts of the Americans from the 1940's I would show you what you are entitled to !!!!
If WE the People keep thinking that they don't want to vote for either the Republican nor Democratic party then you better think again ! If many of you decide to vote liberal instead of Republican, then the only thing you will accomplish is to fragment the vote so badly as to put the DEMOCOMMIES right back in majority power. Use your heads if you have one - Stick to electing CONSERVATIVE RUPUBLICANS - MAINLY because you will then have the MAJORITY vote with which to REVERSE THIS COMMUNIST CRAP that these LUNATICS have passed for the past year. The Republicans already have alot of Congress already seated. JUST REPLACE SEATED DEMOCOMMIES WITH REPUBLICANS - Then once we have AMERICAN men in office that have a normal thinking American brain, we put pressure on them to install NEW RULES FOR THEM -THESE NEW RULES WILL BE PERMANENT AND NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE !!!If you even have a pea brained idea to think these people are doing a great job then your dumber than a bag of nails!!!
Give up my freedom? Have you been drugged?? No American Gives UP their freedom! If you feel you should for any liberal reason - DO us all a favor and get the HELL OUT of this great country!! You shame the memory of our wounded and dead soldiers who were determined freedom WOULD NOT perish!

docboyer said...

For all who have bank accounts. I guess you know that FDIC insures bank accounts up to $250,000. Well, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that FDIC has $18.9 billion for these accounts. The bad news is that the total for all accounts is $4.4 trillion. Does that sound like somebody may come up short.

docboyer said...

Interesting data on European and Asian countries as to their national debt as a % of their GDP
Russia=6.8%, USA=96.5%, Hungary=121.9%, Italy=147.4%,Greece=170.5%,
Germany=182.5%, Spain=186.1%, Norway=202.6%, Finland=220.2%, Hong
Kong=223.1%,Portugal=235.9%, France=248%, Sweden=264.3%, Belgium=328.7%,United Kingdom=425.9%, Ireland=1,312%. Any % above 95% is considered toxic. Can we blame BushII for all of these countries over spending---all of them except the USA are socialist states. Greece's fate is that of many more to come. Who will be next?

docboyer said...

There really something Obama does
well besides LIE. He is quite good at reading his teleprompters. He has made fun of Arizona's new illegal immigrant law. I suspect he has never read it---or if he did
read he sure as hell didn't understand it. Several other states are writing a similar law and most will enact a similar law.
Obama wants amnesty and citizenship for the illegals. I believe thatwould be the only chance he has of being re-elected.

docboyer said...

To Southpaw: Thank you----I've found another person who head is not in the sand and whose brain still works.

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere DUN DAT.
I'm a horrible typist. The correct url for the musical video I'd like for you to watch is:
www.youtube.com/watch_v=x2G3wGVAnlQ

But since it was me that suggested it you probably won't do it.

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere Dun Dat. I have 2 sources for the money ACORN got in the first stimulus. And I trust both of them. www.bing.com and the
Human Events news paper at the time of the stimulus.
Ben you have a liberal mind which is like a steel bear trap. Unfortunately it is CLOSED all of the time. Were your parents socialists. Or were they conservatives that you're rebelling against. It must be one or the other.

BenDereDunDat said...

Doc-housefly -

For entertainment value, I tried to open the musical video you suggested and got the message:

"We're sorry, the page you requested cannot be found"

Also, you've summarily failed to provide SPECIFIC information re: ACORN receiving BILLIONS of dollars of Bailout Monies. Until you provide us with a functional LINK to verifiable information Website, I guess you'll remain NAKED in your exposure as a LIER and a FACT-FREE FRAUD.

Try again . . .

Southpaw -

Go straight to the nearest ANGER MANAGEMENT CLINIC; Do not pass GO; Do not collect $200.

Just like BOTH you and President Obama, I ALSO believe that any SANE individual shall ALWAYS be afforded the Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms!!! However, in your case, the question of SANITY should be determined by a Licensed Professional before you go one step further. Wow!!! You sound like you're getting ready to blow a "Brain Gasket".

Southpaw Ol' Buddy - Presuming no family members, friends, co-workers, Minister, or any one else has informed you, please allow me to be the first. YOU NEED HELP!!! Do yourself and any innocent bystanders that may become collateral damage when, (not if, but when) you "go off") and ask your closest friend or mate to take you to the nearest facility offering psychological evaluation!!!

DON'T PUT IT OFF. GET HELP TODAY!!!

BenDereDunDat said...

Doc-housefly Ol' Buddy -

I've received and thank you for your observations re:

"Interesting data on European and Asian countries as to their national debt as a % of their GDP
Russia=6.8%, USA=96.5% . . . ."

Am I the only one who finds it to be a "wee bit curious" that Russia (the "Keystone" republic in the former Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics" is being touted by you as being comparatively superior (14.19 times better) to the USA in terms of their national debt in relationship to their Gross Domestic Product???

What are you - a FLAMING COMMIE????

xoxoxoxo
BDDD

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere Dun Dat: I'm probably the farthest thing from a socialist or communist that a person could be. I suppose their low national debt to GDP is most likely due to SLAVE labor, selling oil to China, and the low incomes from the government to teachers, doctors, and nurses etc. Frankly their figures greatly surprized me.

Unknown said...

Suothpaw:
talk about peabrains! Alah is Aribic for GOD.. It's the same GOG.
The same nonexistant GOD you believe in.
Kenny

Unknown said...

I love reading all this stuff. All I know is this. For 30 years I voted republican. This time I voted for Obama and change. Conservatives yell there is no change. Bull! At least we have a president that gets up and goes to work every day. He has pursued each and every goal with vigor. Conservatives see a black man and that rubs their pregidous biased asses wrong. No matter how hard this man tries conservatives put up road blocks. I'm a veteran fought in a war long time gone and not to popular. I supported each and every president including GWB. I now support Obama. For those of you worried about your gun rights. Join the NRA and donate when you can. Let them fight for your rights while you support the president. When elections come around vote for who you feel is right for the country. If that person wins then support your elected leader. Disagree and fight what you don't like. That is the American right. But to slam and insult our elected leaders because you don't like the color of their skin or religious beliefs is on American Bull sh-t. I believe in a higher power. That higher power, God if you will has no business in our politics. Religion has f--ked up this country more then anything else.
Joemama Your great. Keep putting these Beck, Limbau decipals right where they belong. On the defensive!! Windwalker!

BenDereDunDat said...

Steve -

You sound like an well-reasoned and experienced man with a good dose of common sense!!

Organic Diabetic said...

Politics aside, right now, we are suffering from chemical polution, chemical drugs and food. To be healthy enough to take on the govt., we need to get rid of the big companies like the oil, pharmicutical and Monsanto who helps chemicals get into our food. If we all become healthier, we can take on the Federal Reserve Bank which controls both Democrats and Republicans.

Unknown said...

What really bothers me....not the cartoon, not the political or religious bickering, but the sheer, unadulterated HATRED shown in this thread. American people HATING other American people (or any people for that matter) based on nothing more than personal differences! The way half the folks on this thread are adressing one another is simply appaling!
How DARE you turn one against another after watching this!?! Are you all totally missing the point?
A nation divided is at it's weakest. Religion, sexual preference, race...none of these are adequate reasons to HATE another human being! You should be ashamed of yourselves!!!
We should learn to forget our differences and stand together as a nation, a people and a world. Not pick one another apart like high school children.
Shocking behaviour for supposed adults.

Unknown said...

Organic...you are awesome. Just sayin.

docboyer said...

To Ben Dere Dun Dat: The address for the musical video is:
"www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=x2G3wGVAnlQ"-----that's l as in lucy just before the Q.
By the way one who lies is called a LIAR not LIER----but I'm a bad typist too.

docboyer said...

Obama has by "stimulus" and the GM
bankruptcy, given millions of dollars to the labor unions. He has increased the number of federal employees and most federal employees have had pay raises. He
has appointed 40+ czars at a cost of several million dollars. Now
he wants to cut the pay of those in our armed forces, I suppose that will include those at high risk in Afghanistan. It also angers me that the Sect. of Defense
is willing to let that happen.
At one point Obama wanted our GI's to carry insurance to pay for their injuries. He felt that since they are all volunteers, they should be willing to do that.
Has Obama no feeling of loyalty to those he has put in harm's way.
Shame on Obama and the Sect. of Defense

motorpoodle said...

docboyer - I can understand now why you shy away from specifics. Every time you make a specific claim someone proves you wrong. That must make it hard to live in your fantasy world.

You said "He has made fun of Arizona's new illegal immigrant law. I suspect he has never read it---or if he did
read he sure as hell didn't understand it."


You have nothing to indicate he didn't read or understand it. You made that up.

It is a fascist law that would require any person of Arizona to prove their legal status or face detainment. Even in cases where they have committed no offense. This anti-freedom fascist law is bad. I suspect you didn't understand it though.

"Obama wants amnesty and citizenship for the illegals."

Both Bush and Obama's immigration plans have had a road to legal status for illegals. This is nothing new.

"He has increased the number of federal employees and most federal employees have had pay raises. He
has appointed 40+ czars at a cost of several million dollars."


Obama cut pay raises.

Obama cut down the number of Czars from what the Bush administration had.

"Russia=6.8%, USA=96.5%, Hungary=121.9%, Italy=147.4%,Greece=170.5%,
Germany=182.5%, Spain=186.1%, Norway=202.6%, Finland=220.2%, Hong
Kong=223.1%,Portugal=235.9%, France=248%, Sweden=264.3%, Belgium=328.7%,United Kingdom=425.9%, Ireland=1,312%. Any % above 95% is considered toxic. Can we blame BushII for all of these countries over spending---all of them except the USA are socialist states."


Actually almost none of those are socialist states. Here is an actual list of socialist states.

Most of the countries you listed have a mix of capitalist and socialized institutions just as the US has had since the beginning.

Also the world economic crisis isn't due to "overspending".

motorpoodle said...

@southpaw - You ranted "This is America - When it was started, it was started basically by Englishmen!!! It was not started by Muslims - Chinese - or any other race. It was Englishmen! - Yes there were French settlements,ie Louisana and Spanish to the south, but the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was started by ENGLISHMEN in basically NEW ENGLAND !!! some Jamestown, and other settlements.
NEXT!!!! the men that started this country believed in GOD !!! not THE GODS but THE GOD !!!! OOOPS it just happens to be the same GOD as the JEWS!!! HMMM ! Not Alah - Not Budda - NOT ANYONE ELSE OTHER THAN GOD !!! Do you think you can at least get this is to stick in your pea brains?"


I'm not sure what you were trying to say here? Are you suggesting America should only be for people of English ancestry that worship the way you want? Many of the founders weren't religious at all and America was here before they got here. Remember Indians?

"IF any change is made to this great constitution it should be by majority vote of WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!"

Cool, I'm not sure why you typed that though as I'm not aware of any legislation trying to change it.

"KEEP & BEAR ARMS!!!! This means GUNS !!! GET THIS IN YOUR SLIMY LIBERAL HEAD !!! I NEED THESE GUNS TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM YOU!!!!! LIBERAL PIECE OF CRAP !!!"

I don't know why you think it means guns when it says "arms". Couldn't it mean rocket launchers and grenades too. But I too need my guns to protect me from conservative pieces of crap.

"Use your heads if you have one - Stick to electing CONSERVATIVE RUPUBLICANS"

If you have a head you would vote for Liberal Democrats instead Repubofascists.

"Give up my freedom? Have you been drugged?? No American Gives UP their freedom!"

I'm with you there. Conservatives are always trying to get rid of your freedom with things like the Patriot Act and the AZ immigration law. We need to fight against these bastards!

BenDereDunDat said...

Doc -

Good eye!!! You got me!!! You are exactly correct re: the proper spelling of "LIAR".

To your credit, you accurately interpreted my intended query, but once again, have failed to provide an internet link to any website that confirms your outrageous claim that ACORN was the recipient of $5.2 Billion from the Bailout monies. I renew my request - either provide a link proving your claim, or from here forward, please agree to refrain from "parroting" absolutely FALSE Conservative CRAP you're being spoon-fed by Murdoch, Beck, Limbaugh et al.

This time I was able to link to the song you wanted me to hear & I listened all the way through. The lady singing has a good voice, (but not much to look at). The basic messages I got were:
#1 "We're Conservative";
#2. We're "taking back our country"; and
#3. "If you're not Conservative, let us help you pack."

Did I miss anything else you are advocating via this song??

My perception of the lyrics reinforce exactly what I (and others) herein have observed re: the Conservative message:
#1. If you're not a Conservative, you're a despicable Liberal/Commie/Fascist (black or white and no in-betweens);
#2. The Conservative messages consist of generalities, catchy slogans, vaguaries and is void of any specific Plans of Action;
#3. If you don't strictly "lock-step" adhere to the vague and non-descript Conservative message, (whatever it is), you don't belong in America.

Again, did I miss anything else you are advocating via this song??

This woman, and other opportunists like her are obvious and shameless Limbaugh-wannabes trying to make quick/easy money by exploiting the insecurities of EASILY-LED SHEEPLE.

The Wannabes' mentor, Rush Limbaugh, is literally making Millions of dollars by exploiting the REACTIONARY FEARS of a GULLIBLE (and thank goodness, minor) SECTOR of our population, who are looking for an outlet for their DISPLACED ANGER. They just haven't figured out that the "POINT OF ORIGIN" of their ANGER is NOT the "calm and competent" duly-elected current President (who is making incredible strides in cleaning up the very large PILE of CRAP heaped on our collective heads by the Bush/Cheney Reign of Terror).

STOP - TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND CONTEMPLATE:
Baby Boy Bush (who was not duly-elected, but instead won in 2000 by a 5 to 4 vote of his Daddy's Supreme Court appointees) and his ABSOLUTELY EVIL and CORRUPT President of VICE, Dick Cheney pulled off the largest "re-distribution of wealth" in our Beloved Nation's history by DECIMATING the bank accounts, savings and retirement portfolios of the late-but-great American Middle Class and in the process of exterminating the health and vitality of our Middle Class, funneled the hard-earned money of the masses into the bulging coffers of their "Power Elite Cronies" in the military/industrial complex and petroleum industries. These two SUPER-VILLANS and their ilk are the true POINT OF ORIGIN of the current National Economic Nightmare that our duly-elected Commander-In-Chief is attempting to mitigate.

Limbaugh, et al. are doing a thoroughly deceptive job of DEFLECTING the BONA-FIDE COLLECTIVE ANGER that actually emanates from the middle-class-destroying acts of Bush/Cheney and RE-DIRECTING THAT ANGER toward President Obama, his staff and their efforts to heal our Beloved Nation.

From your Blog name, I deduce you are a retired doctor. If so, you of all people should realize that mis-diagnosed maladies are seldom healed by treating the wrong "Point of Origin" of the malady. Objective, imperically-derived and ACCURATE diagnosis of "how the patient got in this condition" are vital to restore the patient to health.

One simple question:

WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG???

Shelby said...

1Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.2Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment... (ESV)

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